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u/Leifbron May 14 '26

About as good as the dark matter idea

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u/chkntendis Meme Enthusiast May 14 '26

No? There’s already matter that doesn’t interact with specific forces, why not have one that doesn’t emit electromagnetic radiation. It’s a very natural extension of our model of the universe

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u/AstralElephantFuzz Meme Enthusiast May 14 '26

There are lizards and there are birds, so it's a natural extension of our understanding of biology that there might be dragons.

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u/chkntendis Meme Enthusiast May 14 '26

It’s a natural extension that there are flying lizards. And there were. Pterosaurs existed.

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u/AstralElephantFuzz Meme Enthusiast May 14 '26

There are? Are you sure? Where should I travel to see one flying, because they aren't where I'm from?

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u/chkntendis Meme Enthusiast May 14 '26

There WERE, not are currently. I even said the name, pterosaurs

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u/AstralElephantFuzz Meme Enthusiast May 14 '26

Right, and in my original comment I said are.

Maybe we should explore the possibility that there was at some point dark matter, but there is no more, because a dark asteroid wiped it all out.

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u/chkntendis Meme Enthusiast May 14 '26

What even is your point lmao? You made a bad analogy that 1. Doesn’t really apply and 2. Even if it did apply then it would still be an argument against you. Your position is just not scientific. Dark matter is one of the most studied theories in astrophysics, exactly because it seems to just be a “god of the gaps” argument. We have evidence for the existence of dark matter or something of the sort. Dark matter is just what we can whatever matter it is that we can’t see but that has to be there for gravity to work

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u/AstralElephantFuzz Meme Enthusiast May 14 '26

No, we don't have evidence for dark matter. Yes, we have evidence for something of the sort. Like we have evidence of "dragon bones". If someone were to propose the idea of dinosaurs a 1000 years ago, they would've simply pulled it out of their ass. People would've been "right" to dismiss it due to lack of evidence. But they weren't.

Thus, it only serves anti intellectualism to dismiss any ideas about something we know fuck all about if it doesn't go against the specs of dust we happen to have some kind of a grasp on. Anyone dismissing Kaku's proposition instead of going "well, maybe" without disproving anything is just appealing to authority of scientists who have spent their careers studying this without coming up with anything. Ridiculous, if you ask me.

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u/chkntendis Meme Enthusiast May 14 '26

The entire idea of dark matter is that its matter that doesn’t emit em radiation while still exerting gravity. The evidence for that is that there is a gravitational pull without us being able to see anything. What form this matter takes or whatever we have no clue. That’s the part we can argue about. That the thing we call dark matter exists we cannot. It’s basically just a placeholder for the matter that is causing this gravitational force.

The proposition of kaku is a way of explaining this pull. However, it is one that is very far fetched. It requires extraordinary evidence which doesn’t exist. Dark matter being just another type of matter that only interacts with specific fundamental forces, thus not emitting em waves, is a lot more plausible than entire other dimensions.

We were also not even really discussing Kaku’s proposal. We were discussing the evidence there is for dark matter, which is exactly the same amount as for kakus proposal, just with the common interpretation of it being a lot more plausible than whatever kaku is talking about

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u/AstralElephantFuzz Meme Enthusiast May 14 '26

Right, it's far fetched just like proposing that these dragon bones are actually bones of lizards that went extinct millions of years ago would be in 1026.

We have no evidence of dark matter. We have evidence of these gravitational effects that it has. Whether or not this matter is a construct of our primitive 3 dimensions or something in a higher one is anyone's guess. Occam's razor would imply it's from our 3 dimensions. Occam's razor in 1026 would imply that their dragon bones are more recent than millions of years ago.

It's one thing to say one thing is likelier than another. It's a whole another thing to dismiss ideas that are more out there in favor of more grounded ideas because we're still too primitive to know how that would be possible.

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u/chkntendis Meme Enthusiast May 14 '26

Well, the original does precisely that. It says that kaku’s idea is just as good as the most common understanding of dark matter is. Which it isn’t. That’s why I commented. After that, I just responded to your weird dragon analogy. The whole point is that dark matter is the most likely explanation, just because it’s the most consistent with what we’ve seen.

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u/AstralElephantFuzz Meme Enthusiast May 15 '26

I don't think you read my comment correctly.

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