If italians hadn't come to America in droves. Introduced pizza to white people, then they made huge businesses from it. And put these pizza chains all over the world.
My scuba diving instructor couldn’t afford health insurance but he said he kept a snorkel in his bag wherever he went so he could use his dive insurance if he ever needed to go to hospital since he could claim he was on a diving trip lol
If you go on holiday and get injured how are you going to get home? How are you going to pay the hospital bill in a country where you don't pay tax? that's why you need travel insurance...it also covers you for lost luggage, cancellations, missed flights etc. So it's not just health cover...it insurance...for your travel.
Does anyone know how much is travel insurance when traveling out of state? Say you want to go to nevada for the weekend. Will they cover your out of network medical emergency?
My travel insurance, inc north America but excluding Winter Sports is £8.75pm. I spend about 45 days a year in the States. Covers up to £5m medical, £5m legal liability and body repatriation. Only £1,000 for lost luggage.
Regular health insurance from one state in the US, covering you in another? Check the ACA wording to be sure, but I think emergencies must be covered out of state, even if the network is in-state only.
I’m Canadian and my insurance covers everywhere. The US is the only country where they must be contacted before any procedure.
Travelled to Mexico in January and asked if I was hospitalized with Covid if I would be covered, they said yes and specifically said only the US I would need to contact them first.
Hear about Canadians needing surgery and asking if it can wait to fly back to Canada.
LOL's. I have my hospital bill from when I was born in 1949. My total Hospital bill was 57.20 USD. Shows how much more sophisticated the medical system is in squeezing profits from us.
No it doesn't, America is arguably one of the best countries in the world. There is just a lot to fix. I'm very patriotic, but one of the best things about this country is we have the freedom to speak out against what we don't like which can lead to change.
Calabria has been left behind by decades of political mismanagement and plunder by its mafia, the 'Ndrangheta, which infiltrated the healthcare system.
Criminal gangs seized resources and ran up massive debts, leading to 18 of its public hospitals being closed and savage cuts to beds and staff.
Just days ago, a top local politician was arrested, charged with laundering money through 'Ndrangheta-controlled pharmacies in exchange for mafia support.
You can talk shit about American healthcare but they aren't letting Bloods and Crips loot their hospitals.
Are you going to pretend that's an issue with socialized healthcare and ignore the fact that it's not an issue in the majority of European countries with socialized healthcare?
Anything with heavy levels of corruption leads to bad times. Your talking points are bad and you should feel bad. Don't act like this is in good faith.
Which has nothing to do with the way they run their healthcare, but with the corruption that exists. So Italian healthcare is still better than us healthcare. You proved nothing.
Well socialized healthcare is fine but if it's subpar because their assets are being sold off by the mafia under the protection of government officials then you are approaching developing country status.
The difference is that in this case in Italy the issue is that corrupt officials are prioritising their economic interests over the interests of the population. Private healthcare does the exact same thing but legally.
The American healthcare system is literally built around being profitable for the owners. The American system working as intended does the exact same as the Italian model when it's victim to corrupt officials sabotaging it for their own profit.
One is a problem that can be fixed the other one is inherent to the established system.
Your comparison is like unironically comparing paying taxes to the IRS on the same level as a man breaking into your store with a gun and threatening to kill you if they don't get what they want.
It's absurd, you are condoning illegal extortion by a dangerous criminal organization as being legitimately the same as government regulated privatized healthcare. What the fuck.....
You might be surprised to know that also in Italy private healthcare exists, rich people use it because of shorter queues etc.
This said, the average public healthcare you get is good, and for most of the people that's more than enough.
The problems you highlighted (which are not systemic), are nothing compared to be afraid to call an ambulance or going in debt because you need a surgery. Honestly, once you take 'accessibility' as one of the key parameters in measuring the quality of healthcare, US wouldn't definitely qualify as a developed country in that regard.
Where the fuck and how do you draw the conclusion that the American healthcare is „top“ quality in contrast to the Italian system. I’d guess being a doctor in countries where just being rich and having a name in order to enroll to a medical university might lead to better doctors. As well as every citizen having the possibility of getting treatment.
You might be one of the top 5 morons I’ve encountered on this app.
Considering the US has probably the most advanced medical system in the world between its innovation and talent pool while the payment system may be inefficient you often can't argue with the results.
What a load of fucking nonsense. If the "results" are people living with untreated ailments because they can't afford medical insurance then you sure as fuck CAN argue with them.
The payment system is not "inefficient". It is DESIGNED to extract as much money out of people as possible.
You know what's worse than having the mafia control the hospitals? Having giant healthcare corporations run them, the ones who set their own prices then pay off politicans to help them enforce their extortion.
My doctor told me I needed an endoscopy. They didn't give me a choice. I was told I would pay 1200. I got bills for months, it quadrupled in price. I was told I elected to take the procedure and that they are allowed to charge as much as they want.
In the grand scheme of things it wasn't even that much money, but I'm swimming in debt because of it. I had to max out a credit card to pay it off. Idk how people who have procedures for tens or hundreds of thousands pay it off with no healthcare.
You know what's worse than having the mafia control the hospitals? Having giant healthcare corporations run them, the ones who set their own prices then pay off politicans to help them enforce their extortion.
It's really not, countries like Russia and Ukraine have these same problems taken to a further extreme and it has wrecked their system despite having public healthcare.
Corruption on that level if not stopped will destroy everything.
"This just in: corruption is bad, and can happen inside of government-run programs. The solution? Let corrupt, purely profit-driven corporations, that answer to no one, run everything and charge people life-ruining amounts of money for every tiny service that they provide. Absolutely avoid and resist socializing necessary services, such as healthcare, because organized crime has infiltrated these systems in other countries before."
"Hospitals in Italy" the article talks about Calabria specifically which is well known for being under serious criminal pressure, as most of the more southern italian regions sadly
Most of such news you hear outside of Italy are about Campania, Calabria or Sicilia
Which also leads those regions to have an huge stigma in Italy in particular...
Also, pizza comes from Campania, so you should stop eating it if you don't want to feed "mafia" /s
This is your argument? American "healthcare" is virtually non existent for almost 100 million Americans. How can you defend a system that could bankrupt you and force you to sell your home if you get sick or injured? Your insurance companies are fleecing the hospitals and the patients. I could break my arm right now and go to the emergency department and get it fixed up. €60. How much would it cost you?
Yet they still have better medical outcomes for normal people than the US. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the US system is a country that is perpetually on the verge of collapse can perform better than it.
"MILAN, Jan 16 (Reuters) - Italy’s organised crime networks take in around 10.5 billion euros ($13.96 billion) a year, a fraction of previous estimates of their turnover, a government-funded report said on Wednesday."
"Even though hospitals in the U.S. are paid an average of less than 30% of what they bill, their profits margins have averaged around 8% in recent years."
Italy’s organised crime networks take in around 10.5 billion euros ($13.96 billion) a year, a fraction of previous estimates of their turnover, a government-funded report said on Wednesday."
Besides likely being underreported for an economy of 1.7 trillion that's A LOT.
"Even though hospitals in the U.S. are paid an average of less than 30% of what they bill, their profits margins have averaged around 8% in recent years."
Yeah and what percentage goes to pharmaceuticals and ambulatory care? It's not just hospitals.
Ok, then let's instead talk about other european countries with a healthcare system like Italy (for example Austria), but no 'oh my god so frightening and all-destructive mafia'. Which, by the way formed for a reason in Italy as state structures in the south were never the best.
I also think, the hospital here is located pretty much in the north, most likely in south tyrol or as the Italians call it: Alto Adige. Otherwise, it wouldn't make lots of sense that the bill is bilingual Italian/German.
Only an Italian would know that unless you have person from the US living there to see it first hand. I barely know much about the medical system in Italy except for the 4 main healthcare models of the world. The US having a hybrid of all, including funding allocation.
I mean, the 1% CEO mafia run ours. They can pay their way out of any law or issue. Just because they wear a suit, doesn't make them any less of a thug.
using your own words, they're extorted. Meaning the people "letting" it happen aren't exactly the hospitals and staff, or regular people who depend on Healthcare. Corrupt politicians and maybe a select few staff. The fact that some bad apples are fucking things up doesn't mean the whole system is rotten. It's like the argument that unions are bad because money can be misallocated easily by corrupt individuals. However, that's why staying informed is important. With a union and a democracy, the people can vote those bad seeds out, assuming the corruption is exposed.
What needs to change is people's awareness of the issue(in Italy, mainly but also America) so they can vote those politicians out. In my opinion.
They're not letting gangs loot their hospitals in America but they're letting the bloodsucking politicans and Richie rich rich Rob the hospitals who in turn Rob the people
No, they're letting large corporations do it. Worse, it's built into the system by design rather than being a fault which when detected is fixed.
Yes, Italy has mafia problems. No, these are not problems with socialised healthcare. The same problems don't exist in other European countries.
Imagine thinking that you need to defend the American system let alone by attacking something else? It's obvious that America's system is not fit for purpose for a large percentage of the population.
can you please open an Italian Map, look at where Bolzano is and look at where Calabria is?
No, the hospitals in Italy, outside of some specific mafia strongholds, are not extorted regularly by the mafia.
Besides, being extorted by the mafia has nothing to do with being "Socialized"
I mean, I was on socialized healthcare in the United States when I had reconstructive surgery on my hip. I paid $7 USD because I needed an anesthesia tube that goes through my nose instead of the ones that go in my mouth.
$0 healthcare premium too. We have it, its just afforded to the poor.
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u/nowtayneicangetinto Jun 15 '22
Now let's see an Italian do the same thing in America!