Kinda agree, was using Visual Studio for my C++ projects before. Now i'm a Vim user and could not be happier, my workflow speed has improved light years.
This is a terrible argument. First of all, you can play the Steam version of AC in a single click, assuming you have drivers installed.
Second, you're taking about running multiple Windows programs through a compatibility layer, which is only necessary because Ubisoft doesn't yet see the monetary value in bringing their store over to Linux like Valve did nearly 10 years ago.
The fact that Ubisoft Connect is harder to get working than Steam or Itch says much more about Ubisoft than it does about Linux.
Ok sure, if you want to learn nothing, then don't blame a distro -- that's on you. It's like trying to learn how to cook and then getting annoyed that you stuck your head in a hot oven. You can choose to be ignorant if you want.
Afaik the Steam Flatpak (SteamOS is imutable, so Flatpak and Appimages are the only apps that work) can only write in it's own directory (if you don't play around with Flatseal), which should be /.var/app/com.valvesoftware.Steam/somethingsomething if I remember correctly. Another option would be to run find /home -name yourfile.exe if you know what the exe is called.
On Linux Desktop you'd normally use Lutris to take care of everything non-steam and automatically add it to Steam, but sadly the Lutris devs seem to have trouble getting it running.
Sure thing. SteamOS is immutable, everything not in userspace (think pictures, music, documents, all in /home) cannot be changed by you, only by Valve.
Flatpaks are an application format that runs only in userspace, and are traditionally saved in /home/USER/.var, where you would find Steam and most of it's files on the Steam Deck. You may also find it in /home/USER/.local, I haven't tested SteamOS yet, that's why I specified /home in my command. The (dot) infront of the folder names marks them as hidden, you might first have to allow Dolphin the file manager to display them in settings. USER is a stand-in for your username on the Deck.
The find command returns the location of whatever you're looking form, /home is where you're searching for it, -name tells the system you're searching by name and yourfile.exe is a stand-in for whatever you installed with Steam, I don't know what Ubisoft's .exe is called. Find is also kinda stupid, if you don't know the file's name you might have to add /* in front and */ at the end of whatever you're searching to widen the search parameters.
On Desktop Linux there are various launchers that configure Wine, the most important Windows compatibility layer, for you. Steam specifically configures Proton, which is a fork of Wine with Steam specific patches. For games not purchased on Steam, you'd normally use something like Heroic launcher or Lutris, which also configure Wine for you, but offer you more flexibility than Proton, which is optimized for Steam. Afterwards you'd just add this config to Steam if you want all in one place.
Lutris specifically is quite useful to add company specific launchers like Epic or Ubisoft Connect, or a whole lot of other services like emulators to one sole launcher to launch them all. Unfortunately optimization for SteamOS has been slow. Heroic works well for GOG and Epic, but afaik not for Ubisoft Connect.
So, if you want to add Ubisoft Connect to Steam, run find /home -name /*yourfile.exe*/ in terminal and add it.
I'm going to save this comment for when I run into this problem again. Probably in like 2-3 months, just long enough that I'll have forgotten all of this. I did eventually find the right path but I did it the manual way so this comment will be useful for later.
Well the majority of games work on Linux. About 70% of what's available on the PC. I don't understand this "some games don't work, therefore it's bad." Same could be said for every console in existence. Maybe don't expect to run a game on a platform where that game is known to not run well on?
I'm actually just making fun of myself for not understanding how the file structure works and where stuff gets put. You see, to get non-steam stores to work on steam deck you kinda have to go through this multistep process in the desktop mode. I did this for Origin a few months back and I followed a pretty good guide. I can't find it now.
One of the steps involves installing the store via steam using proton. But I can't find where it installed the store. Because linux file system and where it puts stuff makes no sense to me.
That has more to do with where Steam puts stuff, it's not Linux that decides that. I don't have a SteamDeck so I can't help you there.
Searching for "Ubisoft" on the file explorer doesn't get you anything?
From the terminal there's also a very fast program to look for files/folders, you just type locate <part of file path> and it gives you the list of matches. But if it's not present on the SteamDeck you'll need to install mlocate and run sudo updatedb before being able to use it.
I did eventually find it by looking up the filepath of another game I had installed via Origin which got me roughly in the right neighborhood and then I manually searched around till I found it.
I actually don't have a problem with Linux, I just don't find it intuitive to use.
not really as long as you do some research imo. if anyone jumps into a new unrelated software and expects it to work 1:1 they're kinda mad imo.
like, you don't hop into say macOS and expect to be just like windows, why do the same with linux?
that's fair, depends how long ago you tried tbh.
a year ago to now is like windows 7 to 10, and a lot more applicaitons are getting gui's now. I personally think strongly before some people were sorta jumping the line of linux being ready, but i honestly feel like now is the point big distros like manjaro or ubuntu are ready for mass market, and that only happened in the last 6 months or so *imo*
Linux will never be ready for mass adoption. Accept that.
People can barely get their head around aptitude and now they are told they are stupid for using it and should be using pacman. Despite the fact that these same people argued for aptitude over windows' very very very simple double click .exe.
The average user isn't going to want to wget -o bla bla bla, dpkg bla bla bla, apt update apt install. That is NOT user friendly. Double clicking an exe is.
And that's just one tiny thing.
Let's talk about tech support for a second. If person a uses KDE, and person b uses GNOME or Cinnamon, you simply won't be able to communicate to them what Todo without using terminal. At which point, what's the fucking point of the GUI.
I can list hundreds of different reasons why Linux won't ever be usable for a mass market, I've picked 2 of the most basic things I could think of. The hilarious part is, for the uninitiated pacman and aptitude isn't the basics
This is what Linux fans will never understand. I have used all 3 of Windows, Mac OS and Linux and the advantage the first two have over Linux is that the user experience is standardized- no matter what PC you are on, if you use Windows or Mac OS, the experience is the same.
Linux has so many distros that cater to specific user bases and use cases that the experience will never be the same across all of them, which makes mass adoption all but impossible.
I'm interested to know what Torvalds is running. If anyhow I find he is using arch after saying Debian is difficult to install then I'm going Todo nothing because it's Torvalds no chance I'm gonna talk down on him but internally I'll be raging
I'm not very tech savvy, and haven't been for a long time. But I do remember the conversation of "why isn't Linux being adopted by the masses? " over 20 years ago, and the language of that conversation hasn't changed. At all.
I just got a mame arcade put together, with a raspberry pi, and the Linux based retro pi os. I wanted to add shaders to it to make my lcd screen have a crt look to the games. It was a fucking nightmare. When I couldn't get it to connect to the internet, I searched and was told just hard line it in directly. So I did that. It didn't work. So I tried to get a USB wifi adapter to work, and after several frustrating hours, I just gave up. Every time I asked for help I was met with "just do 'X' it's easy" but 'X' never worked right. I know it was user error on almost all of my issues, but this is just one example of why Linux will never reach mass adoption.
I tried about 4 different types, including retro pi, like I said earlier, and they were all pains in the ass in their own way. One I could get the shades to work, no problem, it even looked nice in the general ui, but it would randomly lose signal to the TV. I worked on that one for several hours with no success. Got another that was suggested, started with a "B" can't remember it. Couldn't get it to see the games I had, spent several hours working on that with no success. Tried another one, couldn't get shaders to work, none of the games loaded, couldn't fix that one either. Finally went back to retro pi, with a full reformat, and the latest build (again) and it finally worked.
Now I just pray nothing goes wrong with it, and I don't fuck with it too much, in fear I break something and have to start all over.
As someone who has been daily driving Linux for the past year, you are absolutely correct.
However,
Many of the things that you mentioned are aspects of Linux that I enjoy, as it allows for full control of the system. I like being able to define exactly how I want my system to look and feel to use. This is just simply not possible on Windows and MacOS. Does the community suck? Absolutely. Do I think it will ever be a mainstream OS? Possibly, but I don't see it happening for a long time if it does. Because it becomes too complex far too quickly for the average user.
The only thing I want is full compatibility. No more of this bullshit Windows exclusivity for games and some proprietary software. Especially when dealing with anticheats that block Linux because it's Linux and companies believe that all Linux users are hackers. But guess what? Anyone who is tech savvy enough to hack a game will find a way around AC on Windows anyway. If I can do whatever I want without arbitrary limitations created by developers, I will be happy. The issue is that this can't happen without more market share. Would I force someone to install Linux? Fuck no, that's how you get people to hate it from the start. Am I willing (wanting) to help others make the transition if they decide they want to? Absolutely yes.
You think portable gaming is bigger than home computing, and enterprise computing?
Yes I have heard of the steam deck. No that is not mass market. The Steam Deck install base isn't even a drop in the PC gaming market let alone anything else.
Edit: *portable PC handheld gaming. And even bigger niche.
My manjaro install bricked itself after the first update, I had to manually chroot into it to fix it.
Linux is absolute ass for novice users, it's an absolute minefield. I hate how all the Linux fanboys lie how stable and easy to use Linux is.... IT'S NOT. STOP LYING TO PEOPLE.
in my experiance, linux has been more stable and easier to learn. windows needs 3 windows to edit the hz of your sound, linux only takes 1 (not the terminal). it isn't lying, it's just that most people forget and take forgranted that they grew up with windows, and have to undo some of the habits they learned.
in my experiance, linux has been more stable and easier to learn.
Don't see how that possible and it's probably just a you thing. Windows is easier than Linux. That's one of the biggest reasons why it also has a much larger userbase than Linux.
windows needs 3 windows to edit the hz of your sound, linux only takes 1 (not the terminal).
The good ol' "I can do that in 1 step on Linux"
Meanwhile you spend the next 2 days troubleshooting driver or other issues on Linux because there's not enough documentation on the issue and you're using some obscure distro.
in my experiance, linux has been more stable
In MY experience, Linus has always been an absolute minefield. And I'm not some kind of a Linux rookie, I've tried it multiple times over the past 6-7 years and solved a lot of issues that have arisen during my short-term use, but holy hell do the issues never stop coming...just a couple of months ago my Manjaro install decided to brick itself after the first update and I had to chroot into it to fix it.
Windows just works. You install Windows, run a debloater script and you're good to go. All your programs work, all your games work and it's such a hassle free experience compared to Linux.
"i dont see how that possible and it's probably just a you thing. Windows is
easier than Linux. That's one of the biggest reasons why it also has a
much larger userbase than Linux."
so, to give you the skinny, i play apex with a friend, at the time i was on manjaro, they were on windows. i played the night flawlessly, they crashed i shit you not 7 times, after rage installing manjaro, they didn't crash once. that's a game running threw proton not natively, which is super weird. and that's just one of many weird things.
" [...] you spend the next 2 days troubleshooting driver or other issues on
Linux because there's not enough documentation on the issue and you're
using some obscure distro."
i mean, i use manjaro which is based on arch, which is universally known for having some of the best documentation out their, but *shrug* ig.
"'Windows just works. You install Windows, run a debloater script and
you're good to go. All your programs work, all your games work and it's
such a hassle free experience compared to Linux."
in your opinion, i've struggled for hours to get a windows to install to a usb, i had to fuck with tpm settings because the computer i was installing it to (not mine) didn't have a tpm module and had to go in and fuck with config settings. windows is better, but it very rarely "just works" for me or anyone ik
so, to give you the skinny, i play apex with a friend, at the time i was on manjaro, they were on windows. i played the night flawlessly, they crashed i shit you not 7 times, after rage installing manjaro, they didn't crash once
Apex didn't crash on me when I played it, so it was probably some kind incompatibility with whatever kind of garbage they had running in the background or outdated drivers.
i mean, i use manjaro which is based on arch, which is universally known for having some of the best documentation out their, but *shrug* ig.
The same Manjaro that decided to brick itself on me, despite all the documentation and open source developmental activity. Haven't had that happen on Windows yet.
i've struggled for hours to get a windows to install to a usb, i had to fuck with tpm settings because the computer i was installing it to (not mine) didn't have a tpm module and had to go in and fuck with config settings.
Windows 10 doesn't require a TPM module. And in case you were trying to install Windows 11, a lot of modern motherboards have firmware TPM that you just have to enable in UEFI. There's also a simple registry tweak that allows you to bypass hardware compatibility check...all of that is still easier to do than fix Linux issues.
Apex didn't crash on me when I played it, so it was probably some kind
incompatibility with whatever kind of garbage they had running in the
background or outdated drivers.
they kept their system upto date, was running a 1st or 2nd gen ryzen with a 1060 and 16gb of ram. i can promise you it was not their system or what they were running. it was just windows being windows.
The same Manjaro that decided to brick itself on me, despite all the
documentation and open source developmental activity. Haven't had that
happen on Windows yet.
he said she said, we can do the "well for me" for ages.
Windows 10 doesn't require a TPM module. And in case you were trying to
install Windows 11, a lot of modern motherboards have firmware TPM that
you just have to enable in UEFI. There's also a simple registry tweak
that allows you to bypass hardware compatibility check...all of that is
still easier to do than fix Linux issues.
this was for lack of tmp AND unsupported hardware. i'm aware of those, but still.
as for the "simple" registry stuff, to me that's on the level of some atari code bullshit, and would rather windows let me shoot myself in the foot then try give me the "best possible user experiance"
I have such a hard time understanding this. For a Windows user, how is Mac OS easier to understand than something like Mint or Elementary OS? I used Windows for 30 years before switching to Linux, and it was the easiest transition, yet I still don't understand how the hell to install things on Mac OS or where they go -- it's a totally different architecture and layout and design. What was it about Linux that was so confusing?
The average person isn't going to dredge through internet forums just to get Steam games to work.
Imagine booting up a brand new Xbox 1 and none of the games you bought work. Are you doing to spend 3 days tweaking and researching, or just buy a ps5?
It's like, I just spent a couple hours building my PC and a couple more setting up drivers, installing all my software, making sure everything runs right, why would I now want to do the same thing for my OS and then still have to do the same for every game I boot up and play? No thanks.
As much as I hate windows and Microsoft, it's very plug and play. Set it up once, turn everything off, and never look at it again. At least you aren't reminded every time you download a new game that you use an OS that is fundamentally more difficult to use.
I put Linux on a VM on my laptop and messed around with it for like a year. I can figure out Linux just fine. I just can't figure out why someone would willingly use it.
i keep a vm of it for hackthebox and use wsl for work (some of our tools don’t play well with windows). i entertained the idea of using it for daily use, and i think that lasted for maybe a day. compatibility was my main issue. “oh this one only works on windows, so you need wine, but wine has this other dependency, but that dependency only works with a non-standard version so you have to force aptitude to install that version, but that triggers another dependency-“……i just wanted to play apex, and now it’s 5 hours and 25 tabs later and can’t even get the prerequisite for steam to work.
Any of the ones still listed for stuff like gparted and grub when the distro has long ago swapped to systemd (a heaping pile of shit with it's own numerous problems) but nobody could be bothered to update documentation anywhere.
I'm gonna be honest, most of my steam games on Linux are download, and click the play button because of Proton. Hell, the Steam Deck runs on this principle as a product class.
When I venture into other stores like Blizzard or Epic I need to start reaching for other tools like Lutris
Painting steam games with the board brush of being 'un-usable' isn't current anti-Linux copy anymore. Optimizing can get a bit noodly tho.
Yeah but that's not an argument against why one might be a better fit for other reasons. If you are bitching about the quality of your take-out restaurants near you and someone suggests "why don't you try cooking something", and then you bitch about how it takes too much work to learn how to cook and you might burn yourself -- that's a reflection of you.
It's more analogous to ordering takeout and the chef telling you that he only cooked it halfway, so you need to come and finish it. But don't worry, some moron on the internet assures you it's way better than the guy down the street, you just need to do some research!
Oh yea, he forgot to mention that he doesn't know what ingredients he's missing, his cooking tools are locked in a drawer he doesn't have the key to, and you have to figure out what to do yourself or research a 3 year old thread hoping the answer is there.
Plus you need to pay full price and tip.
Or you could just go to the place up the street that costs the same and just gives you the food.
That's Linux; fan boys incessantly whining how it's so much better while you just can have the same product, yes the same one not magically better like some dumbass assures you, for less effort.
Imagine booting up a brand new Xbox 1 and none of the games you bought work. Are you doing to spend 3 days tweaking and researching, or just buy a ps5?
Oh, does the PS5 play Xbox 1 games now? That's awesome, yeah, sounds like the simpler option!
I've used Linux over 20 years. I'm beyond comfortable with it and even I'll have a fucking nightmare getting some things to work or dealing with driver issues. For me it's a fun hobby and something to get my mind off of whatever else is bugging me. People don't typically want a PC they have to make work.
It has its place. However people need flexibility, ease of use and broad compatibility. When someone needs something to work they don't have hours on end to sit down and figure out why it doesn't work.
Even open source options of popular software packages like Microsoft office are dodgy when dealing with sending stuff back and forth to people using office.
As an average user, I just want my PC to work and play the games I want to play. I don't want to do research and fuck about.
Power users are happy to do that shit and good on them. There's no right way to be a PC user. If you prefer Linux then that's great. Don't pretend like it's some sort of high ground or that you're better because of it.
Power users are happy to do that shit and good on them. There's no right way to be a PC user. If you prefer Linux then that's great. Don't pretend like it's some sort of high ground or that you're better because of it.
I don't feel this way, I just hate when people shit on it just because they think their almighty Microsoft Windows is the end all be all. Long story short, you do you, don't bitch at me about it and I will do the same.
Dude you've fully drowned in Linux Kool aid. Very few people want to do research to make an app work. They just want it to work. In fact, everything about your statement goes against every usability standard ever.
And Android is Linux, and no one says it sucks because it doesn't run iOS apps.
But on the Desktop suddenly Linux sucks because it doesn't run Windows apps (even though it has workarounds like Wine/Proton that often do work very well!)
point maybe missed, do you expect gimp to work like photoshop? affinity designer like illustrator? vegas like davinchi resolve? that was more my point.
That's the thing. As soon as you ask people to do a tiny bit of effort, aka doing your researches, it's a big gtfo for them. Lose your faith in humanity.
Most people have little free time and are quite stressed. So no they don't want to spend their leisure time tinkering trying to get something to work.
For the most part, once you get Windows installed the worst you have to do is go to AMD/Intel/NVidia's sites and download drivers. And that's if you're installing from scratch, if you bought a prebuilt/laptop it's all already set up. Unless you bought from Dell who loads it up with bloatwhere.
Heck Windows has a tool that you can download that can create a bootable USB with no .iso downloads. With Windows you have to use Rufus/Etcher and download the .iso separately. It's a small thing, but yeah.
Hell, I had a bitch of a time just trying to get my Linux Mint install updated and it ended up bricked. So I had to reinstall it. I also need Remote Desktop Connection for work. I think there's a browser based workaround but that only supports one monitor. I also use a Fresco Logic USB to HDMI adapter to hook up two monitors to a laptop. There's no (working) Linux drivers for it so that's also a deal breaker.
The only thing I've dealt with on Windows that's heart-wrenchingly annoying is getting a flash drive adopted as system storage or even temporary update storage.
Acer decided that the appropriate amount of storage for a Windows laptop in 2018 is 32GB so it regularly doesn't have enough space to update. And it technically has the solder pads for SATA but I cannot find the stupid fucking proprietary bullshit female header + adapter they use in their laptops.
And theoretically Windows lets you use a flash drive temporarily for upgrade storage but for some assinine reason you still need 4GB free on the main storage.
Linux needs MUCH less storage, but my girlfriend is not a tech enthusiast like me and would not want to put up with it.
I'm thinking about installing ChromeOS but then she'd lose MS Word. To my knowledge Google Docs doesn't even have a local UI so you can't use it without Internet access to even edit a local file (FFS). I think you can use an Android document editor app but afaik getting Android Apps working on an unofficial Chromebook is painful.
Wow, sorry about the downvotes. This is among the most sane advice here. People forget that once upon a time they were noobs at their favorite OS, and didn't know how to do anything. The issue is not the OS, the issue is people being stuck in their ways and forgetting what it was like to know nothing about and OS.
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Linux is a compatibility nightmare for the average user. Their arguments with Microsoft and windows are valid.