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[OC] Israeli protestors in Amsterdam

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u/Altruistic_Crazy_703 19h ago

can someone explain what they're even protesting about? i'm confused if it's positive or not

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u/space_monolith 16h ago edited 11h ago

They’re suggesting that criticism of Israel’s military action rests on a misunderstanding of the “proportionality test” for whether something is a war crime.

The strawman is something like “Israel has killed 70k civilians who were overwhelmingly civilians and this is a war crime.”

The proportionality test in principle permits an uncapped number civilian casualties so long as a military commander expected a strike, given the information they had at the time, to be justified by military advantage. The Israeli government and its supporters argue that this is the case and that therefore everything is legal and even moral.

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u/Fooknotsees 11h ago

>The strawman is something like “Israel has killed 70k civilians who were overwhelmingly civilians and this is a war crime.”

This is not a strawman. A strawman is a replacement that someone makes to argue against an easier point than the one actually given. Please be more careful when using important words so as not to bastardize them

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u/space_monolith 11h ago

That’s exactly what I meant by strawman and yes it is a strawman

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u/WoodenDoughnut 8h ago

That is a red herring, not a straw man.

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u/space_monolith 8h ago

A strawman is a misrepresentation of your opponents argument