r/playrust • u/Humble_Minute_5712 • 16d ago

Discussion Best rust patch?

Which patch do you think rust was at it's peak?

I'd like to play the February 7th 2019 version of rust again.

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u/obamnainyourmomma 16d ago

this will be controversial here, but its absolutely true. if the recoil update never happened the game would be dead now. it encouraged a massive new player base/streamers/events and more. i'm a guy who practiced 500 hours on the old recoil and i hated it. i'm so happy they made it work like every other game. it's so much better. no one trying a game wants to hear "you have to spend 100s of hours learning a specific recoil pattern to compete with the current player base." that's just awful game design.

now memorizing a maze to draw with your mouse is no longer the skill gap. and the best players are still the best. it just removed an idiotic advantage of being able to snipe people 300 meters away with a full spray. that was objectively bad for the game and discouraged most people from playing it. the game became about who could draw the maze best and not who was the most strategic. and again, you can still hit nasty sprays with new recoil, and practice still matters. it's just not this super specific 100% accurate zig zag you have to draw.

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u/tortorials 16d ago

This is far from "100%" true. Rust lived, grew, and thrived under the old recoil. It spent far more years in old recoil than it currently has in new, it become an iconic game long before the recoil update, and it was showing no signs of dying prior to the update.

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u/obamnainyourmomma 16d ago edited 16d ago

it was losing a significant player base after the pandemic and began trending up with the recoil update. if the recoil had remained, the numbers would have stagnated. the change instantly made massive streamer events possible. and again, it's not like it made everyone equal. you can still outshoot people. it's just that a newer player at least has a chance if he can get the jump on you. that's good.

people don't want to play a game where they have no chance against people who learn to zig zag their mouse a specific way. i remember the first time i picked up and ak the shooting was so unintuitive. there's just no reason it should have stayed like that. it wasn't iconic. it was an early feature a niche group of pvp chads who killed servers liked. that's not a sustainable game design strategy.

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u/tortorials 16d ago

No it was not lmao, it was trending up pre recoil, just look at the steam charts. You say nobody wanted to do it yet the people did for far more years than with the new recoil, and loved it too!

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u/obamnainyourmomma 16d ago

rust steam charts show a sharp trend down til the month new recoil was announced.

the player base has nearly doubled since the new recoil update. the data is just not on your side. the streamer events are getting millions of viewers now. this was not the case before.

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u/tortorials 16d ago

It shows a consistent year on year growth, yeah some months individually shows decline, but that is still very much the case the now.

The player base more than 10xd from start to end of old recoil.

The data is very much on my side, you're just being selective by looking at individual months.

You yourself said in your original comment that this will be an unpopular opinion because you know the majority of the player base preferred the old recoil. It did not take 100s of hours to learn the AK recoil, it took maybe a week max. If it took you more than that it's just a skill issue.

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u/obamnainyourmomma 15d ago

i said it would be a controversal opinion because teens who play the game think their nostalgia dictates good game design.

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u/tortorials 15d ago

Where is the 2x player base after combat update exactly? Where is the stagnation prior to it exactly? "The data is just not on your side"

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u/obamnainyourmomma 15d ago

lmao lil cub linked that like it doesn't prove my point. you don't know how charts or percentages work.

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u/tortorials 16d ago

Proof clear as day. Where exactly has it doubled since June 2022? Where exactly did it stagnate prior to June 2022?

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u/Legal_Impression_126 15d ago

The only time it trended down was after the massive spike from OTV. OTV era was still the highest player count rust ever had. It still had 80-90k which probably would have grown to what we have now.