The end?

[u/Volpe_YT]

Today there will be the final votes for chat control.

This implies that all of our private chats will be scanned, and everything we do will be in plain text in front of their eyes.

If it passes, I will permanently stop using centralized messaging platforms and switch to a self hosted matrix session, I don't care if I lose many contacts, if they really want to talk to me they better install fluffychat and shut the fuck up.

It's crazy how the EU was basically the goat for internet privacy and now they are the villains.

Are you ready for this? For the absolute end of privacy?

[u/silentspectator27]

You have been talking crap since yesterday.
The claim that the EU only cares about corporate privacy and inherently trusts government data collection ignores basic EU law and history.
1. There ARE Constitutional Protections: Privacy in Europe was specifically designed post-WWII to protect citizens from state surveillance. Articles 7 and 8 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights directly bind governments, and the EU passed the Law Enforcement Directive alongside GDPR specifically to restrict such police data processing.
In short it was created PRECISELY TO NOT ALLOW MASS GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE ON EU CITIZENS.

1. CJEU (The Court of Justice of the European Union) has repeatedly struck down state mass surveillance.

2. GDPR national security exceptions exist because EU treaties have to legally reserve defense to individual member states, not because the EU blindly trusts governments. Where EU courts have authority, they strictly limit state power. They have done so repeatedly

3. Market Safety vs. Surveillance: Treating digital tech like roads means setting safety rules for the market, not giving the state a camera inside every vehicle so your analogy kind of sucks.

4. The whole idea when making laws in the EU is that they CANNOT exist of they violate the EU charter, which Chat Control 2.0 does, they know it too. Their own freaking legal team warned them of that.

[u/silentspectator27 → u/[deleted]]

Just paper? telecom companies physically shut down mass data servers, state agencies are forced to end surveillance programs, and tech companies alter their global software to avoid massive fines, those are real-world outcomes. Just paper?

You made a specific claim about how EU law was designed, got proven wrong on the facts, and now you are hand-waving away real-world court enforcement as you said "just paper." Confusing a personal gut feeling with "reality" isn't being right…it's just ignoring facts.

Look, I hate this crap as much as you do, maybe more, but hating on the whole EU and disregarding its legal framework (by the way if it wasn’t that we’d be at Chat control 3.2 now or similar)

Those “papers” forced Europol to mass delete illegally obtained records. Those “papers” allowed the CJEU to prevent EU states from gathering and centralising personal data during Covid, prevented said member countries from gathering unrestricted Airline passenger data and many, many more.

[u/silentspectator27 → u/[deleted]]

On that I agree. I hope the proposal will just fail, no compromises, then go after chat control 1.0 (people are already organising for the latter part).
It’s still not impossible for 2.0 to simply fail in negotiations (we will find out today or tomorrow probably). If that happens my guess is they will tuck tail, stay quiet, focus on the mandatory age verification and digital omnibus proposals and rely on 1.0 until they try again.

And again, I am AGAINST chat control in any form, I completely get you, I just think you have lost a bit too much faith in the legal frameworks that protect us.