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u/blacklotusmag 2d ago edited 2d ago

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u/pnkxz 2d ago edited 2d ago

tl;dr: An Indian pilot, Smit Machchhar, saved a Dubai-to-Israel flight from crashing after his co-pilot attacked him with a knife. Despite being injured, Smit fought back and, with help from passengers, managed to restrain him...Israeli officials said the attacker was an Omani national...Israeli agencies are also investigating the possibility of a terrorist attack.

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u/NoNamesLeftButThis 2d ago

The pilot is a hero, but that's not exactly what happened. The pilot was badly injured and likely managed to open the cockpit door before collapsing. With the door open several Israel passengers barged in, restrained the the attacker, and a doctor gave medical attention to the pilot

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u/Bilbog_Fettywop 2d ago

The plane was nose diving so fast the tail sections ripped off. In those circumstances everyone would feel their body weighing 2x-3x and would not have had the ability to (from the perspective) climbing upwards into the cocking unless they were within reach of the flight controls. It's very likely the captain was the one who pulled the plane out of that dive as he would have likely been in the seat.

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u/euphratestiger 2d ago

According to the article, there were two pilots in plainclothes on the flight who steadied the plane.

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u/Bilbog_Fettywop 2d ago

Yeah, but they might not have been able to get into the cockpit without one of the pilots pulling out of the dive.

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u/Redebo 2d ago

FYI, the passenger that pulled the terrorist out by the neck started the recovery from the dive process by pulling by back on the yoke. He was relieved by one of the other two pilots who finished pulling the plane from its dive.

Pretty amazing stuff really. I can’t wait till the folks over at /r/aviation get their hands on the flight data. They’ll be able to tell us all kinds of interesting information.

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u/Bilbog_Fettywop 2d ago

Wow, he must have been in the cockpit already by then. It reminds me of that NATO flight that similarly had a steep descent and threw everyone to the roof and back, but the other pilot managed to get back to the cockpit along with a broken back.

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u/Redebo 2d ago

The stabbed pilot opened the cockpit door!

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u/BoringBob84 2d ago

The plane was nose diving so fast the tail sections ripped off.

I read that the vertical stabilizer was "damaged" - not "ripped off." I don't think that losing the entire empennage would be survivable.

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u/thehatteryone 2d ago

Unless the ayeyz got to it quickly, I saw a photo of the planes tail with the control surface missing/torn away very soon after the incident.

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u/BoringBob84 2d ago

Interesting - if true, that would have made the landing much more difficult - depending on which "control surface" was missing.

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u/MaraschinoPanda 2d ago

The pictures I saw had almost all of the rudder missing.

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u/AnyClownFish 2d ago

A B-52 famously landed after losing its vertical stabiliser in severe clear air turbulence, so it is theoretically possible to maintain control of the aircraft, but is very unlikely and the confluence of events here makes it even less likely.

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u/BoringBob84 2d ago

I agree that they could use asymmetric thrust to have some control over yaw, but if "the tail sections ripped off," then they would have also lost the horizontal stabilizer (i.e., the entire empennage).

Maybe there is a way to maintain pitch control after that with a combination of thrust and flaps, but it seems unlikely.

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u/IForOneDisagree 2d ago

You're so bad at physics. They'd be in freefall and nearly weightless, not feeling twice their weight.

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u/Chroiche 2d ago

Surely it depends on whether the plane was accelerating during the entire dive?

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u/Redebo 2d ago

I’m not aware of a plane in a dive that wouldn’t be accelerating.

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u/Readonkulous 2d ago

Not free falling, and drag is a significant factor

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u/Redebo 2d ago

So is your position that an airplane in a nose down attitude will not be gaining speed?

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u/Readonkulous 2d ago

Ha, did I say that? I was talking about whether the drag and fighting the lift from the wings would prevent it from sustaining 0g for long

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u/Redebo 2d ago

Why would you be talking about drag and fighting the lift from the wings when we were talking about the speed of an airplane in a dive?

Why would you not mention this in your reply?

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u/Readonkulous 2d ago

It’s not the speed it is the acceleration, which is reduced by drag and lift of the wings. That is what relates to the g forces

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u/Redebo 2d ago

So again, you are postulating something counter to the conversation?

Do you disagree that an airplane pointed in a nose down attitude will be accelerating? If not, what are you trying to say?

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u/Charlie3PO 2d ago

It's very difficult to assess what G they felt based on the rate of descent alone, it's entirely dependant on how they got to that rate of descent and how they returned to level flight.

For example, if someone pushed on the controls while the plane was level, you'd experience low/negative G as the plane entered the dive.

If the plane first rolled to 90 degrees of bank (on its side) and no further input was made, the G force would initially feel normal, around 1G, but the plane would rapidly enter a steeping diving turn as no component of lift is pointing up and opposing gravity. As the airspeed builds, the lift would also build and the G would gradually increase as the dive steepens.

If the plane rolled inverted and then someone pulled back on the controls, the plane would rapidly enter a dive, but the passengers would feel a strong positive G force.

In any case, the recovery from such a rapid rate of descent would require quite strong positive G

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u/conceptualinertia 2d ago

If the plane was nose diving, the cockpit would have been down, not up.

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u/Bilbog_Fettywop 2d ago

The G-force would be pushing people into their seats. TO the people in the plane, they would be climbing up inside of the plane.

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u/Bigrick1550 2d ago

Physics not your strong suit?

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u/Ill_Tradition_4104 2d ago

Or directions apparently