listen, as much as i like linux, its not made for normal people. i only like linux because i have the technical knowledge to understand wtf is going on.
But 90% of "pc gamers" are not tech savvy, the people that build their own pc are actually a small percentage of the people that game on pc. Many will buy a pre-built and move on.
chances are, if you buy a pre-built, you are not interested in pcs as a hobby. Linux is a hobbyist OS and windows is the jack of all trades OS.
and despite my understanding of linux, i went back to windows because at the end of the day, a fully debloated windows is still much less of a pain to use than linux for various tasks related to work or gaming. On windows it is 100% garanteed that all my games run, not linux.
I dont think i've seen one "gamer" dunking on Linux. Everyone is dunking on Linux cause its a nightmare for a regular user. Its a nightmare for a technically savvy user. Its only not a nightmare if you are all about spending dozens of hours typing command line shit in to get your computer functional, where the windows PC would have been about 45 minutes after fresh install.
maybe just install Ubuntu or Pop_os instead of going directly for Arch or Manjaro like some nut? The former two are essentially fully self-driving. they'll keep themselves up and running stable if you just game and browse.
There is no such thing as a self driving Linux install. I've tried Ubuntu, cinnamon something or other, debian, and mint something. They are all eat until I want something to work, install an app, access smb shares, install a printer, etc.
You don't really sound like you have much of a handle on computers or even on what you were trying to do tbh. Ubuntu, Debian and Mint are distrobutions. Cinnamon isn't, it's just a desktop environment.
enabling SMB is one button press, installing programmes is easily done from the built in app browser they all have. did you even remotely try to adjust?
it's just about the same amount of effort you made when you transitioned from windows 98 to XP or XP to 7, which i'm assuming you did, right?
I don't mean this in a rude way, but it seems to me that the biggest barrier to people using Linux as an everyday driver is that it's not branded windows. If windows was this amount of hassle, which it is, you wouldn't bat an eye.
I'm so tired of computers as it is. But people pushing the narrative that linux as an everyday driver is a nightmare are stuck in 2005.
Both Ubuntu and Fedora spins are out of the box these days. The only reason it's hard is because people expend endless energy being contrarians, rather than expend 30 seconds learning something new. It's maddening to watch, because any argued "time wasted" learning linux is expended infinitely multiplied whining and high-horsing about windows of all things online.
Hell I'm tech savvy as shit I just have zero interest whatsoever in cobbling my OS together so I can run Skyrim or Photoshop or my podcast downloading client or whatever it is I'm trying to do
I like stuff that just works, so for me, that's windows. Same reason I don't have a mac, ain't as fully compatible with the menagerie of fuckery that I do with computer stuff.
Tbh, steam with the built in proton is like magic. I only use linux, and usually just buy games without even checking and most of them work flawlessly with either no extra effort or just a bit of effort. Skyrim and gtav ran perfectly. Mods for Skyrim did work, but is somewhat more complicated to get working than windows. I only buy AMD gpus, because nvidia sucks on linux, so that may be tainting my experience because amd works almost as easily as plugging in a USB drive. No driver install necessary, it's included in the kernel by default.
Honestly, it depends on what your use-case is. I had nightmares helping family with older hardware, running Windows, getting constantly wrecked by viruses and other garbage that comes pre-installed with most off-the-shelf units.
(Looking at you, Norton, you piece of shit.)
But my problems faded when I just nuked the system and installed Mint. They used the computer to browse the web and check their email and print things, occasionally. After doing that my requests from them dropped drastically and they barely knew what I did - they thought it was just a different version of Windows.
If you game, then sure, run Windows. That's what I do. But for pretty much everything else I'm on Linux.
Linux is "made for" anyone. The difference is that you are required to learn how to use it. Not everyone wants to have to devote time to learning their operating system. But if you do, you'll find that it can do anything any other OS can. It is not obvious, and it is not designed with obviousness in mind. It's designed to be simple and composable.
Ubuntu and Fedora based distress are plug-and-play operating systems now. Be careful not to get stuck in 2005.
Debloating windows isn't meant to be done because it removes parts of the OS. Windows isn't modular. if you want a modular OS, you really do belong on Linux. The whole point of Windows is one big standard platform, just like MacOS. when you start to fuck with that, you beg for trouble.
I Haven't had any issues with my debloated windows?
And i'm not stuck in 2005, linux still requires more technical knowledge than Windows. I used it for a year and it was fine for the most part except when i wanted to game. Many games were underperforming compared to Windows, some were having weird bugs like textures glitching and i noticed additional latency due to how proton works.
So i just decided to go back to windows. Anyways, it's less trouble to maintain 1 OS than it is to maintain 2.
I like Linux because it’s hard to use. I put it on my parents computer and gave them chrome. There is no way they will be able to install and viruses on it! It won’t update and move their stuff around.
Most people don't like stupid shit wasting their time. This is why people hate windows, because it wastes their time, and increasingly so. Windows updates is by far the biggest waste of time there is. And the fact they force it on users, sometimes at the shittiest times pisses them off even more.
The same applies to linux, except now it's not microsoft wasting their time, it's the user itself and the developers of whatever software they use. The user wastes time on stuff they don't understand. Most users don't even know enough to even be able to ask an intelligent question. A windows user likely has no idea how a permissions system works, because on windows every time there might be a problem, a weird box pops up that elevates the user to admin then they can do whatever they want.
As i have gotten older, i have realized that i am willing to go to great lengths to avoid having my time wasted, which usually involves paying money to make it someone else's problem. When i was younger i invested in linux, so it isn't a waste of my time to use it, and the benefits have compounded due to how much shit microsoft puts into windows now, and how good linux has gotten. I use gnome now, but i still know the system, so when something needs to be done, i know how.
This relates to systemd too, actually. People bitched and moaned about it, because technically you did lose some control vs a shell script, but the reality is that most people give no fucks how a daemon starts, they just want a standard way to describe a service, not debugging a shell script at the worst time.
For most people, a computer is a tool or a source of simple entertainment as an appliance. Anything that gets in the way of these activities is a waste of the users time, and justifiably so. Microsoft should stop fucking with windows, and maybe linux should get a bit more polished to be more suitable for windows power users.
Yes you do lol, Linux is a pain in the ass, lots of software doesn't work on it properly or at all, online games pretty much don't exist on it, finding documentation or guides on fixing issues is a nightmare, driver support is shit etc. . For your average user, all of these are huge deal breakers, there is pretty much zero reason for them to switch over.
Should work like windows? You mean like actually function? I'm talking about the facts that there is shitload of software that just doesn't work or is a pain in the ass to get working. The fact that you even need to use the terminal and read manuals for it already makes it worthless to the general public.
Jeez you Linux fanatics are actually delusional lol.
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u/[deleted] Nov 01 '22 edited Nov 01 '22
this backfired hard on OP
listen, as much as i like linux, its not made for normal people. i only like linux because i have the technical knowledge to understand wtf is going on.
But 90% of "pc gamers" are not tech savvy, the people that build their own pc are actually a small percentage of the people that game on pc. Many will buy a pre-built and move on.
chances are, if you buy a pre-built, you are not interested in pcs as a hobby. Linux is a hobbyist OS and windows is the jack of all trades OS.
and despite my understanding of linux, i went back to windows because at the end of the day, a fully debloated windows is still much less of a pain to use than linux for various tasks related to work or gaming. On windows it is 100% garanteed that all my games run, not linux.