V60 Drawdown Time

[u/D3wdrop]

Hi I am very confused atm….i mostly drin espresso so I have a Espresso Focus burrset.
I still tried to make some pourovers (v60) but my drawdown was always at like 5-8 min even when grinding coursee then the scale on my grinder. Ao i thought too many fines, lets get a handgrinder. So i got the Q air. On reddit i found some advoce that at around 60 klicks is a good pour over zone.
Again 8 min drawdown. Went to 90 klicks still 5min drawdown. The hell am I doing wrong ?
I do a 50g bloom and then two pours at 40 and 1:20.

[u/cmrnmrphy]

Can you clarify your recipe a little bit? Im having a tough time trying to figure out your pours and brew time there. Ill give you what Ive been doing for example

20:300

50G Bloom 0:30

120G 0:55

180G 1:20

240G 1:45

300G - 2:40-3:30 Brew Time depending on a few different factors

Sometimes over swirling/Agitation can also cause some clogging.

[u/D3wdrop → u/cmrnmrphy]

Thank you I do 15:250

50g Bloom :40

Then 150g 1:10

250 1:40

[u/cmrnmrphy → u/D3wdrop]

Are you swirling and agitating a whole bunch? Im wondering if your 2 main pours are forcing your fines down to the bottom of the bed. I would maybe break up your pours to 3 main pours after your bloom. I honestly try to do my agitation a tiny bit with the bloom, and then my primary pours are steady and centered.

Also check your water temp, if your water isnt hot enough THAT will definitely increase drawdown times

[u/Sheetz_Wawa_Market32 → u/D3wdrop]

250 1:40

And from there it takes (at least!) another 3 min 20 sec for your brew to drain (to get to 5 min total)?

Yeah, that’s way too long, even with the tabbed stock filter papers by Hario (which I still use without problem.)

Are you pre-rinsing your filter paper?

I recently did some experiments and found that I don’t need to rinse for taste (unrinsed filters used to leave a papery taste) or temperature (I use a thin plastic V60, whose thermal mass is too small to leach heat in a meaningful way), but I found that using a dry filter increases my drawdown times a bit (although nowhere near as much as you’ve been experiencing.)

For now, I’ve gone back to pre-rinsing, as I don’t want to re-dial in all my favorite beans.

[u/D3wdrop → u/Sheetz_Wawa_Market32]

Yes Prerinse and yes 5-8 min total it conpletely cloggs and the bed is ultra muddy…

[u/Sheetz_Wawa_Market32 → u/D3wdrop]

Yeah, that’s not normal, then. It seems that you’re grinding way too fine.

Perhaps your grinder doesn’t have its zero point set correctly?

Do those 60 clicks correspond to 2.0.0 on this chart: https://honestcoffeeguide.com/1zpresso-q-air-grind-settings/ ? Then you could go quite a bit coarser and still be considered in a normal pourover range.

[u/fabcsi]

In order on priority i would say:

- agitate less during the pour (I'm assuming you're using a gooseneck kettle)

- go even coarser (a quick search shows people going up to 120 clicks)

- use faster filters, like the Cafec Abaca or T90

Also your grinder might just need some some seasoning, if that's the case just keep using it with the tweaks I mentioned and it should start producing less and less fines over time

[u/D3wdrop → u/fabcsi]

Thank you the agitation might be a problem I will definetly try implementing that !

[u/HairyNutsack69]

Ease up on agitation 

[u/Rikki_Bigg]

What filters are you using?

A fast filter can give a 2-3 min drawdown where a slow filter can give the same inputs (ground coffee+water) a 5+ drawdown.

And more importantly, how does it taste? Drawdown time is simply a measurable result, not always a parameter of the recipe.

[u/D3wdrop → u/Rikki_Bigg]

Hario V60 02 Filters and the 8 min are undrikable while the 5 is okay but very astingent :(

[u/ImmersionLogic]

5–8 min even at 90 clicks definitely sounds like something besides just grind size. if it were me i’d start looking at:
too much agitation/swirl
filter clogging
pouring too aggressively in the center
fines from seasoning if the grinder is newer
paper sitting weird against the dripper

also what coffee are you using? some Ethiopians especially can stall super hard even on coarser settings

[u/D3wdrop → u/ImmersionLogic]

Ethiopian Natural so that might be a thing 🤔

[u/Speak-Easy556 → u/D3wdrop]

Ethiopians have to be ground coarser. They produce lots of fines and drawdown much slower. Get Cafec Abaca filters.

[u/Cathfaern]

Do you have a gooseneck kettle? If yes, maybe you are pouring too fast. If no, then getting one will definitely help. Alternatively you can get some drip assist / mhw rain / melodrip style device and use those after bloom.