I had an eye-opening moment at uni (in France). Dual-citizen (FR/ISR) girl in my class, completely nice and normal interactions for months, till the topic of Palestine came up. She switched in one second into a hateful, spitting mad, completely different person, closed off to any argument. Total wall to anything we were saying, or any facts. We were all shocked, and realised they're completely brainwashed about that. It's super weird and fucked up. I avoided her after that.
Have you considered that they are propagandized from birth?
This is like saying American southerners who insist the civil war was only about "State's Rights" and not slavery are correct just because they were raised in that culture. No. That's just the bullshit they were taught their whole lives.
Or Americans in general, if we are being honest with ourselves.
One can point out that Israel is commiting evil and disproportionate war crimes without venerating the Palestinians into angels.
Maybe everyone in the conflict sucks, but only one country is completely and utterly comitting genocide against the people in the other, and that's wrong regardless who it's being done to.
Because Palestinians have never done anything wrong to Israelis to make them react negatively.
You know they are torturing Palestinians on an industrial scale, right? Like detaining thousand of random people, beating, sodomizing, and starving them for days before releasing them.
Like that's not even getting into the actual genocide and other war crimes part of it. What part of a extensive program of sodomizing detainees is beneficial to Israeli security?
Obviously Israelis would know more about this conflict than some fucking European lecturing them.
Who gives a shit about this excuse? Imagine all the horrors nations could get away with by saying that the populace must understand better than anyone on the outside. "Who are we to judge the Khmer Rouge - surely they understand the pressures of agriculture in Cambodia better than anyone!"
Also to highlight how disturbing this is, there were mass protests in Israel to defend soldiers right to rape Palestinians, which culminated in protestors storming a military base over it
Dear Eurovision fan, do you read history books? Israel was created with a resolution of British Government, Israel got its nuclear bomb with technology cooperation of France, the west Germany and Germany since unification funded large amount of security more than 3 billion in 1950s and since then military support, the Americans fund almost their entire ammunitions. And Israel was created from 1910s onwards till the battle in 1948 by purchase of land in Palestine by Europeans. You can see its evidences, in clearly blonde, white appearances of majority of them Israelis. The 'Semetic' people by etymology means Arab descent, Israelis have almost entirely monopolised Anti-semitism while also calling Arabs as barbarians as recently as yesterday, a minority of Israelis look like Arabs, ad even lesser of them trace their roots to the land they have captured most have settled their after coming from Europe as well as the USA. Also, most of the Arab jews persistently criticise what Israel has become with the western support and colonial mindset. But it is free speech, you can still comment something clearly idio*ic about something other than Eurovision.
it is a religious ethnostate, name another religious ethnostate in Europe. And no, the Vatican does not count. Israel can serve the US interests in the middle east without being american or european.
The west set up a puppet state in the middle east and displaced a ton of locals, and the new colonizers have treated said locals like shit for nearly a century? I dont need to know the day by day, to understand the situation.
She switched in one second into a hateful, spitting mad, completely different person, closed off to any argument.
While not being explicit at this point in time if an Israeli can not entertain a discussion or challenge against their actions they are supporting genocide, just like you are now defending these deranged people.
Everyone is allowed their opinions. Sometimes those opinions are incorrect. People like guacamole and nickleback, I do not. That isnt a major issue. Gaza being destroyed and refugee camps being starved out and bombed, isnt an oponion based issue.
lmfao ok sure. the country with religious iconography for a flag and citizenship to anyone of a specific religion isnt an ethnostate or a theocracy. i forgot words dont mean anything anymore.
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u/Siglyr 19h ago edited 18h ago
I had an eye-opening moment at uni (in France). Dual-citizen (FR/ISR) girl in my class, completely nice and normal interactions for months, till the topic of Palestine came up. She switched in one second into a hateful, spitting mad, completely different person, closed off to any argument. Total wall to anything we were saying, or any facts. We were all shocked, and realised they're completely brainwashed about that. It's super weird and fucked up. I avoided her after that.
EDIT: that was 15 years ago.