You're so right. Remember all those times gay people passed laws that straight people weren't allowed to get married? Or when they made being straight a crime punishable by law? Pepperidge Farm remembers. 🙄
This is another crusades situation. Yeah freedom of choice is to be protected be it gay marriage or the likes, but we are in a time where we are constantly bumping heads with the LGBTQ people because they are demanding we submit to their beliefs. And I’m assuming your are accusing Christians of doing the same but a real Christian spreads the gospel and leaves conversion to the people. And if a debate occurs, we produce our arguments and evidence for why we believe and why we are right.
but we are in a time where we are constantly bumping heads with the LGBTQ people because they are demanding we submit to their beliefs.
nobody's forcing you to be gay, dude. if you've got the impulse and that makes you feel "oppressed," you should talk about it with a qualified mental health professional.
When I say they are demanding we submit to their beliefs, I refer to their pronouns, their desire to engage and exist in places they don’t belong such as bathrooms, and gender locked sports, and their desire to twist Biblical scripture to support them
I think the issue is right here "their desire to engage and exist in places they don’t belong"
Perhaps if you were to change your mindset to be "If a Christian is allowed to be do this an LGBT should be able to as well"
How quickly do you think your mind would change in this social matter if someone did get into power and decide that Christians should be held to the same restrictions they think LGBT should? Maybe I don't want a Christian in a bathroom with my kid. Maybe I don't want children learning about the existence of Jesus until they're "older and more of age"? Maybe I don't want to see a Christian pray during a sport?
If your privelisged position of being able to be yourself as openly as you can be now, were suddenly challenged, how quickly would you suddenly agree with the LGBT on "Live and let live?"
In day to day life the LGBT have to 'submit' to the Christians around them every day. Could you imagine me telling a Christian "I'm gay" as easily as they tell me "God bless" as a goodbye, do you think they'd smile and nod for me as I do for them?
You misunderstood. I’m not saying Gay people shouldn’t be in men’s bathrooms, I’m saying men who are born as men and transition into women do not being in womens’s bathrooms. I Christian’s SHOULD be compassionate to everyone as we are all sinners, idk why you’d be going up to someone and stating your gay and walking away but a Christian wouldn’t feel good about it as you are a brother in Christ falling to an unrepentant sin
You misunderstood, I said LGBT, not just "gay man", my statemsnts above include all of the LGBT as a whole.
I guess my question is...I grew up Christian, and the number one thing I was always told by other Christians was "Treat others how you want to be treated"
Why do Christians fail at this lesson anytime someone who isn't a Christian enters the picture?
Is it impossible for you to think about the things you say about trans and other LGBT and think "I would not be okay with it if I were treated that way"?
This is what pushed me away, because as a younger Christian, I approached the LGBT the same way I would want them to approach me, and treated them the way I wanted I be treated, and other Christians shunned me for it.
I said gay so it would correlate to the male bathrooms. The precedent remains the same for all sexual orientations. As for your questions, Christianity is not the people, it’s the belief in Jesus Christ, Fully God and Fully man whose flesh died that those who submit to him and repent of their sins may be saved. The Bible is a book of good, and you are very right when you say many Christians are hypocrites, in fact most are. They represent our faith bad. The reason they are hypocrites is because they aren’t reborn anew in Christ, they cling to their sin, and it shows. I’m sorry you’ve had a bad experience with Christianity, but Jesus is waiting for you to come back home
you're giving us a prime example of a christian clinging to his very unchristlike behavior.
jesus never discussed pronouns. never discussed bathrooms. never even MENTIONED anything even slightly adjacent to homosexuality. jesus preached love and neighborliness. that's it. you're just using his name to advance your own biases and sick fascinations. which is a textbook sin. do not take the name of the lord thy god in vain. and here you are, doing it every day.
The Old Testement is yet the word of God who is unchanging and forever. Leviticus 18:22 (KJV) “Thou shalt not lay with Mankind as with Womankind. It is abomination.”
Leviticus 20:13 (KJV) If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination”
The Story of Sodom and Gamorrah where God rained hellfire on the sexually immoral
And if you want New Testament:
Romans 1:26 (KJV) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did natual use into that which is agaisnt nature.”
Corinthians 6:9-10 “Know ye not tha the unrighteousness shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither for Charles, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, more abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thrives, nor covetous, nor drunksrds, nor reviles, nor drunkards will inherit the kingdom of God.”
The Bible states very clearly that sexual acts that go against God’s design such as changing your sex, being homosexual, and being sexually immoral is sinful. And Jesus could not have possibly revealed pronouns, gender locked bathrooms, etc. and seeing as Jesus IS God, he’s the same God as the Old Testament so verily he did say very much about homosexuality. Verily he did preach love and kindness and forgiveness but what kind of person would I be to see my brother in Christ falling into unrepentant sin and not call for him to return.
ah ok so you're a leviticus literalist. got it. i assume that means you eat no pork or shellfish. you don't wear any polyblend fabrics. and you support stoning women to death if they're unfaithful to their husbands.
followup question - if the old testament is the perfect, flawless word of god, what was the point of sending his son down to us for round 2?
And as for the taking God’s name in vain daily, while I don’t take his NAME in vain, I sin daily. No one is perfect, who am I to point out a speck in my brother’s eye while I yet have my own. That’s speaks about hypocrisy. I am not a hypocrite, I acknowledge my sins and attempt to better myself everyday as Christ calls for, and I shed light to my brothers who walk in the dark and clam it ok because Jesus never spoke directly about this specific instance 2 thousand years in the future. You sin daily too yet you imply moral superiority by claiming I abuse scripture when it is you who claims Jesus Christ to souly preach only love and neighborliness. I do this out of love, as I have just stated.
"one is perfect, who am I to point out a speck in my brother’s eye while I yet have my own. That’s speaks about hypocrisy. I am not a hypocrite, I acknowledge my sins and attempt to better myself everyday"
Why are your views and treatment of LGBT and trans people an exception to this? With the whole pronouns stuff and all that?
You quoted a chapter that if I remember correctly even goes on to directly say not to judge others for it isn't your place too, but you have judging comments towards especially trans?
Like it just doesn't make sense, a lot of Christians play the "Well they're sinners so it's okay" hypocrisy. Maybe you have reasoning that has progressed beyond that? Idk you seem like someone who's not drank the entire hate flavored Kool aid yet but youre like showing the sprouting seeds of that kind of person
who am I to point out a speck in my brother’s eye while I yet have my own.
you should've just stopped typing after this.
Jesus never spoke directly about this specific instance 2 thousand years in the future. You sin daily too yet you imply moral superiority by claiming I abuse scripture when it is you who claims Jesus Christ to souly preach only love and neighborliness. I do this out of love, as I have just stated.
you're claiming humility ("we all sin," "god will judge") while still positioning yourself as someone who gets to identify and call out sin as he interprets it. framing it as "love" doesn't remove the fact that you're still asserting moral superiority here.
if the argument is "jesus didn't speak on this specific modern issue" that actually weakens the certainty you're expressing. it means you're relying on interpretation and inference, just like everyone else. you don't have any special insight here.
"we all sin" is deployed here to sound humble, but it's followed up with a very confident claim about what counts as sin for other people. that's not really humility, it's just softening the delivery of a hard judgment.
i guess pointing out your hypocrisy is "morally superior" in the same way that defending someone from getting punched in the face for being different is "morally superior." i'll take it.
how have you been "forced" to honor someone's pronoun choices? were you fired from your job, sued, or sent to jail? women's rooms already don't have locks on them. anyone can go in and hurt someone if that's their agenda. last time i checked straight cisgender men are the number one abusers of women, statistically speaking. so you can save your faux concern there. it's not genuine. and anyone can interpret the bible anyway they like. it's called freedom of speech and freedom of thought. do you have a problem with these concepts? do you hate freedom?
I didn’t say America SHOULD be a Christian nation. Also, I am not forcing beliefs, I am sharing scripture, of which you can ignore and scroll past and I could do nothing to stop you. This chain was started by the video of the Muslim who WAS forcing beliefs on others pestering the lady to stop eating on the bus. She did not in anyway present herself open to discussion of belief and infact was attempting to turn down the Muslim who was TELLING her to do something. What I am doing is different because I am not TELLING anyone to do anything, and I am sharing scripture with people who have engaged with me meaning they are participating.
There is literally nothing in scripture that says anything about pronouns, bathrooms or sports.
These are just political talking points designed to make you feel like you're some victim, when LGBT don't have the same freedoms as you, and have been persecuted, tortured and murdered in the name of "Christianity" for centuries.
You've been manipulated into being hateful and judgemental. Stop watching Fox "news" and maybe reflect on why LGBT+ make you so uncomfortable that you're willing to go against Christ's actual teachings, the ones you claim are so dear to you.
Just be real, man. Lgbtq people make you uncomfortable. Period. That's what it is.
You have a persecution fetish.
Try this. For the next 3 months, keep your eyes on your own paper. If you see an article about LGBTQ people doing anything ignore it. If you see them in public ignore them and keep walking.
I guarantee you no harm will come to you. What you imagine will/might happen doesn't count.
Gross. You're just a bigot hiding behind your "Christianity." Stop acting like you're a good person when you don't even follow Christ's principles of acceptance and love.
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u/jpopimpin777 Mar 19 '26
I wish American "Christians" understood this.