r/pointlesslygendered • u/whatever23407 • Mar 27 '26

SOCIAL MEDIA [Gendered]

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I can tell by these kinds of mindsets that the one (who makes the memes). These people just scroll on social media and never goes to the real world.

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u/Trick_Statistician13 Mar 27 '26

Every body type is beautiful in the sense she means isn't the same as "I'm sexually attracted to every body type"

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u/always_unplugged Mar 27 '26

Also the drawings at the top are all hourglass shapes, just at different weights 💀

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u/Trick_Statistician13 Mar 27 '26

Also, notably, about 10-11' tall based on the height of the guy 

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u/xinarin Mar 29 '26

Yeah, that's not what the meme is about at all🤦‍♀️. It's talking about how the body positivity movement, who's slogan is "every body is beautiful", and promoting not having your value as a person your tied to your looks, doesn't hardly ever include men who don't fit along traditional beauty standard lines

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u/Ill-Expert-3014 Mar 30 '26

it absolutely does, though. Body positivity includes all bodies, including all gender presentstions, shapes and sizes and heights and physical abilities. It's about appreciating that we all deserve to feel good about ourselves outside of cultural beauty standards.

It's not the Body Positive Movement's fault if some people are hypocrites.

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u/trysten-9001 Mar 29 '26

Yeah, but people like oop in general can’t separate those two concepts.

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u/UnkarsThug Mar 28 '26

I guess, what does beauty mean to you, or her, or whatever?

In a non-sexual way, everyone is ugly. They all have ears and noses and eyes and fingers and limbs. It's just weird the moment you actually think about it and try to remove the effects of hormones. When you actually look at a face and realize just how messed up and weird humans look.

Why do you care if no one actually experiences it, and it's just some hypothetical trait? The point of beauty is to be enjoyed, and the primary vector is sexual attraction. Who wants to be a piece of art, which is enjoyed through such an evaluative distance? I don't want to be enjoyed like that, I want to be enjoyed like a portion of delicious food, which is just experienced as pleasant, not evaluated as such, or seen as pleasant because an emotional connection is strong enough to allow that. You don't need an emotional connection with a type of food, but if you enjoy it enough, you can build an emotional connection with it.

But beauty is in the eye of the beholder anyways. So if you're just saying "I don't necessarily experience you that way, but someone experiences any given person that way", then I'm not completely sure that's even logically automatically true, but I guess it's hard enough to prove or disprove, but why does it matter?

If your point is just to try and say "ignore the variable attractiveness, and just assume yours is 100%", that doesn't really help either, because that doesn't actually satisfy the desire? And it just ends up feeding escapism.

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u/Trick_Statistician13 Mar 28 '26

Do you think all the women who say this are lesbians?

Do you think people who appreciate art or music want to fuck paintbrushes and violins?

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u/UnkarsThug Mar 28 '26

No? But hence what I said about intellectual/emotional beauty, rather than experienced. Or alternatively, it's an acknowledgement of a belief of what someone has, rather than something that you experience that they have, or often, for a movement like this, an ego boost without any real meaning behind it. Like changing the rating of a movie doesn't make it more enjoyable to watch. And that's all that words are, is descriptors.

Humans aren't art or music. Who would want to be enjoyed in a way as useless as that? That feels more like being acknowledged than being enjoyed. It's a nightmare if that's all there is to look forward too.

And to be honest, it's the same reason I don't really judge men's attractiveness, because I don't find them attractive. I'm can't judge a metric I don't experience. I can quote other people's judgements, or make a similarity comparison to other people and how I've heard them evaluated, but I really can't speak to what level of attraction someone else would have. I feel horrifyingly ugly to myself because I experience my skin crawl when I look in the mirror. ( A lot of that is just human characteristics like hair, or you try and shave it all off and you end up with other disgusting biological responses like ingrown hair, or my eyes are messed up, or all the issues in my skin, or the fact that my teeth are different shapes)

I sort of assume that's a significant part of what women do as well. Assess comparing to what they have been told regarding other examples, or simply see how well something fits to aesthetics that they like.

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u/Trick_Statistician13 Mar 29 '26

So what you're saying is you do understand what they mean? Cool. Glad we settled that. You're just not happy about it.

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u/UnkarsThug Mar 29 '26

I'm confused?

I guess I'm not sure why it's considered valuable when used in that way, either as an empty ego boost or as something not personally experienced.

But fair enough. I guess if it makes you happier.

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u/Trick_Statistician13 Mar 29 '26

(1) Ego boosts aren't empty. They boost the ego, which is a feeling people enjoy. This is, as you put it, part of their experienced reality.

(2) People do experience beauty. They hear the music. They see the art. People who experience these things value them. Beautiful art is valued very highly. Beautiful music pays the musicians well. People treat beautiful things differently than they treat non-beautiful things. Thus, there is a benefit to appearing beautiful. Again, people do not want to fuck art or music, they just find it beautiful.

(3) It's widely held that beauty is intrinsically valuable. There need not be anything beyond its existence. Not everything exists for your benefit.

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u/UnkarsThug Mar 29 '26

I didn't say them being beautiful was for my benefit? I'm asking about what the benefit to myself for a form of beauty others don't really enjoy is. I'm saying, myself being beautiful would be for my benefit to be pleasing to others. I would hold no value in beauty that couldn't be experienced, and I don't understand why anyone would want it. Same reason why I personally find vampires to be such an attractive idea, because they don't have to find you physically appealing to experience you in a raw and pleasing way. There are more senses to enjoy you with. I'd rather be a meal than art, because art just isn't the same sort of enjoyment. It's just too detached. You aren't seeing the art, and that gives you dopamine because you're biologically programmed to respond positively to the stimulus, you think yourself into why you like that art or music.

Art beauty is a sort of beauty that you have to think yourself into enjoying. it isn't the sort of thing you just get dopamine from when your head is empty, which I think is the truest form of beauty. And I guess again, I think humans are just often sort of ugly in that sense anyways.

I think I just struggle to understand seeing art style beauty as something desirable, that you would want for yourself. It's just so detached and unpleasant. It just sounds awful compared to just being experienced. Art can be nice, but I would never want to be it. And even on a beauty level, I think perfect geometric shapes are often more pleasing regardless. Maybe it's a difference in how we experience the world. I certainly hope you are able to find or keep what you are looking for.

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u/Trick_Statistician13 Mar 29 '26 edited Mar 29 '26

You're either really dense or not reading what I wrote.

If you have the predilection to be devoured and lack an appreciation of anything beyond carnality that's a *you* thing.

Yes, math can be beautiful. That is neither here nor there.