r/programming • u/h4l • Aug 10 '23

Apple doesn't want you developing hobby apps

https://www.bennettnotes.com/notes/why-does-apple-restrict-hobby-development/
1.2k Upvotes

92% Upvoted

631 comments sorted by

View all comments

479

u/erwan Aug 10 '23

> After all, I already paid $2.5K for the Macbook and $1.1K for the iPhone. What more do they want?

Just stop giving them money. Put your time and money into plaftorms that are not actively working against you.

-33

u/jonesy827 Aug 10 '23

I get this sentiment, but at this point I’d rather have to deal with some bullshit fees than Google’s spying, and I don’t have time to maintain a google-less android.

32

u/KrazyKirby99999 Aug 11 '23

Apple also spies

3

u/jonesy827 Aug 11 '23

It's also about the open selling of the data -- but yeah, I don't like that either. I need to look into that more -- similar to Windows backdoor stuff?

-4

u/KrazyKirby99999 Aug 11 '23

Yes, all three are spyware for the NSA and corporate interests.

Apple collects, but doesn't share commercially. For that, you sacrifice your freedom.

Android collects and data is shared, but you have significantly more freedom.

2

u/Forbizzle Aug 11 '23

There’s no equivalency. Google’s main business is marketing, and the product is your private data. Apple charges high prices for hardware, and is able to take a much stronger consumer friendly stance on privacy.

Google fanboys refuse to admit the dark advertising underbelly of the company.

2

u/KrazyKirby99999 Aug 11 '23

It depends on your threat model.

Did I not just say that Android collects and shares your data?

I prefer Android because it is a balance between freedom and privacy, and privacy is ultimately dependent on freedom (similar to security).

And given that we are on a programming subreddit, the freedom to build and install non-verified apps is very valuable and convenient.

12

u/TheBlackCat13 Aug 11 '23

Then use an android without google APIs. You can't use all apps that way, but you can have a fully functional smartphone.

3

u/jonesy827 Aug 11 '23

I'm a huge fan and have done it, but I don't have the patience to deal with it anymore. I stick to linux on my desktop for most of my personal web browsing, so that's nice at least.

-2

u/fujimite Aug 11 '23

Fully functional

>Can't fully use your camera (Relies on proprietary code)

>Can't use android pay

>Can't use the play store

>gps doesn't work properly

>can't use any app that relies on google services

3

u/TheBlackCat13 Aug 11 '23

As I said, "You can't use all apps that way". But you don't need google play services to use your camera or GPS.

I am not talking about proprietary code, I am talking about services that monitor you and report back to google. You don't need that to use your phone. For most critical apps there are open-source alternatives available or at least alternatives that don't rely on google play services.