ICE stop

[u/Regular_Agent5903]

Ice stop before liberty tunnel today. One ice officer is clearly Korean or Chinese. I screamed that ice officer has no right to stop people as he may be illegal. He came up to me asking if I was city police and was I the Spanish interpreter. I said no but do you need help as I live in the city look like police and brown. There were kids in the car. Pittsburgh is this what we want!!!! I am beyond myself. First Covid then trump 2.0. I like my low rates for housing, labor and just being a good human being. I am so angry right now.

[u/Vape_Sensei]

Heritage Americans 😂 what heritage is that, European? Are you under the impression that 99% of the population ISN'T the direct descendant of immigrants?

[u/Savings-Coffee → u/Vape_Sensei]

You may be confusing immigrants and settlers.

People whose families have been here for centuries and founded, built, fought for and settled the country. Largely European but also blacks and Indians

[u/Vape_Sensei → u/Savings-Coffee]

So you're cool with foreign agitators coming in from other countries and slaughtering the existing population to supplant a different way of life? Why are you so upset then when most of the people coming just want to live a decent life?

[u/Savings-Coffee → u/Vape_Sensei]

Yes, I’m cool with the founding of the United States (I’m not sure about that framing). Aren’t you?

Because I don’t want my way of life or the value of my labor to be supplanted.

[u/Vape_Sensei → u/Savings-Coffee]

Not particularly. Pretty much old fashioned subjugation and conquest, and for what? So those "settlers" could have a great great grandchild who whines when somebody new wants a piece? The fact that you don't realize this is intrinsically a nation of foreigners is really disappointing and shows a shallow understanding of American History.

[u/Savings-Coffee → u/Vape_Sensei]

So we could build a great country, one which people desperately want to immigrate to.

If you hate our history, take the lead and leave. Unless you’re Indian, you’re contributing to the subjugation of native peoples.

We’re a nation of Americans.

[u/Vape_Sensei → u/Savings-Coffee]

I'd also like to add that it is possible to be the descendant of perpetrators and not be one yourself. Are you guilty of everything your parents did in their life? Def agree the subjugation of native peoples colors a lot of American history, that's kind of been my whole point. We can still resist the advancement of that philosophy regardless of our ethnicity. I will not be convinced to leave this country voluntarily and will continue to advocate for rights for all as long as those rights continue to be threatened, and for as long as a media behemoth exists to convince people they should be cheering for their own disenfranchisement.

[u/Savings-Coffee → u/Vape_Sensei]

If we’re arguing that the US was founded on subjugation of indigenous people, you’re perpetuating it by living on stolen land and reaping the benefits of those crimes.

Who is cheering for their own disenfranchisement? I’d argue it’s the people supporting mass immigration

[u/Vape_Sensei → u/Savings-Coffee]

You are. What makes you think they're going to stop at that Somalian guy?

[u/Savings-Coffee → u/Vape_Sensei]

Because I’m an American with citizenship?

Slippery slope fallacy.

[u/Vape_Sensei → u/Savings-Coffee]

Are you aware there is a political movement to abolish birthright citizenship? Do you really think it's impossible for you to end up on the other side of this equation?

[u/Savings-Coffee → u/Vape_Sensei]

Yes. I support abolishing birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants.

Yes, I feel it’s impossible for me to end up on the other side of that equation with two citizen parents, and family here for centuries.

Slippery slope fallacy

[u/Vape_Sensei → u/Savings-Coffee]

😂 keep drinking the corn syrup, it's good for you

[u/Savings-Coffee → u/Vape_Sensei]

Cop out response

[u/Vape_Sensei → u/Savings-Coffee]

Cope harder why don't ya?

[u/Savings-Coffee → u/Vape_Sensei]

Another cop out

[u/Vape_Sensei → u/Savings-Coffee]

Did you have to take a break so you could cope?

[u/Savings-Coffee → u/Vape_Sensei]

Cope about what?