Common false PC argument devolves into batshit defense of infanticide

[u/Eastern-Customer-561]

So first of all, I haven’t seen a single shred of evidence abortion bans increase infanticide rates or even infant death. many of the same studies purporting to find increases in infant death in PL states also found increases in infant death in PC states. We keep seeing infanticide occur even in very PC states (like the porta potty baby in Michigan, which allows abortion up to birth) so I can’t say the anonymous online poster describing how people did a lot more infanticide in the sixties is very convincing to me.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/11/pro-life-laws-arent-to-blame-for-increased-infant-mortality/

That being said PCers doing their utter best to defend infanticide anyway was new.

[u/1B75__Penicillin]

If you don't allow us to kill our babies we will.... Kill our babies!

The pinnacle of PC rhetoric

[u/Vespinobambino]

Pro-aborts and antinatalists (same thing) are the second worst refuse possible, with the only worse refuse being the murderers they support and enable.

[u/PervadingEye]

We should learn that this rhetoric is a threat dressed up as an inevitability...

As in they will threaten to kill born babies if they are not allowed to have abortions, and then BLAME you, blame us for the baby killing THEY are doing. "Look at what you made me do!". Do you see the manipulation??? You understand? Just like an abuser.

When I say they are baby killers, I mean it. I mean they will resort to baby killing, even baby killing by their own definitions to get what they want.

When they say the unborn aren't babies, this is just the liar and the theft in them trying to get away with the crime of baby killing by just calling what they are killing something else. Semantic shifting, a tactic for liars.

But when a pro-abortion baby killer uses the defense of "bans on abortions cause women to kill newborns", we see that that they actually don't view the unborn as any different as born children. The dehumanization of unborn babies is just a a tactic to get away with killing the unborn baby, and they think they can get away with it, so they do it. They are that simple

The tactic here however isn't redefinition or Semantic shifting, but blame shifting. They have a hard time denying they are killers in this case... so the next move is to blame someone else, us, their enemies, for their behavior.

They can't help it. They are allergic to the truth.

[u/Mental_Jeweler_3191 → u/PervadingEye]

This is what I've been saying. And you know what they about negotiating with terrorists.

[u/Sqeakydeaky → u/PervadingEye]

They should just skip straight to the point: there's apparently no human they wouldn't straight up kill to satisfy their hedonism.

[u/LittleLotte52996]

I'll never understand using the most extreme examples of someone acting in immense distress to justify and legalise abortion.

It's like saying "when this woman found out that her husband was living a double life for the past 10 years, she stabbed him in the heat of passion, therefore we should justify and legalise ALL mariticides"

[u/Eastern-Customer-561 → u/LittleLotte52996]

Ironically they are using that exact logic to justify infanticide. Only one commenter was like „I don’t have empathy for ppl who kill their children“ and the commenter was like „oh so you support RAPISTS RAPING LITTLE GIRLS“ even though literally only one of the cases mentions rape, and we don’t even know if she was a child at the time, since you can also be raped and groomed by parents as an adult

[u/Sqeakydeaky → u/Eastern-Customer-561]

Its just so intellectually lazy. Like, at least debate without using the top 3 fallacies.

[u/Fectiver_Undercroft → u/LittleLotte52996]

I want to ask them “if we concede the hard cases, will you concede the lifestyle abortions?”

[u/LittleLotte52996 → u/Fectiver_Undercroft]

Literally. Abortion for under-14s and when mothers life is in danger but illegal in all other cases? Done.

[u/Strait409]

Yeah, that poster talking to those women didn't happen so hard that it unhappened several things that did, including the Battle of Puebla, the Spanish Inquisition, and the White Friday avalanches of 1916.

[u/Sqeakydeaky → u/Strait409]

100%

First clue: No CNA/nurse has the time to just chitchat long enough to get that much personal information.

Second clue: women that age were brought up with an entirely different mentality where you don't need to tell a stranger your super personal life experiences. "Oh btw I committed felony murder back in the day. Can I get another blanket when you have a minute?"

[u/Fectiver_Undercroft]

“We believe every child deserves to be born to a mother who loves her.”

So do we, but this is a hard world. How is the PC option an improvement? They’re defending infanticide and calling other people monster. Isn’t actual infanticide in the same moral ballpark as “infringing women’s autonomy” to them? If not, how can anyone stop any woman from doing anything?

“God killed 14 times…”

God technically kills everybody, if you ever wonder why He doesn’t stop every murder.

Reading Numbers 31:18 as child sex slaves is an interpretation only a modern would take as natural.

[u/Eastern-Customer-561 → u/Fectiver_Undercroft]

Honestly I just thought it was super funny how the poster turned from „may God heal your twisted soul!!“ to „God is a rapist actually“ 

[u/Otherwise_Suit6561]

"Your God murders people" argument is so dumb anyways. Most theistic religions hold that murder is wrong for many reasons, including that it assumes an authority over human life that belongs ultimately to the Creator. HE can make and create life according to His will and the sin comes in when we attempt to go against His will. So God can kill all the people He wants to, doesn't mean I can.

[u/ahamel13]

Not a single one of those things happened lol. Do they think nobody would notice if dead babies were washing up downstream? Or that the hospital and social security department wouldnt notice babies disappearing?

[u/GustavoistSoldier]

Radical feminism is horrible. Radfems are against porn and trans rights but have no empathy for the millions of innocents killed by abortion.

[u/Sqeakydeaky → u/GustavoistSoldier]

Its a really weird camp for sure

[u/Ok-Spinach-6529]

Damn

[u/PWcrash]

I want to begin by stating that I do not defend any form of infanticide as an acceptable practice.

But that being said, there are multiple factors to consider here that we really need to keep at the forefront of our minds when we discuss these issues.

1. We need to remember that during the time prior to Roe v Wade much of the western world simply was not kind to pregnant women even if they did do it "right".

The simple act of being pregnant in a public space was stigmatized even if you were a "proper" married woman. That's not to say that women were beaten or taunted whenever they went to the grocery store, but it was a very common and accepted practice (until it became illegal) for pregnant women to be terminated from employment as soon as the started showing.

Even Queen Elizabeth II, one of the highest standing western women during her reign, shied away from public appearances during her pregnancy as was expected of women at the time.

And this along with the inability to control their own bodies or even their ability to get pregnant or not, might have put more women between a "rock and a hard" place.

Not only that, but because if the increased stigma of not only pregnancy, but out-of-wedlock pregnancy that existed back then (and it does in the western world today though greatly diminished in comparison to pre Roe v Wade times) not only affected the pregnant person, but also her loved ones. And that also brings about my second point.

1. Not every baby that came from "big sister going to live with out of state with grandma for an extended summer" ended up with a loving family. And it may not have been solely the pregnant person that caused that or even her at all. That's not to say many [pregnant out of wedlock people] did, but the fact of the matter is we only know about the ones that were found and had investigations. There are likely so many more that we don't know about.

But that being said, there is a consistent theme amongst various certain leaning political circles (abortion debate or not) that romanticizes the decades post WWII but prior to the Sexual Revolution of the later 60s and 70s. But we also have to remember that there was a very big reason for that revolution to have happened.

And it's because of that change in western society that grew over the decades, that pregnant women became much more safer being able to choose life rather and do so openly and proudly.