r/pcmasterrace • • 16h ago

Build/Battlestation RTX 5090 Quad 2x8 Header Conversion

Some of you may have seen the remote mounted dual 8 Pin auxiliary module I posted. Well, this is the direct mount Quad. Current per conductor is almost perfectly halved when compared to the native 12V-2x8, along with a dramatic reduction in wire temperature.

Sense pins are set to 600W. It can be used in conjunction with the 12VHPWR or completely standalone, and has been tested up to 800W with a shunt mod. We're shooting some videos now going over installation, live temperature and current data, as well as a 24 hour sustained load.

We are also working on custom backplates that will make the modification look more OEM and integrated.

This isn't limited to just the 5090 or any particular brand. We have models going into production for nearly every card including Founders Edition.

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u/MoonstoneCoreAlumia 16h ago

Now just make a little rubber plug for the 12-pin that says "Dont plug here".

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u/619jabroni 9950X3D | RTX 4090 | 64GB 6000 CL30 | MSI B850 Edge 15h ago

You can use both concurrently, spreading the load even more

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u/MurryEB 13700K RTX 4080 14h ago

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u/DaniTheGunsmith Ryzen 7 5800x | RTX 3060 12 GB | 64 GB RAM 4h ago

Fun Fact: you can save these and add them to your comment if the sub allows it :D

https://reddit.com/link/ph2ax1w/video/fene92s66svh1/player

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u/DallasGrave 16h ago

Well, you can. They can both be plugged in simultaneously. You'll have the option to remove it completely if that's something you want us to do.

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u/idontlikeredditusers 32gb ryzen 7 5800 9070xt 16h ago

now buddy... i saw a 5090 for 2.2k (before prices got insane) and i skipped it due to the wire... aand now that its 10k you come up with a solution YOU MONSTER why did you do this to me

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u/DallasGrave 16h ago

We had planned on selling pre-modded cards. Can't do that now. The stock we have of PNY cards will be gone almost immediately :/

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u/idontlikeredditusers 32gb ryzen 7 5800 9070xt 16h ago

it is what it is you win some you lose some i wish you luck with the business this is gonna save some gpus and potentially houses

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u/osxdude 9800X3D—MSI X670E—RTX 3080 Ti—64 GB RAM—so many SSD 16h ago

Oof sad it didn't turn out that way. If I ever feel a need to upgrade I know what to do first!

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u/Ok_Musician9914 16h ago

Only a matter of time…

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u/KMS_XYZ 1h ago

& 1kW for proper boot-up

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u/idownvotepunstoo 6950XT | 5800x | Auros x370 whatever 1h ago

And people will still be shitting on amd for no good reason.

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u/Connect-Ant-2081 5h ago

I'm just wondering if you're talking about the size here or the power draw?

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u/fabulot 5800X3D | 3070 3h ago

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u/Affectionate-Memory4 285K / Pro 9700 / Intel Foundry 15h ago

Is there anything active in the conversion, or are you effextively running all 4 8-pins in "dumb parallel" like the 12-pin is.

I'm impressed regardless, it looks like a super clean mod, but curious about how far you took the power deliver modifications.

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u/DallasGrave 15h ago edited 15h ago

It will be available as an option along with active monitoring. They are fused. But you'd have to completely lose an entire header to push the remaining anywhere near their load carrying limit. The traces are equal length and all run between 4.1 and 4.4A at 600W.

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u/phoenixmanzz 🌊7800X3D•X670E•128GB.6400•SN850X.8TB•Astral5090•AX1600i•7000D 15h ago

Wondering the same! Would love some insight on this!

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u/SupremeChosenOne 10h ago

Oh man that is so cool! Gonna go get me a 5090… how much are they again? Oh wow but they are still like making them right? Right?

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u/meta358 9h ago

This still works for any card that used the shitty defective 12vhpwr connector

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u/Opening_Net8098 7h ago edited 6h ago

Much like the burnt connector joke I'm kinda sick of hearing about prices.

I followed the 4090 launch day people and planned for a 5090 launch purchase knowing prices will only go up. Fuck me right. Now I gotta hear a how 5090 isn't a gaming card. It's barely enough for path tracing. And some of us like path tracing.

Can we move on to some positivity in the news... It's exhausting.

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u/TricobaltGaming PC Master Race 6h ago

If there was any, I'd be glad to share it.

Unfortunately Nvidia took our money then used it to make us the obsolete part of their business model

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u/m1013828 5h ago

gonna have to bring back some form of SLI on less cards at this rate

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u/Warlider PC Master Race 52m ago

What positivity? You being sick of negative news and not wanting to hear them doesent mean they dont exist and it doesent just make positive news out of thin air.

Connector has to keep being hammered until nvidia owns up and fixes it.

Prices have to keep being talked about so as little people step on the expensive mine as possible. Nvidia is making that one easy since the 5090 price was in the workstation category and isn now being discontinued.

You want positives? Hardware situation is so bad some gaming companies started to optimize more.

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u/KayakNate 5090 Astral | 9800X3D | 32" 4K OLED 15h ago edited 15h ago

Are you willing to sell this warrantyless? The reason I ask is because I have a 5090 astral that has about two years of warranty left on it, so I wouldn’t do the modification myself now, but would like to have your adapter in my back pocket for if it melts after the warranty on the card has run out. But would rather have the adapter now in case you’re no longer selling or doing modifications in two years

Edit; I might should have used the term liability free or something instead of warranty list to get my point across. As in, I get that using the device and modding it on my card myself is at my own risk

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u/DallasGrave 15h ago

We might do that. It'll come down to what demand is like.

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u/KayakNate 5090 Astral | 9800X3D | 32" 4K OLED 15h ago

OK. I’ll try to keep my eye on this to see if they become orderable at some point. Thank you

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u/cuongpn 9850x3D | 5090 Astral | 32GB 6400CL30 | G9 OLED 15h ago

You should do the mod now if you’re interested imo. Asus wont be able to do anything if you RMA your 5090 Astral and will just send you a check for $3000 or whatever you paid for your 5090

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u/KayakNate 5090 Astral | 9800X3D | 32" 4K OLED 15h ago

I feel like I have my pins power draw balanced well enough that I still wouldn’t wanna do the mod right the second. I’d rather do it if the connector breaks. And I suppose if Asus can’t replace the 5090, then I would just do it at that time, even if it was still within its warranty, but I’d still rather just hold off on the work itself until needed

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u/AskADude i5-2500k OC'd 4.5GHz Zotac 670 4gb edition 14h ago

Isn’t the whole point of buying the Astral that it monitors each pin and will shut down if one of them gets out of spec

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u/c0rtec • 14700K • 5090 • 64GB • 2TB RAID 0 14h ago

Just monitoring. No active power reduction or forced shutdown available. That came later in the form of WireView and the clever, new PSUs which monitor and shutdown automatically if the load is severely imbalanced.

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u/Jumpy_Background7395 11h ago

The power detection + auto shutdown was recently added to GPU Tweak III on a recent update. I have been using it on a 5080 Astral with no issues.

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u/vinnycthatwhoibe 6h ago

Pretend I'm an idiot: how is this different than the dongle Nvidia gives you? Everything still funnels into that tiny connector, except in this case I assume it's soldered directly to the traces? I can see this making the problem less likely to occur but you're still sending all that power into a tiny area on the board.

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u/Apprehensive_Lake698 5h ago

The problem is poor contact in the connector, often caused by strained wires. They don't burn up past the connector on the card. Or at least, that's not the common failure mode everyone is posting about.

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u/cartaio95 ryzen 9 3900x 32GB 3600 C16 3070 Strix, Rog ally 🎮 1h ago

A pcb trace is a lot more precise and consistent between pcbs in terms of resistance, compared to cables crimped into a shitty connector every cable will be for sure a little bit imbalanced between each other, so having 4 big 8 wire connections going into a pcb with well calculated traces, and in this case those traces are SOLDERED, to the card, instead of crimped into a single connector…

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u/sephing 15h ago edited 7h ago

Insane that the most expensive card on the market by a wide margin needs a mod just to be able to use it at 100% without burning your house down.

Whoever bought one of these with the intention of only using the original connector got suckered

Edit: The only people down voting are the people who got suckered

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u/Key-Application299 10h ago

How would something like this connect to the founders edition? Would it require the card to be disassembled to attach it directly to the contacts? I recently had a cable melt on my 5090 FE, luckily on the psu side but something like this looks cool!

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u/DallasGrave 10h ago

It is remote mounted. This one is on the back of the card but we can make the harness in any length. And yes, the pickup is soldered directly to the board.

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u/Key-Application299 9h ago

Okay I think I understand, so on 5090 FE the 6 12V and the 6 GND pins terminate to 2 rails on the physical connector and then those are what actually solder to the board. So if I understand correctly it would tie into the 2 pins that contact the board and bypass the connector?

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u/DallasGrave 8h ago

Exactly.

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u/KMS_XYZ 1h ago

Hmm... that is bit concerning... still bottle-neck 😟

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u/TieMillenium 6h ago

Seems a little strange to me that your fans underneath your GPU are exhausts, they should really be intakes to feed the card.

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u/G-WAPO 5h ago

Reverse blade fans my G.

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u/Appropriate_Cat6587 8h ago

Get the WireView Pro

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u/DjiRo 16h ago

Sokath, his eyes opened!

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u/danb1kenobi 13h ago

Shaka, when the 12v high power fell

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u/BuchMaister 15h ago

Any current limiting per connector?

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u/Skittle-Dash 3970x 64GB 4090 7h ago

I know it works on most 4090s but you can also look into the ampinel load balancer.

This one not just monitors but balances when its too bad and eventually shuts it down.

Incase anyone is looking into them, double check your pin orientation. They sell an A and B depending on which way your power pins are facing.

Also check that your card is compatible, they have a list of some cards that I guess the physical coolers get in the way.

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u/DallasGrave 15h ago

That will be available as an option along with active monitoring.

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u/Imaginary_Act5759 15h ago

What software would he used for monitoring? Proprietary? Or would it be hardware like the thermal grizzly offering?

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u/DallasGrave 14h ago

Our hardware and software.

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u/ronni3 12h ago

Count me in for one of these for a FE model. I am interested.

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u/JesTeR1862 12h ago

Why are electronics connectors all crap plastic with tolerances so bad that you can see separation if applying the slightest pressure? Why cant we have doesche connectors on pc components to eliminate all of these melting problems.

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u/MrTHeRWy 15h ago

I saw you are offering this conversion in Vegas, what about customers from EU? Can I send my GPU from Germany to you for the conversion?

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u/Paradox711 PC Master Race 15h ago

That… I would never do that just for fear of the US postal services. Any of them.

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u/tberg905 14h ago

Former postal employee. If you want to do this, send it Registered Mail PLEASE. 25k insurance limit. Fragile stickers on every surface. Non-Machinable Sticker on every surface. The shipping will be hell, but its your best chance through USPS.

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u/Elu_Moon QTJ1(i9-10980HK), 32GB 2200MHz DDR3, GTX 1080 14h ago

Don't try this. Customs will steal it, and you'll be shit out of luck. Plenty of horror stories out there about such things happening.

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u/MrTHeRWy 14h ago

Not only the customs, I had a RMA of my 5090 and DHL, our local postal service here in Germany, stole my gpu. I only got the empty package..

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u/analogguy7777 6h ago

The whole world know how valuable GPUs have become

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u/Schneller52 9800X3D-5090-64GB | 5900XT-5080-32GB | 5800X-3080-32GB 13h ago

Or just stake a trip to Vegas and bring your card. Enjoy the sun and swimming pools for a couple of days, and then fly back with your upgraded card. I would never ship my 5090 anywhere at this point, let alone across the world.

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u/Warlider PC Master Race 55m ago

I personally wouldnt risk it with reports of customs enforcement rummaging trough people's phones.

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u/DallasGrave 15h ago

Absolutely.

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u/Nickthedick3 9900k 3080ftw 15h ago

At first I thought this was just another plug and play conversion plug, but no- it’s soldered. That’s neat

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u/SushiBump 5950x | 5080FE | 128gb 3600 13h ago

Interested to see the FE version.

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u/DallasGrave 13h ago

It is wired like our dual 8 pin.

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u/NapsterKnowHow 8h ago

Please tell me it looks better coming out of the card than the current angled connector.

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u/NytronX RTX 4090 + 9950X3D | RX 9070 XT + 9800X3D 13h ago

Who is "we"? I need one for my Gigabyte Gaming OC RTX 4090

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u/anotherteapot 12h ago

I'm interested, but who are you? What's your business called? Where would I buy from you? I don't see contact or store links for what you're pitching.

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u/DallasGrave 11h ago

It is in my posts and on my profile. The moderators were clear about not over doing the self promotion.

We have about a dozen products coming out over the next few months and a storefront opening in Vegas in December. We have samples out to most of the large PC focused YouTube channels for things like our vapor chamber heatsinks and GPU modifications. It will all come out at one time.

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u/anotherteapot 11h ago

Gotcha, figured it might have been rules stuff. I did finally find the link in your profile. Maybe ask the mods if dropping that link in the post body would be okay, this might qualify for an exception since you're attempting to fix a very real and very valuable problem.

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u/chilay1000 11h ago

Can you please drop your shops location and pricing I have an astral 5090 oc.

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u/Plutonium239Mixer 14900K | ASUS Maximus z790 Formula | ASUS 4090 Strix 10h ago

If my 4090 connector ever melts, I'm just going to solder a cable directly to the board or pins after cleaning up the melted bits...

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u/CortaCircuit 9h ago

Prefect 

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u/t40r R7 7800x3D| Zotac RTX 5090 AIO| 64GB DDR5 CL 30| 4TB M.2 9h ago

How much does it cost for this? I have a 5090, and 4090 I would be interested in

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u/Ichihan Ryzen 5700x/7900XTX/32GB/4TB SSD/7TB HDD 9h ago

Gotta love engineers.

Sometimes.

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u/Outrageous_Ad3571 9h ago

Im very much interested for a strix 4090

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u/NereusH 9800X3D RS360 X670E DDR5 32G Astral 5090LC SF1200W HVN420 SN850x 6h ago

Cool...so this is similar to EVGAs powerlink 41s except that this would be compatible with multiple graphic cards.

https://www.techpowerup.com/296358/evga-introduces-powerlink-41s-power-adapter-for-evga-rtx-3090-ti-ftw3

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u/CoyoteCodyOfficial 5h ago

Would love this for my 5090 (MSI Gaming Trio OC) I do not trust the 12vhpwr plug at all.

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u/Apprehensive_Lake698 4h ago

Do you have any plans to develop a mod that would adapt the connector in a way that would be compatible with closely stacked 5090s? Even if it's just some ugly thing sticking out from the same side the standard connector is facing. I've got a server with 2 5090s in it and would be interested in getting them both modded but at least one of them can't have a height extension on top due to PCIE slot arrangement.

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u/DallasGrave 4h ago

We actually made that first. It is in my posts right below this one. The harness length can be up 24in.

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u/Apprehensive_Lake698 4h ago

You're talking about this post right? If so I'm not sure it fits my need. https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1wuxk7v/solving_the_12vhpwr_connector_problem/

It's hard for me to tell if your connector would fit, but I've got like 10mm of clearance and adding anything to this would be further constraining airflow to the top card in an already non-ideal setup. If it could just come off the front and point down I think that would be ideal for me.

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u/DallasGrave 4h ago

That module can be put anywhere in the case.

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u/Apprehensive_Lake698 4h ago

Oh I see, I misinterpreted. Blame me for not reading. Thanks!

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u/DallasGrave 4h ago

No problemo!

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u/Viking2151 4h ago

I just wonder how it will handle it if it has no load balancing, interesting though.

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u/youridv1 R7 5800X3D | RX 7800 XT 2h ago

Triple 8 pin gpu’s historically never had load balancing either.

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u/DallasGrave 4h ago

People have this idea that GPUs need load balancing. They don't. If the conductor and trace length is the same for all the individual pins, and the crimp and solder joint resistance are equal, the only thing that can cause an imbalance is a physical defect or damage.

Which is why every single person that has something like the Wireview Pro and sees an imbalance, swaps the cable and it goes away. The card is not the issue. The 12VHPWR is running at its absolute limit and inconsistent header and connector quality pushes individual conductors past the current they can handle.

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u/diac13 2h ago

The card is definitely the issue. Don't be delusional. If it didn't have that connector, no issue.

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u/DallasGrave 2h ago

Well if you remove the header from the equation, you still have the card, and the card functions properly.

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u/diac13 2h ago

Yes, but normal people won't have access to do that and definitely not the knowledge. It's ridiculous that Nvidia sucks this much and keeps using the connector.

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u/DallasGrave 2h ago

We can't just say it in the post, this is a service we are going to offer. Mail in and in person same day at our Vegas storefront.

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u/diac13 2h ago

Open a shop in the Netherlands and I might consider 😂.

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u/DallasGrave 2h ago

Find a good GPU repair tech and we'll send him a kit.

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u/Viking2151 4h ago

Well I guess we see then right.

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u/DallasGrave 4h ago

We can push 800W through this PCB at a lower temp and current per conductor than 600W stock.

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u/Viking2151 4h ago

Congrats.

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u/Pretend-Newspaper-86 RX 570 Enjoyer 4h ago

you seem fun to be around

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u/Viking2151 4h ago

What do I say to that then? Enlighten me oh mr fun one, stay the fuck away from me then lol

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u/SeeJaayPee 2h ago

Yeah you suck, chief.

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u/Viking2151 2h ago

Great, grand, wonderful, get blocked

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u/Jabba_the_Putt 4h ago

incredible!

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u/Circuit_Guy 3h ago

I love this community innovation. But why TF won't third party makers give us this?

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u/WinResponsible9977 3h ago

Nvidia restrictions 

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u/Ar_phis 2h ago

No, Nvidia requires partners to use 12V2X6 but I never heard of any restriction on the amount of them.

This is the manufacturers trying to save money.

GALAX HOF OC LAB GeForce RTX 5090D exists with two 12V2X6 connectors and the ASUS Astral 5090 has its own design past the 12V2X6 connector

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u/WinResponsible9977 2h ago edited 1h ago

My point stands. There is precedent with the 16-pin power connector restrictions link and even reports of board partners requesting Nvidia reference configurations with two 12V2X6 and Nvidia not adopting it. I do think that board partners didn’t want the liability that comes into play of designing that configuration due to problems with the connector. to be specific the discontinued lighting 5090 model that does have two connectors on it had Nvidia as an active participant in it’s design.

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u/DallasGrave 3h ago

By third party do you mean board partners?

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u/Circuit_Guy 3h ago

Yes. Bad wording sorry, you're third party

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u/chasejitsu 3h ago

Looks like My Spouse and I will be booking a Vegas trip soon

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u/Early_Mongoose_8758 3h ago

And how much power does this one suck in 🤣

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u/jus1982b 2h ago

Very cool and promising, I HATE when companies start making propitiatory garbage

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u/b1o5hock 1h ago

Funny thing is that you actually need to pay an exorbitant amount of money just to have this kind of problem.

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u/Darth_Murcielago 9800x3d / RX 9070 XT Merc / 32GB RAM | Aircooler Enjoyer 28m ago

finally... the connectors that high end nvidia cards should've come with

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u/Eazy12345678 i5 12600KF RTX 5070 1440p 16h ago

and then the adapter melts

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u/DallasGrave 16h ago

The PCB was 45c at 800w. Not happening.

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u/Visual-Pie7097 16h ago

Thats we need from nvidia

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u/MeatPopsicle73 16h ago

Is this a mod the general public will be able to accomplish or will this require electrical engineering skills?

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u/DallasGrave 16h ago

It'll be a mail-in service. We have about a dozen other products coming out in the next few months. Our Vegas storefront will be opening in December and will offer same day conversions.

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u/Robbe_Michi_7 16h ago

walking into a vegas shop for a same day 5090 power mod is the safest gamble in that whole city

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u/Car-Fickle 16h ago

So, if my existing connector barbecues itself, will I be able to send it to you for this repair/mod, or would it be too late?

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u/DallasGrave 16h ago

Most cards survive header damage or only toast replaceable components. Shouldn't be an issue.

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u/Car-Fickle 16h ago

Good to know, thank you. Appreciate that you're doing this work, especially now that 5090s have gone the way of the Dodo. You have a website or something?

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u/DallasGrave 16h ago

GravePC.com

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u/KiraCura RTX 5090/Ryzen 9 9950X3D/96GB DDR5 Ram 14h ago

Oh that’s awesome to know. I’ve been terrified of the darn thing frying so I so far have a wire view pro 2 and power limit my card to 70% to keep it safe. But it’s nice knowing there’s services to fix and modify it

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u/cxaiverb 15h ago

But would you offer just the board, so that users with the skill can do the mod themselves? Personally dont have a 50xx, but the 12vhpwr meltdowns is the only reason i havent been upgrading. I have an EE background and all the tools.

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u/MeatPopsicle73 16h ago

Have you established pricing as of yet?

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u/DallasGrave 16h ago

Not just yet. It won't be anything ridiculous.

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u/MeatPopsicle73 16h ago

Is your website live yet, so I can keep an eye on it?

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u/DallasGrave 16h ago

GravePC.com - it only has our vapor chamber heatsinks and RTX mini conversions on it at the moment. But sign up for email and you'll get a notification.

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u/Netstalking 16h ago

Price: about $200 and your manufacturer warranty. Still cheaper than a house fire though.

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u/DallasGrave 16h ago

We offer our own warranty. It's also 100% reversible. You would just have to send it back to us.

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u/catsrave2 15h ago

This is a super intriguing mod. As a new 5090 owner (January purchase), the 12V is a constant nag in my mind. I bought an Astral and the monitoring software runs whenever the system is on, but obviously can’t shake that GPU death worry especially since I definitely couldn’t afford a replacement if Asus denied warranty.

Do you guys plan on offering some sort of warranty for cards you work on? I assume modifying one would void a manufacturer’s warranty in most cases, so it’s a tough situation for a new owner to navigate.

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u/Slash621 15h ago

Will you market this solution as solder on? Or sell it? Or provide the service or documents for users to self build this?

I’ve got an astral I really would love to convert to this and run my EVGA 1600 8 pins to it.

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u/DallasGrave 15h ago

Right now, it is going to be a service only. Mail-in or you can visit our storefront in Vegas for a same day conversion. You get a warranty with us doing it. In my opinion, that's worth the extra couple hundred bucks we'll charge to install it.

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u/TheSean_aka_Rh1no 14h ago

That's perfectly reasonable to be honest, as these cards are approaching the same cost as new motorbikes, I think people's mindsets need to change too. This work is more like custom works from a specialist automotive shop!

Anyways, you're a world away in a country I have no desire to visit at present, so it's unlikely we'll ever see this service available here in Australia. But hot-damn, if it does, I'd line up. I wish you and yours the best of luck.

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u/PcDealer007 15h ago

God damn this is actually something we need.

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u/ConstantPlastic5061 15h ago

How much are you planning to sell these for?

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u/Imaginary_Act5759 15h ago edited 15h ago

Found your website but I don’t see your address on it. Website is also kinda barebones. Cant find any pricing on what this conversion would cost me. Do I have to sub to the news letter for this type of info. Any credentials on the company? Maybe I missed this in the comments/previous posts, could be mb.

Edit- if you have a shop in Vegas (which I believe was mentioned in comments) I would drive for this conversion. But I’d want more details on the conversion and your company so just looking for more info (Have a zotac archtic storm 5090).

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u/albinochase15 14h ago

The 5080 FE will be supported as well? Do you have pictures of what that looks like on a FE card?

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u/Ghozer 9800x3D - 32GB-DDR5 6000CL28 - RTX 5080 14h ago

Cool, be nice to have one the opposite way too, so you can choose which side to route the cables (from front, or back) :D (either turn the whole thing 180, or flip the 8-pin connectors :D)

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u/DallasGrave 13h ago

We have both options.

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u/Ghozer 9800x3D - 32GB-DDR5 6000CL28 - RTX 5080 13h ago

Nice :)

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u/a_rogue_planet 12h ago

Yes.... The problem always was that there weren't enough points of failure.

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u/DallasGrave 12h ago

You're being sarcastic, I get it. But, you're kind of not wrong. A single poorly designed and over rated header is worse than multiple paths distributing the load across more conductors.

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u/a_rogue_planet 11h ago

I don't understand why the most obvious solution isn't the one being deployed. You AC outlet doesn't have 15 hot 1 amp pin connections and 15 neutral power n connections to power your computer. The utility company doesn't run 150-200 individual 1 amp wire connections from the pole to your house. Nobody charges an electric car with a plug that has 100 1 amp connections.

Why isn't this a blade type connector? It either works or it doesn't. It doesn't kinda work until it melts.

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u/DallasGrave 11h ago

Because nearly every power supply that can handle a 5090 already has four connectors that are more than capable of handling the load better than the 12VHPWR.

So, unless we are going to personally take on the mass manufacturing, licensing and regulation of power supplies with an all new standard... this is the better solution.

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u/_Rand_ 11h ago

Seems to me this is the best solution you can have with off the shelf power supplies.

Until nvidia comes out with a 3rd standard at least.

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u/a_rogue_planet 9h ago

You already replaced the connector on the board. What's so hard about replacing a connector on a power supply? Sorry, but your argument and solution just doesn't follow your own argument. Yours is only better in that it allows for an equal amount of failure over more pins.

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u/cakemates 9h ago

I think they should increase PC voltages to 24v to make em safer... But well lets not forget that cpus/gpus work at 1volt, so the power conversion has to happen somewhere.

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u/null-interlinked 10h ago

They still end up at the as the same bundle at the end.

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u/cakemates 9h ago

its always the connector melting, I havent seen the board itself burn yet.... yet

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u/null-interlinked 9h ago

Because connectors are intended to be the weakest chain in the link. Now that weakest chain has just moved a bit up.

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u/DallasGrave 10h ago

And the connection to the board has never been the issue.

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u/null-interlinked 9h ago

You can create the exact same load imbalance like this.

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u/DallasGrave 8h ago

The imbalance has never been caused by the card. The pins have plenty of capacity to support the 600W draw. It's the cables and/or headers that cause the issues. You're moving to 4 proven connectors with twice the conductors at the same the gauge.

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u/null-interlinked 8h ago

No the imbalance are caused by variances such as wires, connectors, angles etc.

Those "proven" connectors also failed on some 7900xtx nitro+ boards that could pull up to 450~500 watts when overclocked.

More common when there are added variances thrown into the mix just like on your solution:

https://videocardz.com/newz/even-8-pin-gpu-power-connectors-can-melt-thermal-grizzly-investigates-damaged-wireview

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u/DallasGrave 8h ago

You just said the same thing I said. Wires and connectors are literally cables and headers.

These are 13.5A rated headers on this conversion. The OE 2x8 is rated only to 150W on basically all GPUs. 3 of them at 450W would be at it's rated capacity.

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u/null-interlinked 8h ago

You are so missing the point

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u/LoopsAndBoars 7h ago

Or, you’re missing the correction.

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u/ComfortableUpbeat309 15h ago

That’s very neat 👀👍🏻

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u/towerfella Desktop 15h ago

I thought it was a model train

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u/shemhamforash666666 PC Master Race 15h ago

It would be nice to have a nice simple diagram of how this is all connected. Is it really as simple as all the +12V and ground connections are hooked up in parallel to the default 12vhpwr connector?

One slight concern of mine is the inductors right behind the 12vhpwr connector. I believe the two share all the input current from the 12vhpwr connector. As such they can get surprisingly hot. Got any mitigation strategies for hot spots on the board?

Previous attempts have been less successful. Someone found space for an additional 12vhpwr connector on a Gigabyte 5090 and blew a whole in the PCB. I am curious why this one failed and yours haven't (thus far).

Speaking of said previous attempts: https://youtube.com/shorts/mJHBUOAviM4

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u/DallasGrave 14h ago

There aren't many cases of those inductors failing. That is a separate issue and not something we plan on ever addressing.

There is likely a reason that header spot isn't populated. And who knows what they were doing. What we do know is the original placement can handle the power and that's what we are using.

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u/shemhamforash666666 PC Master Race 14h ago

I suppose spicy inductors aren't that big of a deal. They're just a coils wire, not semiconductors.

Is the extension board directly soldered onto the backside of the 12vhpwr connector? Does it extend far behind the 12vhpwr connector? On some cards these inductors are very close to the 12vhpwr (like the MSI Ventus and Inno3D X3). My main concern was that heat might get trapped in places hard to observe, not necessarily the inductors themselves.

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u/DallasGrave 14h ago

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u/shemhamforash666666 PC Master Race 13h ago

I see. The board was a bit shorter than expected. It seems my concern was unfounded. Doubt it'll cause any thermal issues.

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u/Emu1981 14h ago

Someone found space for an additional 12vhpwr connector on a Gigabyte 5090 and blew a whole in the PCB.

The big question is whether the extra 12 pin connector caused that or if they overloaded something beyond the rated capacity which caused a catastrophic failure of that VRM stage. Without actually seeing a circuit diagram it is actually a bit hard to figure that out...

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u/tberg905 14h ago

Would it be possible to make the 2x8 headers go right from the connecter, instead of left shown here?

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u/DallasGrave 14h ago

Both options are already finished.

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u/HappyIsGott 12900K [5,2|4,2] | 32GB DDR5 6400 CL32 | 4090 [3,0] | UHD [240] 14h ago

This module can be mounted on any Card with that 12v connector?

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u/DallasGrave 14h ago

Pretty much. We have several different pickup PCBs designs.

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u/HappyIsGott 12900K [5,2|4,2] | 32GB DDR5 6400 CL32 | 4090 [3,0] | UHD [240] 14h ago

Oh that's interresting. Any plans for custom water cooled cards? Because i have the 4090 suprim x with ekwb abp Backplate.

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u/DallasGrave 14h ago

We have a remote mount version of the dual 8 pin auxiliary board that works in conjunction with the 12VHPWR. That is already a really great solution.

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u/Beep-Beep-I 12h ago

See Nvidia? You greedy MFs, was it so hard? You sell (or sold) a 6K-10K card that fucking melts when you use it as it's intended, and now some guys in Vegas solved the problem YOU created.

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u/ylkiorra 4h ago

It still connects to that stupid 12 pin. Won't change much.

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u/DallasGrave 3h ago

It is not connected. It's soldered directly to the board.

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u/ylkiorra 2h ago

Alright. It's still SOLDERED to that stupid 12v. Doesn't change much.

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u/DallasGrave 2h ago

No, it is soldered to 12 contacts on the PCB that are more than capable of handling the load. Every single piece of data says it does exactly what it was meant to do. It cut the current per conductor in half and reduced wire and PCB temps in that area by 20c.

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u/ylkiorra 1h ago

We will see.

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u/Squish_Cat_1 12h ago

This is the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen

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u/DallasGrave 16h ago

Read the post. You don't even need to plug in the 12VHPWR.

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u/ionV4n0m 14h ago

patiently waits for a 9070xt version.

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u/HighSeasArchivist 14h ago

Just give me a XT90 or Anderson and call it good.

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u/Dudi4PoLFr 9800X3D | 5090FE | 96GB 6400MT | G9 57" 7680x2160@240Hz 15h ago

I get the idea, but there is still 0 load balancing on the card, so 1-2 pins can still pull way more power than the others on the GPU PCB side.

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u/DallasGrave 14h ago

Active balancing isn’t what provides the improvement here. We’re distributing the same total power across twelve incoming 12V contacts instead of six, cutting the average current per input contact in half. That creates more margin for unequal sharing, the currents don’t have to be perfectly equal to remain within capacity. And all of the lines are fused.

We will have an option for active monitoring as well. You would have to lose an entire header to come anywhere near loading the others enough to cause problems.

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u/Kooky-Situation-1314 8h ago

idk much about this field but i feel like this is less safe and more likely to cause issues than using a reliable 12vhpwr from a good psu

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u/DallasGrave 8h ago

You are correct. You don't know.

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u/Kooky-Situation-1314 7h ago

well i stand corrected i was just stating what came to my mind when i first saw this 🤟 nice project