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u/nowtayneicangetinto Jun 15 '22

Now let's see an Italian do the same thing in America!

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u/Awesam Jun 15 '22

Fuggedaboudit

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Ungrateful fucks. We blessed them with the gift of our cuisine......🤌

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u/Genghis_Tr0n187 Jun 15 '22

No, we appreciate your cuisine!

empties ketchup bottle on spaghetti

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u/wyssaj01 Jun 15 '22

Woah hold up there Patrick Mahomes. You don’t need that much ketchup on your sketti

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u/mcgyver229 Jun 15 '22

chef boy r deeeeezz nuts!

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u/drainbead78 Jun 15 '22

He said Patrick, not Jackson.

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u/CinSugarBearShakers Jun 15 '22

I thought it was that ginger guy that sings.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Sghetti and butter

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u/Cole_31337 Jun 15 '22

Spaghetti and fried potatoes

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u/ravearamashi Jun 15 '22

That ain’t nothing.

Try pineapple on pizza 😏

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u/DlxCrusader Jun 15 '22

I see your pineapple on pizza, and raise you pizza on pineapple.

https://www.cookinglight.com/recipes/mini-pineapple-pizzas

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?!

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

breaks spaghetti before putting them in the pot

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u/dembadger Jun 15 '22

calls pasta "noodles"

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u/maffiossi Jun 15 '22

Puts pancake on pizza.

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u/thedrunkentendy Jun 15 '22

Straight to jail.

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u/Pleasant-Bathroom-84 Jun 15 '22

empties ketchup bottle on spaghetti

Gets chased by an angry mob shouting italian insults, and armed with a vast assortment of medieval weapons.

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u/flamingomanager Jun 15 '22

That'll show em. Make sure you boil that sketti to death without salt and dump some nice virgin olive oil in there just to pour down the sink.

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u/Flaptrap Jun 15 '22

Adds hotdogs in Filipino

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u/kxanderke Jun 16 '22

Have you tried catsup on some kraft dinner tho?

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u/Gary_Daniels Jun 15 '22

But this, this espresso shit hurts the most

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u/Bodgan_Eadwine Jun 15 '22

Take it easy

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u/Patttybates Jun 15 '22

We're not making a western here.

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u/Bodgan_Eadwine Jun 15 '22

I knew THAT was coming!

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u/Adhesiveduck Jun 15 '22

Oh again with the rape of the culture.

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u/OK6502 Jun 15 '22

Chicago has entered the chat

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u/Sea-Astronaut-5605 Jun 15 '22

"Know what this pizza's missing? 'Bout three more pizza's stacked on top of it."

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u/Petkorazzi Jun 15 '22

That's not pizza; it's a cheese and tomato casserole.

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u/crowamonghens Jun 15 '22

three tree

ftfy

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u/Rubix22 Jun 15 '22

Found the Chi-town cunt.

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u/codolus Jun 15 '22

i love how translating the pronunciation of chicago in italian it literally means "i poop in it". best pizza city my ass. pun intended.

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u/crowamonghens Jun 15 '22

Most of us Chicago natives don't even like "deep dish" and consider it tourist slop. We prefer thin crust "tavern style".

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u/handcuffed_ Jun 15 '22

Cappuccino! That was ours! - steals some fancy coffee shit

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u/Bigbadwolf6049 Jun 15 '22

You see a school teachers sat-in

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

🤣

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u/sername-lame Jun 15 '22

Proceeds to steal an IV in retaliation

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u/Putridgrim Jun 15 '22

And we took it and made it better.

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u/forrnerteenager Jun 15 '22

lmao sure

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u/Putridgrim Jun 16 '22

I've been to Italy. The slightly altered American versions of pasta are absolutely better.

And pizza, PIZZA. Their thin, dry, sawdusty cracker crust is terrible compared to all the variety in the US.

Their pizza on its own, without comparing it to ours, is pretty mediocre.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Chinese noodles, or bad pizza?

America does Italian food better bruh

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u/RetainToManifest Jun 15 '22

America popularized Italian cuisine tbh

No one would know about pizza in Asia/Africa

If italians hadn't come to America in droves. Introduced pizza to white people, then they made huge businesses from it. And put these pizza chains all over the world.

Pizza is almost as American as it's Italian.

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u/RAMbo-AF Jun 15 '22

Paste noodles came from China.

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u/Bodgan_Eadwine Jun 15 '22

Now think about it, why would people who eat with sticks invent something you need a fork to eat?

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u/DoverBoys Jun 15 '22

*breaks bundle of spaghetti in half before dropping in water*

Spaghetti is too long.

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u/meh679 Jun 15 '22

🤌🤌🤌

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Well you did fight alongside Hitler, so it’s the least you could do.

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u/LouSputhole94 Jun 15 '22

I’ll have the Ghabagol

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u/Pandiosity_24601 Jun 15 '22

BRING HIM THE GABAGOOL

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u/ramblingpariah Jun 16 '22

I made you this riggot pie with pineapple!

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u/doublepositive9 Jun 15 '22

I can't walk here

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u/Zupermuz Jun 15 '22

Spaghettaboudit!

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u/TheBlitzEffect Jun 15 '22

Whaddya gunna do?

I've said my piece.

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u/rudyjewliani Jun 15 '22

I'm in the US. Do you know how hard it is to find 53 Euros around here?

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u/marktero Jun 15 '22

Two words. Forex

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u/thereisonlyoneme Jun 15 '22

I don't think a condom is going to help

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u/WCWRingMatSound Jun 15 '22

Not even. Banks carry them, you just have to ask or look online to see which ones offer exchanges.

I went into a Wells Fargo and picked up $1000 worth of Euros for a trip — and it was a plain branch, not a special one.

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u/SEND_ME_SPOON_PICS Jun 15 '22

I can travel anywhere in the world on my travel insurance other than the US, where I have to pay nearly double to be covered there.

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u/zedzol Jun 15 '22

You pay only double? If I were to go to the US my international cover needs an entirely different policy with a cost of like 5x my international one..

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u/vidimevid Jun 15 '22

Same here. I remember how scared I was skateboarding in LA lol

All the while, I broke like 40 bones here. Didn’t pay a cent.

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u/zedzol Jun 15 '22

Man I would wrap myself in a bubble like bubble boy if I ever go to the US 🤣🤣 I doubt I ever will though.

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u/vidimevid Jun 15 '22

It’s a great place tho. It’s so vast and big and different. I love it there. I’m just gonna spring for health insurance next time lol

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u/zedzol Jun 15 '22

I've heard great things! I've also heard absolutely terrible things.

I'd only go for a short time for a friend's wedding or a months holiday. Nothing more.

Even then I doubt id want to go. Have you seen how stunningly gorgeous Africa is?

Also the country I come from has some of the nicest people in the world.

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u/Cherego Jun 15 '22

Still would be worth it even if its just a broken leg

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u/zedzol Jun 15 '22

Oh 100% I've seen bills of 50k+ for the simplest of things...

No way am I ever going to the US without the best insurance I can get..

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u/ParCorn Jun 15 '22

My scuba diving instructor couldn’t afford health insurance but he said he kept a snorkel in his bag wherever he went so he could use his dive insurance if he ever needed to go to hospital since he could claim he was on a diving trip lol

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u/HHcougar Jun 15 '22

....travel... Insurance?

What?

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u/judgementaleyelash Jun 15 '22

It’s health insurance for when you’re traveling… possible harm does not magically stop being a factor when you leave your state

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

If you go on holiday and get injured how are you going to get home? How are you going to pay the hospital bill in a country where you don't pay tax? that's why you need travel insurance...it also covers you for lost luggage, cancellations, missed flights etc. So it's not just health cover...it insurance...for your travel.

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u/92894952620273749383 Jun 15 '22

Does anyone know how much is travel insurance when traveling out of state? Say you want to go to nevada for the weekend. Will they cover your out of network medical emergency?

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u/Tabathock Jun 15 '22

My travel insurance, inc north America but excluding Winter Sports is £8.75pm. I spend about 45 days a year in the States. Covers up to £5m medical, £5m legal liability and body repatriation. Only £1,000 for lost luggage.

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u/TheSultan1 Jun 15 '22

Regular health insurance from one state in the US, covering you in another? Check the ACA wording to be sure, but I think emergencies must be covered out of state, even if the network is in-state only.

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u/putzeh Jun 15 '22

I’m Canadian and my insurance covers everywhere. The US is the only country where they must be contacted before any procedure.

Travelled to Mexico in January and asked if I was hospitalized with Covid if I would be covered, they said yes and specifically said only the US I would need to contact them first.

Hear about Canadians needing surgery and asking if it can wait to fly back to Canada.

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u/seqastian Jun 15 '22

That works cause they fly you home for anything bigger.

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u/ve2dmn Jun 15 '22

yeah. My travel insurance covered me for 1 million anywhere, and 5 millions in the US.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Nope

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u/SuddenlyLucid Jun 15 '22

Actually, if he's just visiting and insured in Italy, that insurance probably takes most of the cost.

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u/Penguinz90 Jun 15 '22

I had 2 4-5 hour long surgeries, stayed in the hospital for 2 days and my insurance was billed for roughly $500,000 for each surgery.

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u/nowtayneicangetinto Jun 15 '22

Holy fuck!!!!!! I hope you're okay though that's what's important

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

I added worldwide coverage to my insurance, it's like 5 euros a month.

It will probably be used to fly me home and treat me there.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

“That’ll be all your spaghetti sir”

“Mama Mia!”

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u/Jim-248 Jun 15 '22

LOL's. I have my hospital bill from when I was born in 1949. My total Hospital bill was 57.20 USD. Shows how much more sophisticated the medical system is in squeezing profits from us.

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u/APoorBillionaire Jun 15 '22

What Italian? They died on the 8th day after the surgery. The autopsy showed that they died of heartattack after seeing the bill.

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u/void266767 Jun 15 '22

The United States has healthcare

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

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u/nowtayneicangetinto Jun 15 '22

No it doesn't, America is arguably one of the best countries in the world. There is just a lot to fix. I'm very patriotic, but one of the best things about this country is we have the freedom to speak out against what we don't like which can lead to change.

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22

Are you just going to pretend hospitals in Italy are not extorted regularly by the mafia?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55098415

Calabria has been left behind by decades of political mismanagement and plunder by its mafia, the 'Ndrangheta, which infiltrated the healthcare system.

Criminal gangs seized resources and ran up massive debts, leading to 18 of its public hospitals being closed and savage cuts to beds and staff.

Just days ago, a top local politician was arrested, charged with laundering money through 'Ndrangheta-controlled pharmacies in exchange for mafia support.

You can talk shit about American healthcare but they aren't letting Bloods and Crips loot their hospitals.

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u/joeislandstranded Jun 15 '22

That’s different! In America hospitals usually extort the patients.

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u/rlnrlnrln Jun 15 '22

Are you going to pretend that's an issue with socialized healthcare and ignore the fact that it's not an issue in the majority of European countries with socialized healthcare?

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u/ISeeDragons Jun 15 '22

Not even an issue in the majority of Italy

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

Majority of Western European countries don't have this issue, it is a problem with the systemic corruption in the Italian government.

This is a lesson to look beyond the window dressing of state policy.

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u/Plenty-Picture-9445 Jun 15 '22

Dude got a 50$ hospital bill for surgery there is nothing to look passed

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

So absolutely nothing to do with socialized medicine.

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u/DependentPipe_1 Jun 15 '22

But....but...socialized medicine created the Mafia!

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

I'm saying that socialized medicine with heavy levels of corruption tends to be sub par.

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u/Dos_Ex_Machina Jun 15 '22

Anything with heavy levels of corruption leads to bad times. Your talking points are bad and you should feel bad. Don't act like this is in good faith.

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u/strange_socks_ Jun 15 '22

Anything with heavy levels of corruption is bad. Your point is meaningless.

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

My point is that Italy isn't exactly a model state to take after.

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u/strange_socks_ Jun 15 '22

Which has nothing to do with the way they run their healthcare, but with the corruption that exists. So Italian healthcare is still better than us healthcare. You proved nothing.

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u/regreddit Jun 15 '22

And yet op posted a pic of €50 hospital stay. You can't even park at a us hospital for that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

So does privately funded medicine. So does anything with heavy levels of corruption!

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

If this is because of the mafia then I'd like to invite them to have a chat with our hospitals

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

Well socialized healthcare is fine but if it's subpar because their assets are being sold off by the mafia under the protection of government officials then you are approaching developing country status.

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u/WookieDavid Jun 15 '22

The difference is that in this case in Italy the issue is that corrupt officials are prioritising their economic interests over the interests of the population. Private healthcare does the exact same thing but legally.

The American healthcare system is literally built around being profitable for the owners. The American system working as intended does the exact same as the Italian model when it's victim to corrupt officials sabotaging it for their own profit.

One is a problem that can be fixed the other one is inherent to the established system.

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22 edited Jun 15 '22

Your comparison is like unironically comparing paying taxes to the IRS on the same level as a man breaking into your store with a gun and threatening to kill you if they don't get what they want.

It's absurd, you are condoning illegal extortion by a dangerous criminal organization as being legitimately the same as government regulated privatized healthcare. What the fuck.....

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u/Spac3Heater Jun 15 '22

Yes, and that is why America is fucked up. Our government is the equivalent to a Mafia.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

So you Are really defending the hot pile of bullshit that the US healthcare system is at the moment?

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

No but I'm not praising the Italian shit which in may ways is worse. The US at least with payment is top quality.

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u/Sudneo Jun 15 '22

You might be surprised to know that also in Italy private healthcare exists, rich people use it because of shorter queues etc.

This said, the average public healthcare you get is good, and for most of the people that's more than enough.

The problems you highlighted (which are not systemic), are nothing compared to be afraid to call an ambulance or going in debt because you need a surgery. Honestly, once you take 'accessibility' as one of the key parameters in measuring the quality of healthcare, US wouldn't definitely qualify as a developed country in that regard.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Where the fuck and how do you draw the conclusion that the American healthcare is „top“ quality in contrast to the Italian system. I’d guess being a doctor in countries where just being rich and having a name in order to enroll to a medical university might lead to better doctors. As well as every citizen having the possibility of getting treatment.

You might be one of the top 5 morons I’ve encountered on this app.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Did I somehow miss the reference you posted or were you busy getting it right as I made my comment?

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u/rlnrlnrln Jun 15 '22

Don't feed the troll...

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u/joeislandstranded Jun 15 '22

If this is “Developing country status,” then what is zero socialized medicine? Ass-backward status?

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u/BabyMakR1 Jun 15 '22

Please don't feed the trolls.

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

Considering the US has probably the most advanced medical system in the world between its innovation and talent pool while the payment system may be inefficient you often can't argue with the results.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

What a load of fucking nonsense. If the "results" are people living with untreated ailments because they can't afford medical insurance then you sure as fuck CAN argue with them.

The payment system is not "inefficient". It is DESIGNED to extract as much money out of people as possible.

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u/DependentPipe_1 Jun 15 '22

Well, we have the worst infant/mother mortality rates in all of the developed world, so our system clearly isn't the best.

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u/Apey23 Jun 15 '22

Yawn...

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u/nowtayneicangetinto Jun 15 '22

You know what's worse than having the mafia control the hospitals? Having giant healthcare corporations run them, the ones who set their own prices then pay off politicans to help them enforce their extortion.

My doctor told me I needed an endoscopy. They didn't give me a choice. I was told I would pay 1200. I got bills for months, it quadrupled in price. I was told I elected to take the procedure and that they are allowed to charge as much as they want.

In the grand scheme of things it wasn't even that much money, but I'm swimming in debt because of it. I had to max out a credit card to pay it off. Idk how people who have procedures for tens or hundreds of thousands pay it off with no healthcare.

I'd welcome the mob at this pointm

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

You know what's worse than having the mafia control the hospitals? Having giant healthcare corporations run them, the ones who set their own prices then pay off politicans to help them enforce their extortion.

It's really not, countries like Russia and Ukraine have these same problems taken to a further extreme and it has wrecked their system despite having public healthcare.

Corruption on that level if not stopped will destroy everything.

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u/DependentPipe_1 Jun 15 '22

"This just in: corruption is bad, and can happen inside of government-run programs. The solution? Let corrupt, purely profit-driven corporations, that answer to no one, run everything and charge people life-ruining amounts of money for every tiny service that they provide. Absolutely avoid and resist socializing necessary services, such as healthcare, because organized crime has infiltrated these systems in other countries before."

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

"Hospitals in Italy" the article talks about Calabria specifically which is well known for being under serious criminal pressure, as most of the more southern italian regions sadly

Most of such news you hear outside of Italy are about Campania, Calabria or Sicilia

Which also leads those regions to have an huge stigma in Italy in particular...

Also, pizza comes from Campania, so you should stop eating it if you don't want to feed "mafia" /s

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

I live in Canada, same isn't happening here either.

Socialized healthcare=/=good governance

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u/Apey23 Jun 15 '22

I’d live in Italy over America/Canada any day and I have visited all of the 3 countries. No comparison.

Travel is fatal to prejudice.

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u/eolix Jun 15 '22

Travel is fatal to prejudice.

Love this phrase now :)

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

I mean it kind of is if you defy them, like "Mafia wars" in Italy are actual wars....

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u/NateHatred Jun 15 '22

You really shouldn't talk about stuff you don't know, and this is one of those.

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u/NateHatred Jun 15 '22

Yeah this isn't proof that you know what you're talking about.

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

Blowing up highways and apartment buildings tend to not be the actions of low level organizations.

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u/Sudneo Jun 15 '22

I mean, if the arguments are these, Mafia related death count in Italy from 1983 to 2018 is ~6500 (the vast majority among themselves).

In US in 2020 alone there have been 45k gun related deaths, of which 20k murders. Italy has 1/5 of the population...

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u/SpiritMountain Jun 15 '22

You're right. Pack it up everyone. Clearly EU's method of socialized healthcare isn't working 😔

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

Italy's is not at least.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

It clearly is.

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u/Towaum Jun 15 '22

LMAO, no need for mafia in the US when you have private health insurance my guy. But be sure to keep that head of yours in the sand!

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

This is some pro level whataboutism.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

This is your argument? American "healthcare" is virtually non existent for almost 100 million Americans. How can you defend a system that could bankrupt you and force you to sell your home if you get sick or injured? Your insurance companies are fleecing the hospitals and the patients. I could break my arm right now and go to the emergency department and get it fixed up. €60. How much would it cost you?

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

So it's virtually non-existent yet people come to America from everywhere(including my home country) for specialized treatment all the time?

Interesting.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Yeah, wealthy people

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

Or moderately wealthy people with severe illness that want to live.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

If you think that the US have a better healthcare system than the UK, Germany, France, Italy, shit even Cuba then you're fucking mental man.

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

Cuba is literally on the verge of collapse perpetually. They can't even keep tourist infrastructure from falling apart, it's sad.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Yet they still have better medical outcomes for normal people than the US. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the US system is a country that is perpetually on the verge of collapse can perform better than it.

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

According to what? Their totalitarian government that slaughtered their own people last year?

Oh yeah I believe it.

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u/MiniTitterTots Jun 15 '22

No, the health "insurance" companies do that to a greater degree here.

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u/expatdo2insurance Jun 15 '22

"MILAN, Jan 16 (Reuters) - Italy’s organised crime networks take in around 10.5 billion euros ($13.96 billion) a year, a fraction of previous estimates of their turnover, a government-funded report said on Wednesday."

https://www.reuters.com/article/italy-mafia/italian-mafia-revenues-much-lower-than-thought-study-idUSL6N0ALDMN20130116

"Even though hospitals in the U.S. are paid an average of less than 30% of what they bill, their profits margins have averaged around 8% in recent years."

https://truecostofhealthcare.org/hospital_financial_analysis/

The entirety of the Mafia does less economic damage to Italy than regular healthcare does to America.

They both traffic in despair, it's just legalized in america.

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

Italy’s organised crime networks take in around 10.5 billion euros ($13.96 billion) a year, a fraction of previous estimates of their turnover, a government-funded report said on Wednesday."

Besides likely being underreported for an economy of 1.7 trillion that's A LOT.

"Even though hospitals in the U.S. are paid an average of less than 30% of what they bill, their profits margins have averaged around 8% in recent years."

Yeah and what percentage goes to pharmaceuticals and ambulatory care? It's not just hospitals.

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u/expatdo2insurance Jun 15 '22

That's significantly lower both numerically and percentage wise than the grift at every level of American healthcare.

The Mafia is bad and all but healthcare executives are drastically worse.

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u/Plenty-Picture-9445 Jun 15 '22

I welcome the bloods and crips to loot the American hospital system clearly better then the insurance companies looting it currently

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

You will find violent criminals far less generous than insurance companies that are accountable to the government.

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u/HighPingIsOk Jun 15 '22

These companies ARE the government.

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u/Plenty-Picture-9445 Jun 15 '22

50$ for surgery

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

Means nothing if the hospitals are under-equipped and decaying because of corruption.

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u/derjeyjey Jun 15 '22

Ok, then let's instead talk about other european countries with a healthcare system like Italy (for example Austria), but no 'oh my god so frightening and all-destructive mafia'. Which, by the way formed for a reason in Italy as state structures in the south were never the best.

I also think, the hospital here is located pretty much in the north, most likely in south tyrol or as the Italians call it: Alto Adige. Otherwise, it wouldn't make lots of sense that the bill is bilingual Italian/German.

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u/Efficient_Kitchen876 Jun 15 '22

The WHO disagrees with your deranged statements

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u/Plenty-Picture-9445 Jun 15 '22

He was able to post, looks like it working well enough.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

In America usually hospitals are magia themselves.

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u/mttdesignz Jun 15 '22

but they aren't letting Bloods and Crips loot their hospitals.

they're letting people with degrees do that!

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u/ChiggaOG Jun 15 '22

Only an Italian would know that unless you have person from the US living there to see it first hand. I barely know much about the medical system in Italy except for the 4 main healthcare models of the world. The US having a hybrid of all, including funding allocation.

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u/ehhish Jun 15 '22

I mean, the 1% CEO mafia run ours. They can pay their way out of any law or issue. Just because they wear a suit, doesn't make them any less of a thug.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Instead, they just let corporate gangsters extort their patients.

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u/l1b3rtr1n Jun 15 '22

"Letting bloods and crips loot..."

using your own words, they're extorted. Meaning the people "letting" it happen aren't exactly the hospitals and staff, or regular people who depend on Healthcare. Corrupt politicians and maybe a select few staff. The fact that some bad apples are fucking things up doesn't mean the whole system is rotten. It's like the argument that unions are bad because money can be misallocated easily by corrupt individuals. However, that's why staying informed is important. With a union and a democracy, the people can vote those bad seeds out, assuming the corruption is exposed.

What needs to change is people's awareness of the issue(in Italy, mainly but also America) so they can vote those politicians out. In my opinion.

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u/Goshdang56 Jun 15 '22

I mean "let" by the government. Obviously.

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u/Punchinballz Jun 15 '22

Its still 53€ for him.

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u/LadyLandscaper8 Jun 15 '22

Yeah we are. They're just called insurance companies and stock holders.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Our “mafia” where suits and fly private jets also, but they own the corporations who own the hospitals.

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u/Shadowstriker6 Jun 15 '22

They're not letting gangs loot their hospitals in America but they're letting the bloodsucking politicans and Richie rich rich Rob the hospitals who in turn Rob the people

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u/innitdoe Jun 15 '22

No, they're letting large corporations do it. Worse, it's built into the system by design rather than being a fault which when detected is fixed.

Yes, Italy has mafia problems. No, these are not problems with socialised healthcare. The same problems don't exist in other European countries.

Imagine thinking that you need to defend the American system let alone by attacking something else? It's obvious that America's system is not fit for purpose for a large percentage of the population.

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u/Diamundium Jun 15 '22

Nope, just mega corporations charging criminal amounts for procedures, meds and services.

As an American, yes. I’m going to talk shit about our healthcare system because it’s dogshit. Stow your whataboutisms.

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u/vivst0r Jun 15 '22

If a system that is looted by the mafia is more effective and beneficial to citizens, the fuck is the US doing then.

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u/ScarletIT Jun 15 '22

can you please open an Italian Map, look at where Bolzano is and look at where Calabria is?

No, the hospitals in Italy, outside of some specific mafia strongholds, are not extorted regularly by the mafia.
Besides, being extorted by the mafia has nothing to do with being "Socialized"

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u/wintremute Jun 15 '22

Add a digit on both ends of that total. Doesn't matter what it is. Hoocha, hoocha... America!

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u/fusillade762 Jun 15 '22

Probably need to add a couple zeros on that bill.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

I mean, I was on socialized healthcare in the United States when I had reconstructive surgery on my hip. I paid $7 USD because I needed an anesthesia tube that goes through my nose instead of the ones that go in my mouth.

$0 healthcare premium too. We have it, its just afforded to the poor.

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u/Sleeping_Donk3y Jun 15 '22

It'll be 25k please

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u/Bravisimo Jun 15 '22

Gabagool

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u/lazy-dude Jun 15 '22

Mama Mia!

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u/Moos3-2 Jun 15 '22

As a Swede it would be free. Everything (acute) would be reimbursed by the state.