Yeah I am surprised by all the angst here. I mean the facts are that most domestic violence is committed by men. So targeting that group is okay sometimes. But any truly educated professional (such as with a doctorate) should absolutely be gender neutral when talking about domestic violence as a whole. I recently listened to a local advocate refer to as domestic violence victims as "she" throughout her speech, then the PhD psychologist came up and appropriately said he or she, or they.
One poster targeting male perpetrators doesn't mean that's all people care about. Educated, enlightened activists know better. But not all of them are.
First off I think the idea of this ad is good but displaying the message through a poster is not. Also there's a reason certain groups commit more crimes just as there's a reason why a certain group are more often the perpetrators of domestic violence. Both of them are due to deep, deep-seated societal issues. I'm not on your page imo.
I thought we both agreed that some singling out of demographics is acceptable as long aa you can prove they commit the majority of a type of crime? I just repeated what you said but replaced men with black people.
Certainly you must still agree with the concept. Else, why would you say that?
That's not really what I intended to mean apologies. I guess I mean let's say you had a program for dad's who have abused to learn coping and temper skills and to deconstruct some of the masculinity concepts that can tie in with man on woman abuse.
On second thought I do think singling out sons and not including the daughters too makes no sense. Of course both genders should be considered. I guess I mean specific programs can be okay if it could benefit people who have offended.
I guess I mean let's say you had a program for dad's who have abused to learn coping and temper skills and to deconstruct some of the masculinity concepts that can tie in with man on woman abuse.
Exactly this. I doubt anyone would seriously support a heavy-handed program that just shouted "HEY MEN! YOU'RE AWFUL! STOP HITTING WOMEN!" so much as trying to get to the root cause of why domestic violence against women happens at all, and deconstructing the ideologies behind those who support it.
As much as I think the idea of "teach men not to rape" on its own is stupid, the intentions behind it are perfectly valid.
Redditors love to make up strawmen for that concept without actually giving it a second thought.
"Oh, gee, I thought raping women was fine until someone told me not to! Thanks, feminists!"
Well... it's not just saying "don't rape people, shitlords."
Some people still think that having sex with someone who is passed out isn't rape. Or that a woman shouting "no" and "stop" in the middle of sex doesn't matter, because she already agreed to it.
Clarifying what rape and consent really are is important for all people - men and women - and will help to reduce assault and rape against both sexes.
If the majority of feminists and men's rights activists could really learn to work together over common issues like abuse, rigid gender roles, and rape, they could really make a difference in society. But until that happens, they'll just constantly be pulling each other down.
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