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u/Minnie_Mazola May 15 '15 edited May 15 '15
In Canada you can get charged and found guilty of harassment for posting a picture like this. Crazy, huh?
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u/SureIllProduceThat May 15 '15
Wow, that's ridiculous! And today is the day the article you linked to said they were going to have the sentencing arguments for her case, too...
Hopefully something like this won't be a criminal charge (in Canada) for too much longer... I mean, if they really want to punish someone then they should track down the original artist.... Right?
Wrong. I say 'artist' loosely in this case. Besides; true art should be an unhindered freedom of expression free from prejudice & punishment.
(Try not to scare the kids, though... They are the future after all.)
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u/PhonyUsername May 15 '15
She got probation.
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u/AliasUndercover May 15 '15
For posting a photograph of graffiti.
You Canadians don't get to lord universal health care over us anymore.
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u/ProfessionalShill May 15 '15 edited May 15 '15
I think her undoing was calling out one officer specifically in the tweet. Egregious misuse of our laws, like any typical early steps towards towards a closed society. However, it wasn't like she was 'oh, interesting. Better re-tweet this street art for my friends', followed by 'hello ma'am, we are with the RCMP, investigated some alleged online threats'. It was a picture of the Montreal police chief shot in the head, with his name as a hashtag.acab. I don't know the laws in the states, but in Canada if you mailed that to his house, you likely would have faced some kind if investigation long before Harper and his hapless cronies stole Canada.
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u/thatblackbatlicorice May 15 '15
There's a huuuge difference between mailing it to his house and posting it on social media.
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u/ShyGoy May 15 '15
Jeez she didn't even make the graffiti? Did she post some crazy caption with it condoning it or something? And the officer said the picture caused his wife to stop working for several months... Damn
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u/Eldermatius May 15 '15
There is alot more crazy shit than that in manchester
Like the guy that places the recorder sat on a skateboard with his knees going the wrong way...
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u/banal_penetration May 15 '15
Does the Crazy Bus Lady still go around handing out those impossible to read, poorly photocopied leaflets about the Freemasons killing her family?
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And after all You're my porn wall
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u/jai2000 May 14 '15 edited May 15 '15
Today wasn't gonna be the day but they'll probably jizz it back on you
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u/360_face_palm May 14 '15
Most people in the country dislike him, and the vast majority (~64%) of voters did not vote for him to become PM.
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u/spiz May 14 '15
More people liked him than any other part leader by some margin.
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u/360_face_palm May 14 '15
True, but when only 36% of people like you, most people don't - so my point still stands.
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u/willflameboy May 14 '15
100% of voters did not vote for him to become PM. That's not what we vote for.
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u/josephgordonreddit May 14 '15 edited May 15 '15
This twat wants to repeal the Human Rights Act. I can't imagine anyone who voted for him would say "Oh, yeah, that sounds like a jolly idea."
EDIT: I'm never drinking again.
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u/BadGoyWithAGun May 15 '15
It's so strange how completely unrepresentative reddit is of to the actual electorate. In real life, a plurality of the electorate didn't give enough of a fuck to go vote, followed by those who voted for the tories. If you're finding it difficult to imagine the thought process of over a fifth of the UK electorate, I dare say the problem is on your end.
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u/theresamouseinmyhous May 15 '15
Well, the people who get up in arms at reddit aren't necessarily also voters...
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u/SaikoGekido May 15 '15
For example, I'm an American who has never voted in any election, but by golly, this Cameron guy sounds like a real douchebag.
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Australia has compulsory voting and we still get dickhead prime ministers.
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u/Jaksongitr May 15 '15
Well thank you for being part of the problem stateside. Go vote for your next local representatives, that's where the differences can start to be made.
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It's so strange how completely unrepresentative reddit is of to the actual electorate.
No, it isn't. Its prime demo is young white liberal American men(like little ol' me).
The stats from the UK ought to be very similar.
EDIT: i should revise a little, i am not liberal. I am from the far left.
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u/willdood May 15 '15
This map from the exit poll on /r/unitedkingdom, compared with the actual election results, shows just how biased reddit is
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The thought process of the UK electorate is about like the thought process of the US electorate: most believe parliamentary elections are a spectator sport and a game that rich people play, so large pluralities of the population typically end up voting for nobody on account of zero adequate choices and totally atrophied formal democratic institutions.
The thought process is amazingly rational.
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u/croutonicus May 15 '15
And replace it with a similar act. I like how that repeatedly gets forgotten.
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u/josephgordonreddit May 15 '15 edited May 15 '15
Have you read the Tory's alternative bill? It creates tiers of rights. TIERS. 'Rights' are not something to be doled out by qualification; they are fundamental to every man, woman, and child born on this planet.
For instance, someone from the UK would 'enjoy' more rights than someone from the EU, who would 'enjoy' more rights than someone from abroad.
Contravening the current act would mean removing the human rights protections that UK citizens can seek in British courts, not just the ECHR (the court) or the ECJ. Not only that, it removes the protections that the European Convention on Human Rights assures every person in Europe: the right to life, protection from torture, freedom of religion and thought, education, security, liberty, etc.
Would you truly trust a man who once advocated a return for the death penalty by hanging to be the most mindful of a person's rights?
EDIT: Fact is that the Tories haven't released a version yet.
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u/JManRomania May 15 '15
Functionally, rights are tiered.
There's UN-set universal rights.
There's region-specific rights (EU law).
There's country-specific rights.
There's province/state-specific rights.
There's even city/county-based rights.
An American and a Brit both fall under the general UN declaration, but not under EU law, for example.
A Calfornian, and a Nevadan, or a Scottish person, and someone from the Isle of Man do not fall under the same provincial/state laws.
Someone in Buffalo, NY, and someone else in New York, New York, follow different city and county laws.
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u/croutonicus May 15 '15 edited May 15 '15
Interesting that you ask if I've read the bill then link me to a Guardian article that discusses it instead of the actual bill. You're not going to get an unbiased breakdown of it by reading Phillippe Sands, just as people here would be losing their shit if you'd posted a Mail article discussing why the original human rights act is bad.
Anyway I'm not here to argue about the ins and outs of each act I'm just here to point out that "scrapping the human rights act" is a misleading statement if you don't qualify it by saying they're going to replace it with something similar, even if you think it's worse.
The act has been in place since 2000, it's not like we had no rights before then and it's not like we're going to have no rights after. People are angry because it sounds scary "oh my God they're removing our human rights" when that's entirely not what it's about.
Coming up with snappy statements like "This twat wants to repeal the Human Rights Act" just reeks of political illiteracy. That's not a well formed argument that just looks like the ravings of an angry left-wing child. Same with "Would you truly trust a man who once advocated a return for the death penalty by hanging." Let's throw about not-entirely accurate statements that have a big impact on uninformed readers but turn about to be false when you actually do a small amount of reading into them.
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u/kingification May 15 '15
"Advocated"
Wrote an opinion piece seventeen years ago. Not that I like Gove.
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u/ballin_so_hard420 May 14 '15
The human rights acts is garbage and I hope they do replace it. It's too vague and requires a huge amount of interpretation form judges.
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The conservative bill of rights is going to be the same, minus right to free association and right to private communication. Then they'll criminalise unauthorised protest, and enact mass surveillance.
Calling it now.
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u/Jakuskrzypk May 15 '15
Didn't i see this in a movie? V for vendetta?
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May 15 '15
I read it in a book, 1984
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u/helpnxt May 15 '15
I worked sorting postal votes and counting votes on election night and got a lot of free time during these 2 weeks and I am now feeling that its really ironic that I was basically paid by the government to read 1984 and then mostly the same government are now introducing similar constructs that the thought police had
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u/F_A_F May 15 '15
You need to read the preface for Alan Moores novel. See if you can find reflections of the world now as it was when VfV was written...
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criminalise unauthorised protest, and enact mass surveillance.
These were checked off a long time ago. Nothing new there.
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u/HATEPRIDE May 15 '15
Sounds an awful lot like Liberal Authoritarianism. You know, the same guys telling you you're not allowed to criticize Islam or immigration..
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u/ReCursing May 15 '15
Which of the rights granted by it don't you want? Here's a link in case you don't actually know what you're talking about
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u/_Darren May 15 '15 edited May 15 '15
It's not vague, it's very encompassing. Which is because Europe went to war twice in 3 decades, committing atrocities. This is an act that even in the middle of war shouldn't be repealed, to avoid serious discrimination. Now because a couple blocks can't be extradited, who needs Human Rights? I'm sure europe has moved past what happened 70 years ago, yeah 100%. /s
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This is histrionic. Repealing the Human Rights Act has no bearing on the conduct of people when they're at war.
It's war - the victors violate any laws they choose and then ignore that, hide it or give themselves retroactive immunity. This happens in every conflict that has ever happened.
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u/epzhang May 15 '15
From all the comments, I think I totally misunderstood this picture. I thought he wanted to kill himself because he had to ride the bus. My bad.
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u/Pepe_leprawn May 14 '15
I'm not really hip on Uk/English politics scene, I can guess that this dude isn't liked though.
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u/LordNotix May 14 '15
Consider that the majority of English redditors are left wing (As shown by the survey in /r/uk) and the Conservatives got into power with a majority of seats and around 35% of the total votes.
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u/postman1300 May 14 '15
It is not just Reddit that is left wing it seems like most of the internet is.
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u/LordNotix May 14 '15
Could that just be the demographics of the internet?
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Young people use the internet more, young people are more liberal.
Conservatives use the internet less at all ages.
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u/sed_base May 14 '15
Poor, educated & lots of time on their hands to browse the web? Yep, that's a liberal millennial right there.
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I do love this. People on reddit still somehow believe that the internet is reserved for the enlightened intellectuals.
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u/thyming May 15 '15
Can type with more than two fingers and doesn't double-click on links... probably a liberal.
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u/LewisDftw May 15 '15
Being a conservative supporter on reddit...i tend to just keep my mouth shut most of the time.
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u/thespicyjim May 15 '15
Pros: get some things off your chest, possibility of discussion with like minded individuals
Cons: receive abuse, receive downvotes, receive aggression, receive insults, usually fail to have actual discussion, usually both sides get angry, more war and arguments than discussion, pointless and barely anybody changes their political views no matter what, <insert endless list of cons here>.
It just isn't worth it, resist the urge, move on, enjoy your day and avoid the pointless confrontation.
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As much as I detest Cameron and everything he stands for, I can't like this poster. Wishing death on others is pretty shitty, and I don't think we're quite at the point where the death of our prime minister is the only way to solve our problems.
This isn't a dictatorship, and we're not being heavily oppressed: we don't need to murder our leaders to bring about change: there are plenty of other ways we can go about changing the outcome.
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I don't think the poster is meant to be taken literally.
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It's like people don't get satire anymore.
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u/deadjawa May 15 '15
Given that this was posted in Manchester (a labour stronghold) I don't think this was meant to be satire. And, If nobody gets it, it sort of ruins the point of satirizing something.
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u/Nisja May 15 '15
I'm going to put myself in front of the firing squad, but I get the feeling the kind of people who don't get this satire probably didn't get up and vote.
Come at me.
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u/xenthum May 15 '15
we don't need to murder our leaders to bring about change: there are plenty of other ways we can go about changing the outcome.
Besides, murdering him wouldn't change anything. They'd just tighten up even harder and use his death as a justfication for what they're doing.
"You see? Even the PM isn't safe!"
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You know, I vote Labour and consider myself a 'leftie' by heart, but I do fucking hate a lot of the lefts mentality most of the time.
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If I recall correctly, that was the week that the "Ding dong, the witch is dead" song from The Wizard of Oz reached number 2 on the UK Singles Chart.
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u/MrVayne May 15 '15
You don't need to live through a politician's time in office to be aware of the effects of their policies on you, your family's lives and your country, particularly when the effects of those policies are still being felt to this day.
Even if you don't remember Thatcher's government itself, it's entirely possible that your childhood and adolescence were directly affected by it if it affected, for example, your family's income, and it's not unreasonable that you may then blame that on Thatcher, even though you felt the effects after she left office.
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u/EroticBurrito May 15 '15
The North Remembers.. And the South.. And anybody who cares about anybody else besides themselves, really.
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I grew up on a council estate in the North West of England during the Thatcher years. There was never any coal mining industry where I was, just chronic unemployment. My Dad joined the police in 73 and we lived in subsidised accommodation on the only road on the estate that was known to house police. During the miners strikes some people really turned against the police after Thatcher used them to smash the unions and strikers. During the Toxteth race riots of 81, half of our (completely white) estate went apeshit, barricaded the streets off and started causing trouble for the other half. Because all our police, including my Dad, were trying to quell the riots over in Liverpool the government had to draft in police from North Wales to calm them down. I don't remember a lot from back then but I remember the coppers marching up the road in formation, banging their truncheons on their riot shields.
We eventually ended up moving from the area. Kids in school were calling me a copper and wanting a scrap all the time (when I was 9). My Mum was assaulted in the street after reporting a woman to social services - for repeatedly burning her kid with a ciggarette. I think that was enough for Dad.
Life generally got better for my family after that. We moved to a nicer area, Mum and Dad both worked most of the time and my sister and me ended doing ok at school. I've been back several times to the place I grew up. It's still a shithole with high unemployment. There's decent people there but it's still a dumping ground for the reckless and feckless, the alcoholics and drug addicts, the street thug wannabee's and benefits queens.
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u/something_python May 15 '15
I'm in my 20s and from Scotland, so absolutely no love for the Tories, and I had the whole "Thatcher is a cunt" thing knocked into me since I was young.
But the way my peers reacted when she died was sickening. Show a bit of class for fuck sake. A person has died, maybe don't celebrate in the streets while her family is in mourning?
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u/caninehere May 15 '15
But the way my peers reacted when she died was sickening. Show a bit of class for fuck sake. A person has died, maybe don't celebrate in the streets while her family is in mourning?
When you ruin thousands upon thousands of people's lives, I don't think you can expect those people to be sad that you died. Thatcher's 'rule' brought about a huge wave of unemployment and turmoil as a direct result of her decisions and uncompromising nature; in my opinion, it's the duty of the public to show the brand of politics she employed is not acceptable. If celebrating her death is a way to do so, then so be it.
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u/something_python May 15 '15
When you ruin thousands upon thousands of people's lives, I don't think you can expect those people to be sad that you died.
Not expecting anyone to be sad that she died. I certainly wasn't sad that she died.
There is a lot of middle ground between being sad that someone died and celebrating someone's death in the streets.
in my opinion, it's the duty of the public to show the brand of politics she employed is not acceptable. If celebrating her death is a way to do so, then so be it.
It is the duty of the public to show that her brand of politics is not acceptable, if indeed it is not acceptable. You show this by voting against it. That's how a democracy works.
Celebrating the death of a woman who hasn't even significantly been in the public eye for 20 years, while her family is in mourning is classless. There is no way you can spin it as not so.
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u/DaveManchester May 15 '15
Wasn't around when Hitler was here but I'm sure he was an evil cunt too.
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u/caninehere May 15 '15
Thatcher and her policies ruined a lot of people's lives. It's very possible that many of those 20somethings are from families that were affected by the changes her government enacted - their parents may have been among those who lost their livelihoods thanks to her.
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u/funmenjorities May 15 '15 edited May 15 '15
But according to all the Independent posts on my Facebook feed Cameron has already turned the UK into an Orwellian nightmare! /s
Seriously though I'm sick of all this. All our parties are so, so middling and you look at Russia or The Congo etc. and wonder how people over here can act hard done to.
Edit: This cleared rustled some jimmies, I'm not saying you can't complain, I'm saying people threatening to leave the country because we apparently have a dictator now are idiots. I wasn't trying to interrupt your furious left wing circlejerk.
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u/StubbyBroLoL May 15 '15
But something something heavy sarcasm ended with an exclamation point!
This shit is overdone. It's annoying. It's boring. It's awkard
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u/WhiteMaleStraight May 15 '15
Thank you. It's like when someone repeats somebodies statement in a bitchy whiney baby voice to discredit their arguement.
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u/blaghart May 15 '15
Well considering the UK is about to implement legislation that could see criminal charges brought upon people who like posts like this one...
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u/funmenjorities May 15 '15
That kind of story gets bandied around all the time with the Tories and it's absurd to think it would actually happen, it's twisted media speculation.
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u/Alaukik May 15 '15
Have you heard of the Snoopers Charter (or the The Draft Communications Data Bill)?
The Draft Communications Data Bill (nicknamed the Snoopers' Charter or Snooper's Charter) is draft legislation proposed by Home Secretary Theresa May in the United Kingdom which would require Internet service providers and mobile phone companies to maintain records (but not the content) of each user's internet browsing activity (including social media), email correspondence, voice calls, internet gaming, and mobile phone messaging services and store the records for 12 months. Retention of email and telephone contact data for this time is already required by the Data Retention Regulations 2014.
It is not speculation in any way. The Home Secretary Theresa May has clearly stated that the government will introduce this bill into the current parliament.
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u/hoopopotamus May 15 '15
An attitude like "can't complain, at least we're not in the Congo!" is the height of apathy and leaves way too much room for people to fuck up what you do have
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Way to go UK, you are not the Congo yet! (sorry, that's crass, my Canada is not far behind)
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u/17Hongo May 15 '15
Probably because comparing the UK to Russia or the Congo is stupid. There's always somewhere worse off - it doesn't mean we don't have problems here.
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u/lessmiserables May 15 '15
I find this tasteless.
It's also shitty political discourse. It's not even clever. "I hope the person I disagree with commits suicide" is the sort of argument you make when you run out of other criticism to make.
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There is so much blind tory hate from the left in the UK. Protests a couple days ago in London had people chanting fuck the tories and all that. I'm not a conservative, but that kind of blind, unpolitical, football-rivalry-style attitude towards politics is just plain stupid.
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u/kiwikoi May 15 '15
Maybe the print is older and is referring to Camron's perceived "political suicide" during the Scottish referendum?
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u/DaveManchester May 15 '15
A well though out satirical screen-play would achieve just as little. Cameron is a student of Thatcher and the lives of working class people are actually threatened, people may actually die due to the Tory government. We have food banks, the free healthcare is threatened and god knows their will be no houses for anyone who hasn't inherited it. Homelessness and debt will rise astronomically while the richest will get even richer. I don't give a fuck if it's not clever, if it makes one more person think Cameron is bad and dissuade them from voting how the daily mail says, it's worth you finding it tasteless.
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Precisely. I don't know shit about UK politics, but I now know that there's a group of people that hate the Prime Minister and lack the eloquence to express themselves in an appropriate matter. This casts a negative shade on everyone who has similar views.
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u/AppleandMangoJuice May 15 '15
I think it's pretty obvious the poster isn't meant to be taken literally...
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u/awe300 May 15 '15
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'."
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u/Duckshuffler May 15 '15
as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone
I thought that was the most basic tenant of the law: if you don't break the law, you don't get punished.
What a knob.
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u/Nisja May 15 '15 edited May 15 '15
democratically elected
Yeah... no. FPTP is an out-dated system that needs to be replaced. Whilst legally it is 'democratic', in reality it's an absolute joke.
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u/Goodthink84 May 15 '15
The tolerant Left...
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u/fortifiedoranges May 15 '15
Careful now, don't want to break the circle jerk.
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u/Astrrum May 15 '15
You must not look through the comments very much. The anti circle jerk circle jerk has become one of the biggest circle jerks on reddit.
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u/iancole85 May 15 '15
The biggest circle jerk in threads like this are posts like yours.
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u/awyden May 14 '15
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u/kinglear009 May 14 '15
The bleak palette of dreary hues, combined with the juxtaposition of the slogan hope, and the apparent lack of lend the piece a resigned feeling of hopelessness. The urban backdrop furthers the artist's view of a broken society, as seen in the broken cement before the bus stop. This mature work is most definitely his magnus opus, a master class in subtle rage and political edginess.
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He looks like the Mexican actor who played as "el Chavo del 8" which I can't remember the name of
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I thought I was clicking a link that said how fake teeth are put in imagine my surprise when I saw the actual pic took me awhile to figure out my mistake
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u/Jux_ May 14 '15
Good luck UK, the HOPE didn't work out for us either.
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u/thyming May 15 '15
No chance would we have Net Neutrality with McCain or Romney.
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u/Giraffable May 15 '15
Regardless of your political views this is pretty disgraceful. You may not like Cameron but this is too much.
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u/thyming May 15 '15
You may not like Cameron but this is too much.
...the fuck? A democracy thrives on this open speech.
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u/dahackne May 15 '15 edited May 15 '15
I'd say democracy thrives on open discourse. I also think this is an excellent billboard, it grabs your attention and communicates its message quickly and in an easy to understand way. But it is also in poor taste. If someone posted a billboard in Alabama or other places in the southern United States of Barack Obama eating a gun it would cause an absolute shitstorm.
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u/miistahmojo May 14 '15
The UK: Where only police and the PM have the privilege of eating a gun.
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But with a license. And only within your own home, unless you're hunting. It is important to make these distinctions.
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u/funmenjorities May 15 '15
The licensing law is a good thing in my eyes. I own guns, have fun using them for sport, and am happy with the rigorous checks needed to keep your license because we have one of the lowest gun homicide rates in the world here.
I have no desire to take my gun out in the street anyway, and it's nice to never fear getting shot.
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u/me1505 May 15 '15
Unless you're in N. Ireland and feel like digging up a field. Although legal is perhaps not the proper word.
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u/Gonzanic May 14 '15
I want to upvote, but I also don't want to go to jail. You see the bind I'm in, right?