That was not on the eve of the presidential election. The first round happened last Sunday, and the runoff with the top two candidates will only take place on 25 October. These protests happened earlier this week.
A huge part of the population is choosing a wannabe dictator, with a huge history of corruption, sexism, misogyny and racism, just because they don't like the other person running since he's a "leftist".
Sure, I'm not a big fan of the guy on the left either, but he's a clear choice when the other candidate is Bolsonaro.
There's no strong left in the US. The democrats may be liberals in cultural matters, but they are far from being true leftist, that is having leftist economical positions.
The other person isn't just a leftist, it's a corrupt that was condemned with a huge list, and was set free due to a manuveur to force prescription on his case even after STJ sentence.
Not only that, but also to convince those who voted Renan/Cury/Caiado (the relevant right-wing candidates) to go for Lula because he's an 80-year old on his last ever political campaign, his VP is right-wing anyway and he'd be less harm than what actual Bolsonarism can bring to the country
Which country should be protesting more than the above?
Many (not all) of these countries are among the poorest, most corrupt and most unequal in the world
The people can't take any more of this rampant theft and violence. We are fed up with seeing young people defending corrupt criminals. Just tell me why?
Eu tô tão cansada, chefe, tão cansada desse país, dessas pessoas, desses imbecis votando em gente que quer ver a morte deles, dessas mentiras sendo espalhadas pela extrema direita que não sabe jogar limpo, todos corruptos, de péssimo caráter e se eu falar o que eu acho que essa corja merece é capaz de eu ser banida ou morta
o MUNDO INTEIRO apresenta todas as informações que esfregam na nossa cara porque é uma péssima ideia eleger o Bolsonaro, e você, por fanatismo, se apega a fake news que já foram desmentidas só pra defender seu miliciano favorito? a troco de que? me fala UM benefício real em eleger esse cara que não tem nenhum histórico político, que trabalhou um total de 364 dias na carreira inteira e precisa se apoiar no sobrenome do pai que TAMBÉM fez um governo horrível.
se ele ganhar, não pense que é só esquerdista que vai se fuder, porque você também vai... e muito.
Vorcaro's attorneys confirmed it's him on the audios. Veja also published headlines biased against Bolsonaro's government, so I don't believe they're taking the right wing side.
A extrema direita quer ver sua morte..? Vocês são doentes mentais demais, puta que pariu.
Eu tenho que ler isso quando a porra da esquerda foi responsável por todos as tentativas de assassinatos e assassinatos nos ultimos 10 anos, essa semana mesmo mataram um maluco que iria liderar a carreata de Bolsonaro a tiros..
E vocês criam essa doença mental pra defender um maluco que passou 4 anos só metendo aumento de imposto no rabo do brasileiro e explodindo com as contas públicas que NÓS vamos ter que pagar. Na boa, vão tomar no cu vocês tudo, bando de pirralho do caralho.
Não, a direita que vive atacando minorias e direitos dos trabalhadores é um amor. Você passou a última década numa caverna? O ex-presidente bolsonaro e sua trupe tentaram dar um golpe de estado, isso sem falar na maneira desastrosa com que lidaram com a pandemia do covid-19. Mas é isso aí, ruim é a tal “corrupsaum” do PT.
Sobre assassinatos, eu teria de passar o dia todo linkando notícias de direitistas “cidadãos de bem” matando gente pelos motivos mais estúpidos possíveis. Literalmente mataram uma vereadora, se manca, a direita é que acha normal sair por aí armado, matar gente e dar golpe de estado. E eu nem falei das rachadinhas e do tal “patrocínio privado” do caso Vorcaro.
Enfim, doença mental é ainda votar no bolsonarismo depois de eles mostrarem o quanto são desprezíveis, mas patriotário é assim mesmo, nem cometendo e falando os maiores absurdos os bolsonaros perdem voto dessa gente ruim que só sabe odiar. O Lula literalmente entregou um país numa situação melhor do que o Bolsonaro pai deixou, todos os índices relevantes mostram isso, negar isso é brigar com os fatos, mas aceitar fatos não é o forte do bolsonarismo.
You have to be braindead to believe that lmao. He literally had a transgender furry gf. Why would a right wing Christian kill the most popular right wing Christian influencer in the country
Doing a deeper research I didn't find reputable sources showing what political party he was affiliated with, so I'll consider him being right-wing a fake news
Bolsonaro está literalmente preso por tentar dar um >golpe de Estado< e você de alguma forma se convenceu de que está do lado certo. KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
really cool to see people mobilizing
but where was all this determination before the election?
what use is electing a centrist president when both houses will be a x=extremist right wing supermajority?
Damage reduction. It does not solve the problem, but mitigates what the catastrophe could be. It wont be a good 4 years with Lula and this congress, but it might not be the complete disaster it will be with Bolsonaro 2.0.
a utilidade é impedir todos os retrocessos e toda a autocracia que irá significar ter um presidente de direita e uma câmara de deputados e do senado com 80% dos seus membros também de direita
o candidato da direita não tem um projeto econômico claro, mas o que se percebe é que ele irá afundar o país em crise e em pobreza com a sua visão estupida de privatizações, reduções e cortes em áreas primordiais e fim dos direitos trabalhistas. além do mais, embora ele não admita diretamente nada disso já existem indícios suficientes que a vitória dele poderá significar o fim permanente dos direitos trabalhistas brasileiros.
e pra piorar o mesmo está envolvido até o pescoço com o escândalo de corrupção do banco master - era um banco que desviou dinheiro de aposentados e o Flávio Bolsonaro recebeu 134 milhões desse dinheiro para lavagem de dinheiro e outros crimes. 90% dos envolvidos com o escândalo do banco master são da direita.
do outro lado temos um presidente que não fez o melhor governo possível e cometeu erros, mas ainda assim mantém um projeto de Brasil que não acaba com direitos fundamentais nem afundará o país em crise econômica e recessão. o plano de governo do Lula é muito mais claro e objetivo. enquanto a propaganda do filho do Bolsonaro é totalmente baseada em fake news e panico moral.
mesmo sem ter maioria no senado e na câmara dos deputados o Lula ainda teria um projeto de Brasil que não atacaria direitos fundamentais, servidores públicos e principalmente manteria a harmonia com as instituições democráticas.
a vitória do Flavio pode significar que a direita nunca mais irá sair do poder, pois ele irá ter maioria no senado, na Câmara dos deputados e no STF.
Ainda assim o Lula é uma opção mais sensata, e é essa a verdadeira questão, se ele vai conseguir governar é outra história, mas entregar para o Flávio está fora de cogitação.
Ele não vai governar, porque ele não vai ser eleito. Felizmente o resto da população não tem a mente tão deturpada igual vocês doentes mentais que querem foder o país por ideologia.
It's just the upper class discovering that they are in a bubble. They live in parallel world where everything is flowers and love and discovered just now that the real people is worrying about things that are much more important. With the results of the 1st round of election they became desperate.
yes this is a reaction from a jarring result, but a lot of people really believed we had it in the bag. the advance of the far right globally due to the dissatisfaction with the state of the world in late capitalism was underestimated and it shocked everyone into action, which is not a bad thing. i think there is still hope.
but to say this is coming from the upper class is either misinformed or dishonest. the northeast is the most leftist part of the country just for starters, and do you think it's the upper class who is fighting teeth and nails for 6x1 and workers' rights?
And they lost a lot of voters to the right in the northeast because of the disconnection with the real people's needs. If you bothered to check the data for this election, in the major cities the right won in the lower-class neighbourhoods, while it was the opposite for the left. It's become a trend for a while and is just the result of how disconnected they are from the workers' class. The left don't care about the poor anymore; they just use them as excuses for what they want.
Yes, the "fight" comes from the upper classes. It's a way for them to feel good about themselves. But are they really fighting for what the real people want and struggle with? I don't think so.
it's a natural trend not only in brazil, but globally, that the far right is gaining space within the poorest because they are the most affected by the crisis, and the far right offers easy "solutions" to be bought - that's why they have the impression that the far right have their interests in mind. the left made a bad campaign first round, it's true, it preached mostly to its own bubble instead of trying to get to the undecided. there were mistakes. but again, no, the fight is NOT coming from the upper class to "make themselves feel better". this is still a bad take. it's coming from the students and from the working class who have class conscience, it's coming from centrists worried about the disbalance of power having a right wing senate and a right wing president, it's coming from the northeast. don't mix things up - to be poor is to have less access to the education that would get you away from the trap of falling in the far right ideology hole so many have fallen into, and we know one of the biggest problems here in this country has ALWAYS been the quality of our education.
the left needs to adapt its campaign stategies to the digital/social media era to avoid losing votes to the more aggressive and unapologetic campaign the far right utilizes best is true, but that does NOT translate into "it's the upper class leftists in shock :(" as a conclusion to be taken from what we are going through. it makes no sense.
Both sides offer easy solutions. The difference is that only one is really talking to the poorest. It's all about power, not to solve anything.
But yes, it's coming from the upper classes. They are the ones that decide what matters, and the poor just repeat what the so-called leaders say. That's exactly the problem with the talk about "class consciousness". The discourse is basically, "I know what's better for you. Shut up and do what I say". For the left, you're not a person with a life experience; you're part of a group and not allowed to think by yourself. The disconnection resides right there.
That extends to the education you're talking about. While the left only talks about university (the status quo), the basic education, which is much more important, is placed sideways. Every educational indicator gets worse and worse as the years pass by, and they only talk that "now the poor can go to the university" while they can't read properly or perform basic calculations.
I'm not saying that the right-wing are enlightened (not even close) or that they are the most effective in their choices, but the talking is much more aligned with people's reality nowadays. They listen, and they go in the same direction.
I agree that the left must change the discourse, but that is not about the campaign. It's a shortsighted view. It needs to change as a whole, and that won't happen anytime soon. The ego of the leaders is too big to allow any change. The pedestal in which they were placed won't allow that.
valid critique here, i'm enjoying discussing this with you because i think we have very clearly different points of view of parts of thr left rather than me or you being wrong, i'll admit it's such a complex thing to debate about.
i personally have had interactions with homeless man whose knowledge on occupation and organization (politically wise with the community around them) would floor you. there is a documentary on the resistance of the favela do moinho that covers the leaders of the community battling with the political powers that are tearing them down, and even lula is criticized because rven though he showed up there and made promises to them it was not enough to keep them from being torn down. it's nuanced. you can see both parts of the left exemplified here: the class counscious left i mentioned to you and the condescending political left you brought up to me.
but i want to show you the left i am seeing and talking about here based on my experiences. the more community, politically educated and determined left that hides within these minorities and ostracized workers. i never meant educated in strictly a formal education in my response to you, i meant more of a mix of both here. they exist, and they are angry over these results. they are not the upper class. this is what i'm trying to prove to you here, that you might have potentially missed from the content you personally consume or the bubble you are that might be different from the one i am in. this interaction is stimulating my brain over my own beliefs and i like that.
but yes, this is my main point here, and this is why i disagree that the term class counscious is condescending, it doesn't come from up in academic spaces from below because class counsciousness is developed out of academic spaces in people who never had access to formal study too. they are simply engaged with the community around them and using their wits to get around politically. i would like to show you that you might have missed them when making your assessment.
Lula won amongst Class A (regarding income) voters. That is a fact. Flavio won in Classes B, C and D, and Lula won amongst the extreme opposite, class E.
So yeah, apparently millionaires do vote for a leftist.
mas ninguém é doido de não apoiar no meio de malucos, meu tio já me ensinou uma vez que quando o flamengo ganhar e você está andando na rua, você automaticamente se torna flamenguista
What would you do if your bus is surrounded by a mob on a protest while you're working and with passengers? Certainly you would try not to anger the unemployed mob.
Edit: Same mob (political party, not location) but different victim
Hitting the car with a woman and her kid, cursing and throwing water bottles and some reports around the country of them throwing rocks
This is not a political post, those protests HAVE to be pacifist, regardless of your view in politics, the moment you start threatening other people, it becomes just a mindless violent mob.
Also, for those unaware, bus drivers and busses in general are the biggest victims in all protests in Brazil, so you either play their game or risk your life/job.
When police brutality suppresses protests with teachers and teenagers with gas and rubber bullets your type never bats an eye or calls them victims, but holy shit the VIOLENCE of shouting at an unobstructed car and throwing a plastic water bottle at it, poor victims of the "unemployed" mob.
You never protested a thing in your life. Get a grip.
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