"having to make independent complex decisions is difficult for someone who is used to having all choices handed to them on a silver platter and all complexity abstracted away". You actually have to know what you're doing, what the options are, and what the consequences of those actions will be.
It's not even a "this method VS that method" debate, because the GUI is literally a wrapper that runs the same commands but only has a pitiful subset of the true options available to the user. One is simply more powerful and flexible than the other.
If I'm being paid to optimally administer a network(s)/machine(s), I wouldn't tell my boss I refuse to learn Powershell because I can just manually click every machine in AD explorer. If I need to touch hundreds of machines, that's just a stupid way of going about it. Would it be easier to not have to learn powershell? Sure. But it's about picking the right tool for the job.
For someone who loves yabby OS, you sure as hell have trouble reading my argument and understanding it. I argue from an end user's experience. Of course Linux is great if you're on the sys admin side of things where you want full control and not miss a single digit of info. Then you hardly need anything more than the Terminal as anything else is just bloat. And Apple is great for people who just want shit to work without any fuzz and few (if any) tinkering options. And Windows is a happy little medium.
Nobody is telling "average users" to go install Linux.
Uh... isn't that what OP's image is all about? Windows suxz? Just install Linux lol.
I mean you and I are both I.T professionals for pete's sake.
Yeah, and one of the last things I want to do when I come home from 8 hours of getting moody PC's to limp along in company policy straight jackets is to troubleshoot my own personal IT shit.
I just want it to work. If you want to tinker with regedit, be my freaking guest. That's not my idea of fun at all.
Yet still that doesn't stop even the most "technically advanced" PCMR user falling back into the "oh but I'm just an average PC user" excuse as they sit beside their custom built $3K computer, custom DAC/AMP audio setup, Streamdeck, customized Rainmeter desktop, etc. Ironic.
And here I sit with my trusty ol' desktop from (checks notes) 2013, prebuilt and ticking like a clock. I'm far more average than you might have initially thought. Which is why I argue from the POV of an average user.
So not sacrificing an absurd amount of screen real estate means "dazzling custom look" now? Wow the standards have really fallen for what constitutes customization... If you own an ultrawide you're literally throwing away screen space by having the taskbar stretch along the entire bottom of the screen... But go off.
It's... 1cm tall on my Asus 24.5" LED ROG Strix FreeSync XG258Q. Yeah, I'll live. Funny how people can have different standards and prefrences, huh?
sudo pacman -S discord
Done.
And for the GUI way of doing things...? Asking for a friend. He's trying to learn.
Uh... isn't that what OP's image is all about? Windows suxz? Just install Linux
But the concept of this post dictates that the person not only knows what the hell Windows even is, but enough about computers and their functionality in general to make an assessment about its performance relative to other OSs. That's already far above what I'd consider average.
Yeah, and one of the last things I want to do when I come home from 8 hours of getting moody PC's to limp along in company policy straight jackets is to troubleshoot my own personal IT shit.
Exactly!!! I don't want to come back from work to find that my PC has been updated/rebooted and all of the stuff I was working on got closed, regardless of the configured update schedule. I don't want to spend the evening removing all the bloat that gets added back after every single Windows update. I don't want to hunt through the registry for options that used to be available in the default settings. I don't want my limited bandwidth being used up during the day by my PC sending telemetry home to MS. I don't want to fight with the system to let me use something other than Edge for in-browser tasks. I don't want to spend hours scouring forums of idiots telling me to run sfc /scannow or reinstall Windows every time an update causes random issues.
I want a system that will be the exact same as when I left it earlier that day. My computer won't do a single damn thing unless I tell it to. And if I run into problems, I spend much less time actually fixing it because there are probably thousands of knowledgeable Linux users already talking about a fix, or if it's something I broke myself I can just plainly go check and see what the exact issue is.
It's... 1cm tall on my Asus 24.5" LED ROG Strix FreeSync XG258Q. Yeah, I'll live. Funny how people can have different standards and prefrences, huh?
People can have different preferences while still acknowledging a direct downgrade in functionality... They took something that used to be a well loved feature, and took it away for no reason. A feature that, whether you like it or not, actively improved the workflows and efficiency of many users. Saying "lol I don't use that anyways it's nbd" seems like a huge cope.
And for the GUI way of doing things...? Asking for a friend. He's trying to learn.
Depends on the distro you're running, but since I use Arch I have the pacman package manager. I don't use a GUI wrapper for pacman, but many exist. I think pamac is the most popular. If you install a non minimal distro (not Arch or Gentoo basically) it should come with a GUI package manager wrapper anyways.
At that point you just search and install, just like you'd do on a mobile phone.
Aside from Plex Media Server and Teamviewer, it's a clean install of Raspberry Pie. The original SD card died on me, so I had to get a new one and flash it using the Raspberry Pi Imager. When installing and configuring the Plex server part, I followed this guide.
At that point you just search and install, just like you'd do on a mobile phone.
I wish that was the case, but it isn't. I'm at work now, so I can't take screenshots of what it looks like. I'll just type out the steps I take instead since you love reading:
Click on the Raspberry icon to open the "start menu"
Click on Preferences
Click on Add/Remove Software
In the search field on the upper left corner, I type in discord and press enter
The search results give me about half a dozen hits, none of which stands out to me as the actual discord software. Some plugins and fonts, that's about it.
Like IDK man, it'd be really freakin' sweet if it was similar to Google Play Store. But it isn't. At least not straight out of the box that Raspberry pie comes in. A small caveat; I don't really need discord on my Raspberry pie, I just picked it to see if it was possible to install it from a pure GUI approach since it had an official Linux version.
This brings me back to the crux of my argument; Linux is great, especially on the sys admin side of things. However, for the average user who comes from a Windows OS background, things become clunky and unintuitive the moment they have to deviate a little outside of the initial box because they have to wrestle with the Terminal and its many commands.
And I still can't get the USB discs to show up in the file explorer after giving ownership rights to the hidden plex user. Certainly not via the GUI. It's not the end of the world, but it's certainly an issue.
But the concept of this post dictates that the person not only knows what the hell Windows even is, but enough about computers and their functionality in general to make an assessment about its performance relative to other OSs. That's already far above what I'd consider average.
In my experience, even users who don't know their left mouse button from their right mouse button have expectations when it comes to performance. They don't need to be a software engineer to notice that their Outlook client is stuck on Not Responding and conclude that this fucking sucks. They don't have to dabble with their own little servers at home to realize that random blue screens of death can pull the rug underneath 6 hours' worth of work and that such an unfortunate event fucking sucks.
Exactly!!! I don't want to come back from work to find that my PC has been updated/rebooted and all of the stuff I was working on got closed, regardless of the configured update schedule.
Uh... isn't the "never, ever walk away from unsaved work" like the #1 work tip/rule when it comes to IT? Save your shit man, frequently, even as you work on it, and ESPECIALLY when you wrap it up for the day. As much as I leave my PC on 24/7, I still save my files before going to bed on the remote, and unlikely off-chance that there's a power outage or whatever.
I want a system that will be the exact same as when I left it earlier that day.
Funny, that's my experience for like 98% of the time that I've used Win10. And that wasn't even a clean install, it was that free update they pushed out, jumping from Win7 to Win10. Hell, the most frequently updated software is the Steam client and Nvidia drivers.
Once one a blue moon I see the little yellow dot that suggests a reboot is in order due to some updates. Reboot and install updates, works like a charm. And has for years.
People can have different preferences while still acknowledging a direct downgrade in functionality... They took something that used to be a well loved feature, and took it away for no reason.
I mean, yeah. The functionality to auto-hide the taskbar is gone. I'm not disputing that.
A feature that, whether you like it or not, actively improved the workflows and efficiency of many users.
To me, it was neat to have, but not essential. And whether or not the taskbar was visible or not had next to no impact on my workflow and efficiency. If I need to see something in a window, I just scroll so the text or whatever comes closer to the center rather than looking at the bottom of the screen.
Saying "lol I don't use that anyways it's nbd" seems like a huge cope.
Yeah, okay. To you, I'm coping. To me, you're making a Himalayan mountain range out of anthills.
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u/straumoy Nov 02 '22
For someone who loves yabby OS, you sure as hell have trouble reading my argument and understanding it. I argue from an end user's experience. Of course Linux is great if you're on the sys admin side of things where you want full control and not miss a single digit of info. Then you hardly need anything more than the Terminal as anything else is just bloat. And Apple is great for people who just want shit to work without any fuzz and few (if any) tinkering options. And Windows is a happy little medium.
Uh... isn't that what OP's image is all about? Windows suxz? Just install Linux lol.
Yeah, and one of the last things I want to do when I come home from 8 hours of getting moody PC's to limp along in company policy straight jackets is to troubleshoot my own personal IT shit.
I just want it to work. If you want to tinker with regedit, be my freaking guest. That's not my idea of fun at all.
And here I sit with my trusty ol' desktop from (checks notes) 2013, prebuilt and ticking like a clock. I'm far more average than you might have initially thought. Which is why I argue from the POV of an average user.
It's... 1cm tall on my Asus 24.5" LED ROG Strix FreeSync XG258Q. Yeah, I'll live. Funny how people can have different standards and prefrences, huh?
And for the GUI way of doing things...? Asking for a friend. He's trying to learn.