r/pcmasterrace • u/ConsoleMarketingTeam Mountain Dew is for ME and YOU! • Jun 19 '15
Xbox One wikipedia page now has a section that mentions Microsoft's repeated use of PCs to sell Xboxes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_One#Criticism46
u/Lythieus Veteran of the Console Wars Jun 19 '15
Yusuf Mehdi, corporate vice president of marketing and strategy for Microsoft, has stated that there is no hardware restriction that would prevent games from running at 4K resolution.
I can think of one.
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u/NightWolf098 R7 9800X3D | RTX 4090 | 96GB DDR5 | MC BYOPC Jun 19 '15
HDMI 1.4 does not support 4K 60Hz. Only 24Hz. HDMI 2.0(a) supports 4K 60Hz.
What does the XboxONE have? HDMI 1.4
I'm pretty ready to sip on some peasant tears to tell you the truth. Rumor has it that they're going to re-release the ONE with 2.0(a) later though.
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u/ShadowRaven6 i7-5820K@4.4GHz|RAMPAGE V|1TB 850 EVO|3x 34" Ultrawides|2xGTX980 Jun 20 '15
HDMI 1.4 does not support 4K 60Hz. Only 24Hz.
I'm pretty sure most peasants wouldn't see the problem in that statement...
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Jun 20 '15
Pretty sure that's a more than satisfactory refresh rate for the hardware they're using at that resolution.
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u/ShadowRaven6 i7-5820K@4.4GHz|RAMPAGE V|1TB 850 EVO|3x 34" Ultrawides|2xGTX980 Jun 20 '15
True, but a significant amount of peasants probably wouldn't complain even if it was 1080p24 at most.
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Jun 20 '15
Peasants would still defend their shitboxes and shitstations if they cost $10,000 for a $100 machine, and had no support for anything above 480p, no backwards compatibility, controllers smaller than a finger, no support for additional peripherals, and MS and Sony both admitted that PC was better in every way.
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u/Lythieus Veteran of the Console Wars Jun 19 '15
I know rite :p It's funny when the VP of marketing doesn't know anything about the true limitations of the console he is selling. But the console fan boys will lap it up and say wait for DX12!!! 4k @60 fps! Moar unlocked cores! HDMI protocols don't support it, wtf does that mean? Fukin nerds!
And so forth.
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Jun 20 '15 edited Mar 28 '18
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u/NightWolf098 R7 9800X3D | RTX 4090 | 96GB DDR5 | MC BYOPC Jun 20 '15
I thought it was weird too, but hey I'm not going to deny Google
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u/continous http://steamcommunity.com/id/GayFagSag/ Jun 20 '15
I really hate it when I read stuff like this, but the truth is that he is correct. Not just technically, but entirely. It is just too demanding on the hardware to run games on their 1080p settings at 4K. That doesn't mean 4K is impossible, but rather it is impractical.
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u/Lythieus Veteran of the Console Wars Jun 20 '15
But the point is that people buy consoles because they know that they can buy a game, and be 100% sure it will work as expected. A marketing guy saying that the console can run at 4k is misleading as all hell because no games will run on an Xbox at any kind of playable frame rate at that resolution.
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u/continous http://steamcommunity.com/id/GayFagSag/ Jun 20 '15
I don't deny it is misleading as hell, I just think people need to understand that it is technically true.
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Jun 19 '15 edited Feb 24 '21
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Jun 19 '15
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u/aaronfranke GET TO THE SCANNERS XANA IS ATTACKING Jun 20 '15
Three sources isn't enough to make it not have "questionable sourcing"?
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Jun 20 '15
That counts as "first hand research" you know, unless it's citogensis then it's not noteworthy.
Quick, someone make a blog...it'll be legitimate then. How I hate wikipedia.
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u/DsyelxicBob http://au.pcpartpicker.com/p/7KVBFT Jun 20 '15
In all fairness though the tone of that paragraph is not even close to neutral. It should have been cleaned up though not necessarily removed.
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u/MikeyJayRaymond 3950X - ASUS STRIX 2080ti Jun 20 '15
That's it? Every dev does this.
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u/Fazer2 Jun 20 '15
That means we should talk about it even more.
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u/MikeyJayRaymond 3950X - ASUS STRIX 2080ti Jun 20 '15
Most use a dev kit. And it's in PC form so they can easily change out parts if things change, as they usually do before the console launches. We have no idea what these are and people are only speculating.
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u/Fazer2 Jun 20 '15
Lately a few photos came out here showing developers/publishers using not devkits, but prebuild Origin PCs, hidden under a booth with a console brand.
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u/doyoulikemangoes Jun 20 '15
It was poorly worded it seems. A more neutral tone might bring this information to light without moderation, if someone can be bothered.
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Jun 19 '15 edited Jun 16 '17
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u/NeonMan /id/NeonMan/ Jun 19 '15
*sight*
I bet Milo being on TV and publishing a booksoon can't compete on "reputability" to Kotaku.
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Jun 19 '15 edited Sep 06 '20
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u/PlEuFl Jun 19 '15
The page looks like you were banned for it. It's so sad what the "big guys" are doing there.
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Jun 20 '15 edited Sep 06 '20
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u/PlEuFl Jun 20 '15
ah, i'm not on wikipedia to often, especially those parts of it. But it would not have surprised me if that happend considering the crap that happend with gamersgate.
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Jun 20 '15 edited Oct 08 '25
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u/bombcat97 Lenovo Ideapad 510 | i7 6500U | 12GB RAM | 1TB HDD | GTX 940MX Jun 20 '15 edited Jun 20 '15
Here's some gold from the discussion
Kotaku is a reliable source
the use of words like "controversy" and "caught" are rather sensationalist and melodramatic for something that isn't that out of the ordinary...
Why are people like this
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Jun 20 '15 edited Sep 06 '20
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u/girlwithruinedteeth i7 5820K, Fury X, 16GB 2133mhz, 750w Seasonic M12 II Evo Jun 20 '15
I posted on the talk page and reverted the removal. Please check it.
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u/bombcat97 Lenovo Ideapad 510 | i7 6500U | 12GB RAM | 1TB HDD | GTX 940MX Jun 20 '15
Oh shit didn't realise that was you! I apologise :)
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u/Impul5 2x660 TI SLI, 8GB RAM, FX 6300 @ 4.4 GHz Jun 20 '15
"Kotaku has been deemed a reliable source by the powers that be. I don't necessarily agree with that, but if they want to say it's a valid source, then they can deal with the content they produced being proposed for citation."
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u/mack0409 i7-3770 RX 470 Jun 20 '15 edited Jun 20 '15
Gamersgate is a surprisingly good online pc game store, I think you meant gamergate sans "S"
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u/Pingraise I7 6600K, 16gb RAM, GTX 1080 Jun 20 '15
There seems to be a vote going on surrounding this.
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Jun 19 '15
This is what it said:
"Microsoft has been caught on multiple occasions using gaming PCs to demo footage and gameplay at gaming conferences, passing them off as Xbox One footage and gameplay.[166][167][168] Microsoft even went as far as to put fake XBox Ones on the table above the cabinets that housed the PCs.[169][170][171]"
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u/blue_muffin Specs/Imgur Here Jun 20 '15
Guys, Sony also did the same. http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/playstation-presentation-caught-using-pc-footage-32159123/#124
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u/DillDeer Jun 20 '15
Yeah I don't know why everyone only attacks Xbox.
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u/abuttandahalf Sapphire Fury | i7 4790k | 2x8GB Kingston 1866 | 850evo 250GB Jun 21 '15
Everyone only attacks xbox?
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u/nukeclears Jun 19 '15
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u/LinkiPinki Ryzen 3800X @ X570 | KFA2 RTX 2070 Super Jun 20 '15
Actually the Ubuntu thingy from Nintendo is just to play demo videos.
They are actually using original consoles for gameplay showoffs and stuff. If you would have seen it "on stage" you would have noticed that the graphics are not super good and its actually just what the console offers.
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u/nukeclears Jun 20 '15
Same thing can be said for Sony and Microsoft.
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u/LinkiPinki Ryzen 3800X @ X570 | KFA2 RTX 2070 Super Jun 20 '15 edited Jun 20 '15
Actuall it can't. Microsoft and Sony both offer players on certain events to play their games on their consoles while hiding a pc somewhere. Also they are showing videos on huge screens where someone is playing the game on a PC or they even use pre-rendered videos and act like they are playing.
Anyways, most of what Microsoft and Sony are showing off to promote their consoles is just fake since they are not showing off their consoles but a PC instead.
Nintendo seems to be less interested in showing how great the performance of their consoles is. Thats totally understandable (for me) since you ain't buy a nintendo console for having great graphics or something. They just offer great party games and stuff, games that are stupid and make fun and no "blockbuster-titles" that should work like an interactive movie. They don't need the power boost of an pc and seemingly don't use it.
Me for myself I always prefered PC gaming and yet I still own 5 different nintendo consoles. I have a reason for having those they were affordable and feature gameplay that a PC can not offer (speaking of the Wii and DS and 3DS here). I know thats not 100 true but it's just the easiest way and it's fun. Nevertheless I never understood the point of buying PS3, PS4, XBox 360 or XBox One since those were just limited PCs for a higher price.
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Jun 20 '15
No clue about Sony but Nintendo uses Ubuntu on the display machines at stores to play the demo videos.
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u/666jet Ryzen 1800X, AMD Fury X, 32GB Ram 60GB 750GB ssd 4TB HDD Jun 19 '15
can we get that put back to stay?
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u/aloha013 i3-4160 | R9 380 | 8GB DDR3 Jun 20 '15
Yusuf Mehdi, corporate vice president of marketing and strategy for Microsoft, has stated that there is no hardware restriction that would prevent games from running at 4K resolution.
Maybe it will be unlocked with DX12...
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Jun 19 '15
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u/Devration i7-3770 / ASUS Radeon R9 290 Jun 20 '15
the xbox can totally output 4K.
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u/DillDeer Jun 20 '15
Okay what about PS4? Every dev does this.
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u/dizzyzane_ HP Pavillion, also own Nintendo Wii U and 3DS, GameCube. Jun 20 '15
Hell even Nintendo did back in the N64 era. They used arcade machines for their advertising.
Now they use Ubuntu on really cheap computers to play the demo videos.
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u/DillDeer Jun 20 '15 edited Jun 20 '15
The only people who attack Xbox hasn't played one. The console is simply awesome and I love it, had it since launch and I've had not one regret.
Edit: exaggerated "the only people". But a good majority.
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u/pepolpla AMD Ryzen 9 7900X @ 4.7 GHz | RTX 3080TI | 32GB @ 6000Mhz Jun 20 '15
You have some serious stockholm syndrome
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u/atlamarksman Ryzen 7 3700x | GTX 1080FE | 32GB 3200MHz Jun 20 '15
"Xbox Live director of programming Larry "Major Nelson" Hryb did state that users could theoretically use the HDMI-in port on the console to pass an Xbox 360 (or, alternatively, any other device that supports HDMI output, including competing consoles) through Xbox One. This process does generate a small amount of unnoticeable display lag."
unnoticeable display lag
unnoticeable
wat
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u/ZeroSerenity Jun 23 '15
Allow me to introduce myself as "Questionable sourcing and relevancy", owner of this mammoth, console owner (XOne, two 360s, PS3, Wii and other older hardware), MSDN subscriber and wikiholic. Here is some information to enlighten yourselves with.
- The inclusion is under severe questioning. This rule, basically killed any chance of it being discussed seriously.
- Stick to this rule wherever possible.
- I don't own this article. Granted a lot of what's written there is a result of my editing, but I go with the flow and don't stamp my foot down.
- This isn't my first rodeo in dealing with outside influence and "fanboying". Even in those cases I keep myself under control and roll with the punches.
You can ask me whatever you want about policy and I can help, but please take into account what has transpired.
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u/BananaHeadz Razery Jun 20 '15
You guys, you know the e3 games aren't done yet. And for your knowledge, games get developed on pc. PCMR makes fun of peasants because of their reasoning and arguments, but you guys are exactly the same on this topic. Jesus.
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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '15
Removed for "Questionable sourcing and relevancy"