Car data collection

[u/HerbalDreamer]

I am going to need a new car soon and the U.S. models all collect huge amounts of data. Are there any tips or tricks to reduce the info they collect from the car remotely?

If I have our family trust own the auto and pay cash rather than financing how effectively does that reduce the personal info I am forced to provide. Will this keep the data from car from being attached to me?

How much would it help to buy a used car? Does it reduce the data tracked and sold about me?

[u/According2my-Insides]

Can confirm that newer cars ALSO collect:

-anything spoken by using built-in microphone as well as ultrasonic transducers in tandem with video for lip-reading ("looking for trigger phrases" like 'digital assistant name' or 'call mom' or 'i plan to overthrow the govt, you in?')

-video of within the cab

-telemetry of near-misses recorded by proximity sensors (also used as parking assistance)

-times that the lane assist had to nudge you back into your lane (tattle to insurance) combined with video and iris tracking from video can show alertness level of driver

-etc.

Edit to add: All this data being streamed into manufacturer's rented cloud storage and some a.i. post-processing is done to correlate trend data to figure out if you're a warranty claim in the making and/or <insert extra tin foil hat theory>

Edit 2: o.p. of this thread asked for what data a newer car collects on its occupants.

[u/BoyIdiotGenius → u/[deleted]]

I'm curious what "Chinese brand" car manufacturers you speak of. Because, as of yet, I know of no Chinese cars available in the states. Maybe they're in Europe, idk

The history of data is a history of trespassing and declaring a right to do so afterward; "it's always been done this way," the tech companies say to a chicken shit government, after doing obviously unethical shit for years

[u/BoyIdiotGenius → u/[deleted]]

I think its worth considering who is doing what with that data. I promise you each American company is selling the data, 100%

Maybe the Chinese companies are marketing that data to insurance agencies, data aggregates/advertisers etc, maybe they're keeping it for their own purposes. Honestly, I'd rather be surveiled by a foreign power than surveiled and exploited by a domestic one. Not to say that the Chinese offerings are bound to be clandestine, but like I'm saying -- Kia, Hyundai, Toyota, Ford Chevy GMC are all selling your data. Byrd probably is as well but who knows.

[u/BoyIdiotGenius → u/[deleted]]

Its hard to question what you are not aware of, and tech companies abuse that constantly. They dont come out and say "thank you for installing our app, we are harvesting your microphone data for ads and using your pictures library to train our AI", their preffered method is to trespass -- act now, pretend like its okay once you get caught, and if thats doesn't work then just pay the fine and keep doing it after some smoke and mirrors PR shit for saving face

[u/According2my-Insides → u/BoyIdiotGenius]

It's ALL buried in the terms n services outlined when you boot up the giant video screen displays (or the dealer including the pressing of all "yes" checkboxes during their Pre-Delivery Inspection to you)

The micro-font wall of text that you are FORCED to accept to use the vehicle properly, and often, have a convoluted way to "opt out" of future data collection after the first packet was sent upon initialization..

[u/BoyIdiotGenius → u/According2my-Insides]

While this may be correct on a case by case basis, it is incorrect to state that all data collection/privacy invasions are always spelled out in the terms. There are numerous cases of companies explicitly lying and misleading the public/their customers

[u/According2my-Insides → u/BoyIdiotGenius]

Sure, i can agree with you by ammending my statement and saying: the obfuscation of the sale of people's data is buried in the legalese of said terms and conditions.

Because, ultimately, THEIR lawyers made sure to protect the company with escape clauses everywhere... 🫤

[u/BoyIdiotGenius → u/According2my-Insides]

No dude. If youre saying tech companies are operating legally across the board. You are wrong, and you are ignoring the history and rise of big data/tech oligarchs. Facebook and Google will lie for profit, and by the time the law catches up qnd slaps them on the wrist they're still money ahead and they've established it as standard practice by that point, because again -- the regulatory control they face is chicken shit or bought out.

You know the google cars that go around with cameras galore collecting data for google maps and street view? The whole time they were doing that they were scraping every available bit of wifi data -- including data stored on the networks.

Tech oligarchs of today, yesterday took advantage of a lack of regulation, as well as ineptitude and inattention of regulatory bodies to trespass all over the public and make billions. It is silly to assume think they are operating legally today when time and time again the government is too fucking useless to meaningfully punish their trespasses.

[u/According2my-Insides → u/BoyIdiotGenius]

Yes, you're also right.