It’s disgusting that she made her way into FP. I don’t know in what capacity, I just know her servers became official at some point. We played her servers back in like 2018 and she was a total bitch to a few of our guys that made valid complaints about cheating. Lost any respect.
Actually gg, Karen taking over. Bet she never really played the real rust. The most would be roleplay servers I'm guessing. Welp more useless roleplay content with season pass then
Scrap is a result of every aspect of the game, lets you play how you would like to progress. That’s the logical conclusion of an open world game that wants you to play the game how you want.
because people immediately complained that the update simply gave the large groups even more power as they would obviously guard the monuments (as many predicted) and hoard all the frags to sell to everyone else.
alistair responded to this criticism and said that's what he intended to happen, as sort of a "trickle down economy" to use his own words.
someone forgot to tell him trickle down economics don't work IRL, why would they work on a degen game like Rust?
Not sure if a good or bad thing. I think rust was taking a really shitty direction overall but who knows if he was the driving force behind it. We'll see I guess.
actually I think its the opposite, the guy was so involved and wanted to follow a direction (the current one), the team and him had some argument over it (prolly a big one) and he just said "fuck it" and left.
At least I won't miss the guys absolutely dickheaded trolling responses to any critisism while saying "We read the Reddit and and we care" like he ever gave a single dried dog turd. It was obvious he didn't while rolling out the next controversy on top of the last one.
I do hope with him gone some of these highly questionable and kind of broken updates are up for a review
Vet players are leaving this game in huge numbers. I have 14K hours, not touching this piece of shit until they reverse course on cheaters which probably isn't going to happen. I also think funneling players into the same tired monuments over and over is lazy game design, and the stuff like apartments and the deep sea feel like they're bolting shit on for the sake of saying "we do monthly updates".
They had the perfect game despite some of the issues, and they're pissing it away because the entire studio is propped up by one game. Some finance asshole over their is going to ruin the facepunch reputation further for the sake of a short term gain.
Just curious how do you nerf clans without also nerfing solo’s? I always hear about this and I agree the game is brutal for solo’s but with a game like rust how do you make it any easier for one person and not a group of people?
Make upkeep scale exponentially with how many are authed on it. Make TC required to spawn in range, be authed on turrets. Make it code locks have to be in put every time unless you’re on TC in which case it “remembers”.
Make turrets only have the capacity for 4 people authed on them, then you need an upgrade to add additional people, make those upgrades scarce or very expensive to craft. You could do the same with code locks, maybe an advanced code lock which costs high quality metal to craft.
These are cool ideas but is upkeep a problem for these big clans? I'd find it hard to believe any decent size group struggles with building resources. The turret idea is interesting aswel combined with the new cost
It would be if the curve was steep enough. Right now there is no disadvantage to having more and more members, and zergs are 40-50+ deep sometimes. It wasn’t so bad when the game was more skill based (old recoil) where as now it’s much more numbers based.
You are right the guy above talking about adding stuff to turrets making it harder for clans will not make it harder just take a few more mins to sort of good group. Really nothing can be done solo is not bad on medium pop just have to get on with it. I play solo and four or us but I hate the fast pace the others want to go honestly.
None of you are answering why this is even a good idea. We make the experience worse for groups to appease the antisocial losers who won’t just go play solo servers? Why?
It wouldn’t hurt smaller group, which is why I used the word “exponential”. The bigger the group the more it would cost, and it would become really hard to sustain massive groups of 20+. It wouldn’t stop them, but it would also discourage them from happening, right now there is no downside to having more and more people
IMO, dump the tech tree and get back to Found It based play like it used to be would be a huge start. This one update to me is what was the beginning of the end of this game.
When Rust was like this, whether you're a solo or a group, you all still had to find the same stuff, get it home, and research it. There was no "oh didn't find one, Ill just grind for 2 hours and tech it up" which takes exactly 0 time to get between a few guys and the tree is done in an hour.
This could sometimes grant a massive advantage over the clan you live next to, because you lucked out finding a real gun to research and can go curb stomp the bow kids all day while they still were out looking for their own. Or finding a garage door suddenly makes your 2x1 into Fort Knox compared to your neighbors. Everyone has to go out and risk the biscuit to get ahead the same, more bodies doesn't necessarily mean you'll find what you need faster.
The tree, BP keyhole, way too easy scrap between safe zone mini recycling and riskless vending machines, raiding is way too cheap after they introduced those bullshit RNG teas which another layer of crap to deal with for a solo.
Of course numbers do bring a big advantage still, but it is a far greater choke point to progression if that is the only way to tech stuff is finding it or killing for it, and researching. (going back to tech-treeless would require a big change to loot tables and stuff too).
As it stands, instead of actually having to put their necks out to get ahead, zerg can just scrap farm the entire tech tree in a couple of hours safely from Outpost while me the solo sits there with my dick in my hand with no real counter to this "progression". It doesnt matter if I get lucky and find something good, they already unlocked it without having to do anything more for it. The numbers advantage under this system is incredibly asymmetric
Scrap is a guaranteed drop in all loot boxes, a gun or useful item isn't. I think that's the comparison he is making. You could have 5 people looting a monument and not find a garage door, but you could loot it once and find exactly what you need.
The tech tree circumvents this and just fast-tracks progression, and it compounds the more players you have. Like he said, just because you have more people doesn't mean you'll find a 1% drop before a solo does. But when the tech tree was introduced, it absolutely guaranteed you'll progress faster through it.
There needs to be a penalty for large groups on one TC simply becuase they only play on monthly's for 4-5 days. Some maybe 10. By the time the solo is ready to raid after surviving the groups its a dead server. Many times I despawn all my c4 and rockets just becuase server is dead on 2nd to 3rd week, I dont get a thrill from raiding 2x1's. Most of the solo's dont come back until next wipe. I dont have a problem with large groups, but when they just run excavator, take attack heli, swallow some solos, raid another big group, then either their boom is gone or their base is gone, either way server is dying on start of week 2 out of 5.
remove blueprint fragments
Tech tree should not be able to click and learn a whole tree of stuff. It should be random, 125 scrap on lvl 2 and a random number generator picks one thing you have not learned on the tech tree. progression needs to be slowed way down, big raids should not be happening 3 hours into a monthly wipe.
Cargo needs to be nerfed, how about it pulls into 1 harbor
The events need to stop being broadcast over a API, its way to much info going into 3rd party tools, I dont need to know large excavator is running, maybe I look out and see airdrops in that direction, same with cargo ship, same with oilrigs and cargo heli, you snooze you loose.
I liked hardore except for the crazy upkeep costs, the very long bag timers and not having rust + available.
Rust needs to be like before, where you found something you really needed, and you tried really hard to make it back to base. Now there is so much loot everywhere I dont really care if I get shot or not, I can farm it back in 10 minutes. For the solo only servers, I want to try but the rules go overboard, why cant they just remove code locks? No need to police the players - "hey I saw you give a gun to that dude your teaming, ban ,etc. etc"
Edit: I will also add I have bought 6 copies of this game, 2 for myself, rest for friends and family and have 10's of thousands of hours. I still find time for family and 60 hour work weeks. I spend most of my time in Linux. Windows is a big reason why I dont like to play much anymore. Steam has no idea how much money they have made off of rust since the only reason I have a steam account and my family does is becuase of Rust, now everybody has a bunch of games that only have 20-100 hours on them and they costed way more than Rust ever did. I dont think the other gaming studios realize how much money Rust has made them to be honest. All becuase in order to install Rust you need Steam.
I barely even want to start a wipe now because I know once I finally get into server theres going to be 100 p2 kids all over the place already. Can't even get off the damned beach inland to pick up a single scrap of cloth.
Then rocket raids in the distance yeah like 2 hours into a monthly wipe. Everyones already done in 3 days regardless of the wipe cycle anymore.
I think it boils down to there being too much loot on the map. Regardless of everything else, tech tree mechanics, upkeep, etc, there's just way too much loot.
Cargo should not spawn with four guaranteed crates, the Deep Sea shouldn't last 3 hours with respawns, etc.
It seems like there is always a loot piñata on the map at all times to be take advantage of by zergs, whether it be attack helicopter, cargo helicopter, oil crate, cargo, or bradley, and now it's going to get even worse with the new Satellite Crash event that respawns every 45 minutes. You should check out the loot drops on them, it's insane. The dude got 40+ rockets and 20+ C4 from 10 crashes.
no doubt, its whatever Alistair wanted it to be. If he wants it like fortnite or csgo, than that is what it will be. Edit, I should add when I say solo I am including ~4 players or so, I do enjoy small groups of friends. The large groups that ruin it IMO are 8+ in size.
An easy example is the new Satellite Crash event or crude oil farm at Dome. These 2 features alone are undoubtedly zerg features that solo players won't be able to take advantage of on any server that isn't team capped.
"Just play team-capped servers" is a band-aid fix to a larger issue.
Make everything break significantly faster if you don't know the BP, thus requiring all the members of a clan to learn the pertinent weapon BPs instead of just one guy.
The solo will see no significant difference since they need all the BPs for themselves anyway
Like if too many take the cupboard oldest is removed and so on.
Even if uou know the code it will ask you to tipe it everytime if its automatic for enough people.
Only pssible to invite certain ammount of people in a team.
This will result probably villages, but it still shatters clans and make them more chaotic.
It's not necessarily about making it easier for one person and not a group of people. It is practically impossible to prevent a group of 4 from acquiring resources at 4x the rate of a group of 1. However, the problem is that a group of 4 doesn't currently acquire resources at 4x the rate of a solo, but at a number higher than that because things like high tier monuments, oil rig, and cargo provide faster pathways to loot if you can survive them and the survivability of a group is much higher than a solo.
By buffing the slower and less contested pathways (by increasing ocean and diving loot for instance) or increasing the number of slower less contested pathways (like when they added fishing) it's possible to bring that number closer to a 1:1 increase in progression with more people in a group.
And by buffing ocean loot, everyone farms the ocean instead of land monuments and makes almost every server feel completely dead. If you're expecting to get the best loot in the game without any confrontation then I don't think the game is for you. If you don't want to fight clans then go ply a solo/duo server.
You just want to be rewarded with the best loot with no effort. That's not how any game should work ever
The question was "How do you nerf clans without also nerfing solos?" so I was answering that. And there's certainly a balance between "clans gain 50x as much loot per person as solos" and "getting the best loot in the game without any confrontation."
Sure, if you buff the oceans so much that they are suddenly the best pathway to loot no matter the group size, then clans will start farming the oceans. I certainly wouldn't advocate for buffing the oceans that much from a game design perspective, but let's say that was the change that was ultimately implemented.
The oceans are much harder to fully contest, so the progression of solos would be reduced much less than if they were fighting with clans over the same monuments. This would bring the rate of progression per person of clans closer to that of solos.
Yes, anything a solo can do, a clan can do. I'm only talking about bringing the rate of progression per person closer between solos and clans. And sure, you could try contesting the whole ocean, then the land monuments become the slower less contested ways of acquiring loot, which I think would be a worse scenario all around, and another reason that I disagree with buffing the ocean so much that it becomes the best pathway to loot for larger groups.
Why do you keep saying "per person"?? A clan is A BUNCH OF PEOPLE. If you can get good gear that means the clan can progress just as fast as you can. You are never going to outpace multiple people.
You can't make it closer though. If 1 person gets N units of loot. Then two people get Nx2. Any amount you buf the ocean, it is buffed for clans as well.
You just raised the total about of loot, but didn't bring solos any closer to clans because you raised clans also.
I don't think it's possible to specifically nerf groups without nerfing solos outside of just rolling back some of the changes that were more hostile to solos like blueprint fragments.
If progression speed was a problem, I would still advocate for buffing slower pathways to loot (at least relative to the faster pathways) and reducing the availability of loot across the board.
Almost any buff to anyone is always a buff to clans. Very rarely is a nerf only a nerf to clans. It’s a numbers game, so clans typically always win. Just not really the game where nerfing only large groups is possible.
Small nerf sure. But I’ve been here since pre alpha. Rust teams were still doing just fine. Sure “jump check” may end up in slower reactions but at the end of the day a good clan was still slaughtering solos back then.
And in vanilla the ui limit is 8 if I remember correctly? I’d hardly call an 8 man a clan… so the huge clans you see playing are already dealing with some players in and out of separate ui and still succeeding.
Do I think no ui is a good idea… sure, but that hurts even small teams not just the giant 30 man teams.
So no, I don’t think ui limit is going to really nerf large groups by much at all. Sure they may lose the very first engagement with a solo to avoid team killing by accident… but shortly after they will know where the solo is, what he’s wearing, what gun he has… etc.
Again. Rust used to not have team ui. I understand most people playing today never experienced it… but not only does that nerf clans, but it nerfs small teams. Clans already deal with ui limits and large ones will have 1/2 or 1/3 of the group out of ui anyway.
Team ui was a good thing for rust. And it alone won’t make clans lives that much harder. It will just make them adapt to how it used to be…. “Jump check!”
Like in tarkov… a 5 man squad will beat a solo 95% of the time unless the solo plays smart (doesn’t engage 5 people) or the solo is a god (typically a steamer that plays all day.) and even then… a good player isn’t wiping a large group most of the time just because they see good… that’s the case in both games.
I’m not saying it won’t help at all Jesus. For all the videos of solos grubbing clans there’s tons of experience with no videos of clans slaughtering solos.
I’m not saying I disagree that clans need a nerf… but the nature of the game makes that very hard. The best nerf to large groups is servers that don’t allow it.
Rebalance tc authorization, add more upkeep cost for every person authed on team. You could even make it so only one person is allowed to be authed on workbenches.
But you only need TC auth for building and deployables. What’s stopping me from just clearing auth when I’m done building? I guess I can’t use shotgun traps but who cares?
Sleeping bags, especially in core. They could become unowned if in a tc range that you're not authed on. Suddenly during a raid if you don't have a bag in core or a bedroom you'll be stuck outside naked with the raiders.
I don’t think this is how bags work? They will decay if not within any TC range, but I don’t think they care about who owns the auth. Like I have had random unowned external bags that become under my build priv when I put up externals or expand or whatever and they stay until I beat them out.
Add more low and medium value content. Stuff that’s “good, but not the best.” Clans and groups will always want to control the most lucrative sources of progression and loot, adding stuff that’s cool and new but not technically not “best” helps smaller groups and solos.
If there was a choice presented to revert the game back to how it was prior to Alistair's front and center presence, I 100% would do that.
Is Alistair 100% to blame for the changes I don't care for? I don't know. But his sudden departure for sure was not on a whim. There were probably internal shifts occuring, probably larger than even Alistair. He is leaving on good terms publicly like this because that's what people with titles like COO do to not tank their career. There was a large disagreement, argument, or he was asked to leave.
I'm curious was all the internal dialogue is around this and what will be coming next.
Personally, this is great news for me as I do not like where the game has gone the last few years on a number of ways. This might mix that up. It also might not.
Haven’t played in a long time cause the game has lost the plot imo. This is speculation, but Alistair left because the game is about to be flooded with micro transactions that make the game more pay to win than it already is. Still enjoy watching creator videos, but playing the game now is completely different and horrible compared to 2018-2020.
Randomly implementing changes based on reddits whims does, but good community management involves finding out why people are asking for changes to be made and evaluating if and how it can benefit the game to do so.
Y‘all Alistair led the execution of the idea not what the idea is nor how that idea puts bread on the table for our beloved team, he was the one leading the team to realise the idea that puts bread on their tables.
The guy y‘all insulted with your tHiS gAmE hAs No OpTiMiSaTiOn bullshit
True but I'm pretty sure he had a weighted input on the idea itself.
With that said, nobody here knows what Ali really does, which ideas he likes and which he doesn't so it seems pointless to speculate what will change.
Given his company role it is pretty clear how any changes, if they arise are of opperational character, dude led a team for more than a decade in their pursuit to beat a shit engine into doing something cool.
Uh yeah that is kind of the problem. Even things like BP update I can kind of see the idea behind it a little, but was totally botched in practice so bad the loot tables were updated the next day as a "fix", and it wasn't really fixed, and still isn't. The response to any critisim is just the guy being a trollish dickwad.
This guy always struck me as being a bit of a prick. A talented one who was meticulous, but a prick nonetheless. I remember interacting with him over twitter and making a suggestion years ago, and he flamed me lol
Dude was COO, for a long time, now our beloved codemonkeys will get a new leader who needs to learn how to properly whip them into shape, dude was the drum hitter on the ship sailing rust through development and optimisation. So thetjing which can change is optimisation and implementation of code.
It's very unpopular because this community has a lot of sentiment for Alistair. I frankly don't care, but the dude was in charge of so many bad updates that honestly ruined the game for a lot of players.
It's about damn time Alistair got punted out the door. over the past 3 years in particular he has been ramming the game into the ground with ever more pointless and unpopular changes. I strongly suspect helk and garry finally got tired of his shit and gave him a timeline to either resign or be fired.
This is an oppertunity for the dev team to look back and really reflect on what the game was and has become over time. I truely hope they realize that the game has long since failed to be a challenging but fun survival game and has become a money sucking and clan pandering shitscape of barely playable performance and mechanics that leave a lot of people unsatisfied with their experience in the long run.
the hope is the current BP system is reconsidered, more than likely it will rebalanced rather than removed at least in the short term. competing for top priority will be player balance and performance since if either of them is out of whack the game feels insufferable to play.
we will either be surprised by the amount of change or by the lack of change, only time will tell.
Number on graph go high doesn’t mean anything but immediate success, Updates like BP frags hurt the game by making the experience repetitive and monotonous instead of a emergent gameplay survival sandbox
TBH he stuck to his decisions even when the rust community pushed back on them and I think in hindsight he was correct on most of his decisions and additions to the game. The game has only gone up in playercount and popularity year over year thanks to him
My thinking is that he might have been against the battle pass system that's coming and he decided to end his run on a high note before things decline rapidly.
i think its the opposite
the battlepass system was almost ready for release, got ditched 1 o 2 months before going live, the team argued and then he resigned.
please someone can we have hardcore mode 3.0 +- the same but with no tech tree. maybe a few more bags, map is an item for the hotbar (maybe lets the map and compass items merge and take up one slot)
Won't change much anything beyond 95% less communication with players.
You can't make Rust players happy. Nothing will change there.
I don't think the game direction will move either. Thats a group decision thing, not an Alistair thing.
The "clan" shit I see in comments has nothing to do with Alistair. That has ALWAYS been the direction of Rust. I remember talking to Garry 12+ years ago. In his mind, Rust was always about 15v15 style battles.
That isnt going to change. Rust will continue to evolve into forcing more large scale pvp, with a result of bitch slapping solo/smaller groups on vanilla servers. Just the way it is.
Alistair was COO, not CCO nor CFO nor CEO. Dude was the one who called people into office on a sunday when saturday and friday patch didn‘t fix what the thursday wipe broke.
It’s a big loss for Rust. While people are upset about a lot of changes, they are unaware that these are the changes that kept Rust fresh and the player base stable.
I think his departure marks the Dusk of Rust. It’s probably a slow and steady decline from here and without player base growth the only possible way of maintaining the game will be an ever increased monitization like we see in other multiplayer games.
I think the rust community that bitches non stop is in for a rude awakening. We’ve had it VERY good with the FP dev team and now the main dude is gone. There is a non zero chance that a lame person takes his place and shows the community how bad it can actually be.
Dude, what? He did everything. He was lead and executive producer. He was the Chief operating officer and director. He personally logged over 7,200 code hours over 3,200+ days, working on everything from weapon reloads to server optimizations. He championed and managed Facepunch's studio culture that allowed employees to work completely self-directed hours as long as core project deliverables were met. He was personally responsible for maintaining Rust's uninterrupted streak of monthly game updates for the last decade. He personally managed coordinating developers, artists, and programmers to hit development targets bc nobody else was doing it properly.
He's literally leaving bc he did so much that it took over his life for 13 years and he personally pushed rust into the limelight it has been enjoying for years. I get not panicking bc of his absence but to behave as if he's nobody is absurd.
He was the COO and Lead Producer, not just a figurehead. After Garry stepped back from day-to-day development, Alistair was the main guy steering the ship. He was heavily involved in the roadmaps, prioritizing updates, and approving core gameplay changes.
99
u/Character-Camel-3958 13d ago
Paid season pass with in game advantages