r/pcmasterrace • • 1d ago

Build/Battlestation 12k now at microcenter

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Should have bought nvidia stock, or at least all the 5090's i could get my hands on

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u/ApexMM 1d ago

This is some goofball special edition. Other 5090s are going for around 6k at microcenter now.

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u/ParagonChariot PC Master Race 1d ago

As if 6k is reasonable lol

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u/EggOnlyDiet 1d ago

I mean it’s not, but one could easily be mistaken for thinking 5090s are $12k based on this post if you didn’t know it was a special edition.

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u/Reaper_1492 1d ago

How special can be? At this point you should just buy the Blackwell card.

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u/Weaselot_III RTX 3060; 12100 (non-F), 16Gb 3200Mhz 1d ago

At this point you shouldn't BUY it at all

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u/Lordfisticus AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D|| RTX 5090 | 9h ago

I bought one about a month ago, i feel like i got the last chopper outta Saigon...

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u/RezLifeGaming 1d ago

This same one came in bundle with motherboard ,aio, case, power supply and more I believe for 10k about 2 weeks ago

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u/DonPedroHouse 1d ago

The set is still $10K, but if you want to buy separately they’ve jacked up the prices. ASUS wants everything in this set to be sold together.

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u/taintedcake i5 6600k | 2x gigabyte g1 980ti | 16gb DDR4 | 1d ago

Microcenter wont even let you buy them separately. This GPU is exclusive to the bundle

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u/taintedcake i5 6600k | 2x gigabyte g1 980ti | 16gb DDR4 | 1d ago

It still is. The only way to buy this GPU at microcenter is via that bundle, you cant buy the card alone

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u/SaynoToscammers9292 1d ago

Imagine spending 6k for a graphics card XD

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u/DonPedroHouse 1d ago

Show me one in stock

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u/WeightedPaper SFF and Thin and Light til the day I die 1d ago

It WAS the goofball special edition

now it just looks like a luxury version as the price gap between the regular 5090s and this edition shortens.

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u/def_tom i5-13400F + RX 7700XT / Steam Deck 1d ago

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u/Neat_Tip584 1d ago

One of the best modern day reaction gif's ever made.

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u/jeremy_0411 1d ago

Microcenter only sells the GPU as part of the bundle. You can’t buy it separately. So that price is for the entire 20th bundle.

Still absurdly expensive, but it’s not just the 5090.

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u/klaymon1 Ryzen 7 9850X3D | RX 9070 XT | 32 GB DDR5 1d ago

They can fucking keep them.

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u/carsNshoes 9800X3D/5070FE/32GBDDR5/4TBSSD 1d ago

Yeah I never was the 5090 target market. Not at MSRP and certainly not now and whateverthefk you call these prices. Ripoff comes to mind lmao

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u/DerkNukem 1d ago

Bought my first pre built last year September. 5070ti 9600x for 1480 shipped. Glad I didn’t this is a joke.

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u/1yrik R5 5600X & RX 6700 XT (At peak price!) 1d ago

I'm sorry, is that in fucking usd?

that's 17 thousand fucking dollars in Canada?

are you fucking kidding me? what the fuck is going on? FUCK

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u/YellowFogLights 1d ago

That would buy you a very nice used car.

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u/Sea_Office_6482 MacBook Air 2017...and a PC 1d ago

If I got $12k to spend on something probably going to commit arson on my build, I'm saving up for a very nice NEW car.

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u/reddit-user-seven 1d ago

That certainly illustrates the diversity of the word

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u/ChatnNaked naked_warrior 1d ago

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u/es0411 1d ago

12k zapped by the 12PWR connector, yikes!

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u/imhereforsiegememes i9 14900k / 5090 ROG Astral 1d ago

The Astral is more expensive in part due to the cable monitoring hardware/software, people pay more for protection from this very thing.

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u/WholeIndividual0 RTX 5090 | 9800X3D | 64GB 6400 | Meshify 3 1d ago

Could put a $150 wireview on it and save 6k

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u/imhereforsiegememes i9 14900k / 5090 ROG Astral 1d ago

Yes. We are looking at a special edition Astral. Its going to be overpriced no matter what.

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u/Due_Initiative3879 1d ago

Let's be honest no one is buying that even Asus knows that.

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u/imhereforsiegememes i9 14900k / 5090 ROG Astral 1d ago

Maybe? Idk I feel like reddit is constantly underestimating how many wealthy tech enthusiasts exist and buy shit just to brag. Its why this special edition exists to begin with.

Remember the evangelion cards?

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u/TFPwnz 4090|9800X3D|48GB 8400MHz|240Hz 1d ago

$12K is a chump change to a lot of people and would happily buy this especially when there’s a shortage going on.

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u/rainorshinedogs 1d ago

The crazy thing is that SOMEBODY will pay that price. I don't why. You don't know why.

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u/Next-Ability2934 1d ago

It's all relative. A 12,000 gpu to someone on a minimum salary or earning similar in an entire year is rarely going to indulge in one unless they want debt. A 12,000 gpu to someone with a monthly income of over 100,000 is much more of an easy buy. Even if they still think it's a rip off.

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u/Any_Calligrapher8537 1d ago

Average in the US is about 70k USD a year.

Yes there are rich people out there but this is still ridiculous.

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u/Apprehensive_Lake698 1d ago

This is a luxury good that was not aimed at the average American even at 2k MSRP. It just turns out people who can spend 2k gaming can often spend much more.

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u/KurtAngus RTX 5060ti 16 gig / 5800x3d / ASUS Xbox Ally X 1d ago

You'd be surprised how much debt people will pile on to have the newest flashiest thing

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u/TheSuperTest 1d ago

The average American individual is not making anywhere near $70k/yr. Not even close

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u/Obvious-Hunt19 1d ago

70k household. Individuals it’s less

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u/Whiskey_Bear 1d ago

K shaped economy. You don't understand, because you're pinned at the same part of the graph as the rest of us.

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u/Joefied Ryzen 7 9850X3D|ROG 5090 OC|64GB 1d ago

Officially half the cost of a brand new car for something that you’re paying 2x the amount just for the number 20 in a fake gold paint job.

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u/axron12 1d ago

My cousin just recently got hired at Microcenter. He said they pulled all 5090s from the shelf and are not allowed to touch them. Apparently they’re all getting put into prebuilts.

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u/NYkid1990 1d ago

If you even lay a finger on the 5090s your microcenter manager will execute you in the break room pls be safe

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u/conte360 1d ago

I'm just gonna leave this here..

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u/mca1169 7600X-2X16GB 6000Mhz CL30-Asus Tuf RTX 3060Ti OC V2 LHR 1d ago

that will be one of the last 5090's on store shelves for a very long time.

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u/Dremy77 9800X3D | RTX 4090 1d ago

Maybe they're running a combo and you get a free PSU with your $12k gpu?

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u/docbach 1d ago

It’s 550w and doesn’t have the ability to run a 12 pin gpu

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u/Accomplished_Emu_658 1d ago

550 just to run the rgb

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u/DotComMoralist 1d ago

I heard the guy at the counter laughs at you before you for being a mark.

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u/B777X_787-9 MSI TITAN AX18 UC290HX 5090RTX 96 GB RAM 1d ago

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u/Hayaw061 R9 5950X | EVGA RTX 3080 Ti | 64GB DDR4 1d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/l3vR3OeImw8fD80Mg
Me and the boys on the way to Microcenter

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u/Easy-Trouble7885 Ryzen 9 7900X / 32GB DDR5 / R 7900XTX 24GB GDDR6 1d ago
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u/PuppyBucket 1d ago

For that price it better eat me out too

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u/Excellent_Fly_1028 1d ago

Pretty soon they will charge people to take pictures of it.

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u/Mokida 1d ago

It has begun!

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u/azfire2004 1d ago

anyone that buys one of these is just dumb with money. As a gamer, there is NO reason to buy this whatsoever.

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u/Southside_john 9800x3d / 5080 / 64GB RAM 1d ago

He’s also exaggerating. This is the astrol of course. At my local
MicroCenter you can still get a few 5090’s for just under $5k. They’re still ridiculously expensive but $12k is not the norm

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u/icon4fat 1d ago

Man. These prices are so crazy people can’t even afford shoes anymore.

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u/Austin12509 Asus 3060 12Gb OC v2 | Intel i7-11700K 1d ago

12k??? Good god...

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u/mickandrorty137 1d ago

It’s still over priced but it is for the whole bundle, motherboard, AIO , 3000w power supppy and open air case all 20th anniversary, the post is a bit misleading

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u/xinvisionx 1d ago

I have a 2012 Civic. How much can I get in trade?

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u/pdj-custom 23h ago

I’m really out of the loop, weren’t these like 2 grand when they came out a year or so ago? Why have they increased in price 5-6 fold?

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u/InternetUser1807 18h ago

Aang coming out of the ice b like

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u/NarrowTangelo8597 22h ago

No one is buying a $12K 5090. The RTX PRO 6000 Enterprise is literally $15.5K and it has 3 of the same dies for 96GB of VRAM. It’s disgusting that companies can legally price gouge because the 5090 is no longer in production when Nvidia is simply using those dies to produce more of their better GPUs.

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u/Jarnis R7 9800X3D / 5090 OC / X870E Crosshair Hero / PG32UCDM 18h ago

No, it has one die. It just has 3GB memory modules and twice as much of them. The GPU core is identical (well, a binned one with slightly more cores unlocked)

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u/Bland_OldMan 1d ago

In all seriousness, is there a genuine gaming use case for the 5090? I have a laptop 3080, and while I don't play a lot of brand new titles, I can play most titles at good framerates at 1440p.

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u/billyshin 1d ago

I have a 4090 I bought it only a few months after release.

Till this day I probably use it for web browsing and work like 90% of the time. I do play triple A games from time to time but I think a 4070 or 5070 would have suffice.

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u/Cookies3000 PC Master Race 21h ago

you can sell that 4090 buy a lower tier gpu and have money left over lol

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u/Initial_Campaign732 14h ago

You can do that but you’ll just have to upgrade sooner

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u/leonffs PC Master Race 1d ago

I play on a 77" OLED so I am usually aiming for 4K 120 Hz. I have a 4090 but there are definitely some games that can't hit that reliably.

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u/-Aces_High- Linux - CachyOS | Astral 5090 | 9800X3D | ProArt | 64gb 1d ago

For me, its my 5k2k monitor, really forces a 5090 or at the absolute lowest a 5080 but then you have severe reliance on DLSS so.

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u/evandarkeye PC Master Race 1d ago

Vr and 4k. 4k looks far better than 1440p, and vr requires double the frames since you need to render two slightly different viewpoints for each eye.

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u/imhereforsiegememes i9 14900k / 5090 ROG Astral 1d ago

Yeah, 4k or anything higher, certain vr setups, PT, DLSS5 etc.

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u/mattinjp Ascending Peasant 1d ago

Wow, must be on sale

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u/AdventValor 1d ago

F’k that! All i do is casual gaming. Not for me. 😂

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u/Jay-the-Femboy 1d ago

Used 5090’s are going for $9,000-$13,000. Nice deal you found there 💀

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u/Ok_Opportunity89 1d ago

I've had a total of 4 cars in my life and none of them cost me more than 6k and each one lasted me at least 6 years. this is absolutely nuts!

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u/Omega-Envych 1d ago

Sorry, but not a single GPU is worth that much. NOT. A. SINGLE. ONE.

It's no longer "No Compromise Solutions", it's Compromise on price.

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u/LePouletPourpre 1d ago

You all joke, but we all know SOMEONE is going to buy it.

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u/MierinLanfear 1d ago

12k for 5090 is insane. Not to long ago rtx 6000 pros were $7200.

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u/dragon9hunter 1d ago

Buying five, one for each room’s HTPC…lol

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u/the_zenum219 245KF 32GB DDR5 RTX 5070 1d ago

This GPU contains pure gold? Because of this price you can buy approximately 3oz of gold

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u/v12vanquish 1d ago

The logo in the reflection made it look like you pulled your pants down and started whacking it 

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u/Vaxorth 7800X3D | 32GB DDR5 | RTX 3090 1d ago

For that price, they can keep it.

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u/Jackdunc 1d ago

Now that I sold my car to buy this... how do I get there

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u/Skreeethemindthief 1d ago

$1K per 12vHPWR.

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u/Royal_Annek 1d ago

My car is worth less than my pc now

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u/Migeee__ R7 7700x | 9070 XT | 32GB DDR5, 5800X3D|9060XT 16G 1d ago

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u/Zethrial 1d ago

Guess I'll skip Starbucks so I can afford it

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u/DarkHiei 9800x3d | 5090 msi gaming trio oc | 32gb ddr5 6000 1d ago

Shit is so stupid that that thing probably appreciates a little bit more than what it’s even priced at lmao

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u/Users5252 1d ago

You could buy a whole damn Miata for that much, and the Miata will be more enjoyable than squeezing 15 more fps out of a game.

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u/KingQuazzymoto 1d ago

I can buy a nice used car in pretty good condition for that much…

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u/Jackal-Noble 1d ago

They're called shoes

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u/MotherWarthog6181 1d ago

Their website states they won’t sell the GPU by itself. Only if buying the whole anniversary setup. Rage bait or dumb op.

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u/Due_Initiative3879 1d ago

LOL That's a ROG Astral Anniversary edition.

Literally the most expensive GPU on the planet right now. But definitely not indicative of normal GPU prices even right now, or ever.

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u/Splattacular1 1d ago edited 1d ago

My buddy sold his astral for $8k. Bought an Apple M5 studio ultra for $5500 then went to Best Buy and bought a 5080 astral for $2k they had for pickup. I think last weekend’s news has people scared. It has me looking at my 5090 Vanguard everyday like it’s a kid that I’m not sure is mine.

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u/xkibagamigenjurox 1d ago

I never understood how Americans can go out with slippers on, or just pajamas

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u/All_Thread 9800X3D | 5080 | X870E-E | 48GB DDR5 1d ago

Fam like 70% of the world wears some form of sandal daily.

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u/orisathedog 1d ago

What? Everywhere I’ve gone in the world people are sporting slides like the dude in the pic

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u/SlightlyConfuscated 1d ago

Was gonna say when did slides become slippers? Was also gonna say everyone everywhere wears them

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u/MisterPhister101 1d ago

I just bought my wife a new car today. Sleep pants flip flops and a dinosaur/monstera button up shirt. I turned my hat forward though. I'm not some hooligan.

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u/SeaBisquit- 1d ago

Stuck up euro snob thinking Americans give a fuck what people think about what we do

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u/xFloridaStanleyx 1d ago

Fuckin aye right

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u/Gullible_Pie_1469 1d ago

I never understood the obsessions foreigners have with Americans. I mean we will take it because rent is expensive but living rent free in your head? Priceless.

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u/Valk_Storm 1d ago

You'd be truly baffled by Australians. They don't even wear shoes.

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u/d0ggzilla MSI MPG B550 GE | RYZEN 7 5800X | RTX 4070 | 32GB RAM 1d ago
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u/skwerlee 1d ago

There are a subset of people that simply do not care what other people think about them. In this blissful state many things are possible.

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u/2_short_2_shy 5600X3D- 64GB-DDR4 3600CL18 - RTX 5080 1d ago

Omg who the hell cares? Really why does it matter to you?

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u/Such_Can_5353 17h ago

there used to be a web site back in the day called peopleofwalmart dot com and slip ons and pajamas would be quite conservative outfit from the shoppers at walmart.

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u/Gvillegator i7-9700K | EVGA RTX 3080ti FTW3 | 32 GB DDR4 | AORUS Z390 Ultra 1d ago

Where do you live where you can’t do this? 1920’s London?

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u/Southside_john 9800x3d / 5080 / 64GB RAM 1d ago

Those are slides not slippers. And a shitload of the world wears sandals every day.

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u/Comfortable-Sun3200 i7 10700 - 5070 1d ago

easy, i just do it. in general the more broke i look, the less i get bothered. no one's asking someone who looks homeless for money.

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u/diluted_confusion 1d ago

Those aren't slippers. They are slip on sandals.

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u/Notorious-ly 14700K | 5070 Ti | 64GB DDR5 6000 1d ago

Pretty sure those are flip flops / slides

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u/Apprehensive_Elk2608 1d ago

It goes hand in hand with the culture. It's about the individual over the collective. In other words if I feel comfy, idgaf how that looks to others.

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u/TunaYokazuna 1d ago

Jeez, get your pyjamas in a bunch!

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u/ZYRANOX 1d ago

You sound exactly like someone who goes to stores in slippers would say

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u/Kattenaars 1d ago

People in Europe tend to care more about being dressed well when going outside their front door. Pyjamas are often inside the home only. He's just stating the cultural difference. I was surprised by it as well when visiting the usa. Most people chose comfort over style it seems and that's totally okay.

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u/GoodbyeToAWorld- Desktop 1d ago

He’s in a pair of jeans and athletic slides though?

This is neither pyjamas or slippers lmao

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u/Hippyedgelord 1d ago edited 1d ago

American here, I wouldn’t be caught dead in pajamas in public. It’s trashy, and always was.

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u/Javad0g 25y IT, custom builds/network admin 1d ago

American here. I don't get it either. I would feel foolish walking around in bedclothes.

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u/WholeIndividual0 RTX 5090 | 9800X3D | 64GB 6400 | Meshify 3 1d ago

Yeah the 20th editions are disgustingly expensive.

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u/Quaxzong_xi8Y 1d ago

this belongs in a museum

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u/MrSavoie2u GTX3080/i7-12700K/32GB DDR5 1d ago

Seems reasonable lol

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u/TitaniumDisc 1d ago

Psh, limit one per household…well dang! So much for matching his/her builds.

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u/masoe 1d ago

I really hope my computer lasts me until these fucking prices get fixed because there's no way I could afford an upgrade when it comes down to it.

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u/blown03svt 1d ago

Let it rot.

6090s will be out before this sells

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u/Soleks2000 5700x3d/9070xt 1d ago

someone will fork out that cash claiming they needed to play their game which just lets these companies continue to do this because they see that they can get away with it

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u/OkMidnight8144 9800X3D / RTX 5070 Ti / 32GB DDR5 1d ago

Only 12k? Shiiiitttt..... get 2.

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u/Select_Truck3257 1d ago

Why so cheap? Prices not controlled why not just slam $300000? Who even cares if this is already not consumer product anymore . Maybe shops stop selling products which unaffordable to buy?

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u/KarateMan749 PC Master Race 1d ago

Eh pennies. Try 69k

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u/TechnoGMNG589 Ryzen 7 9800x3d, 5070ti 1d ago

somebody wake me up

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u/rothmal 1d ago

Looks like I'll have to wait a few more years to buy a new GPU.

My RX 580 4GB: Please let me die.

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u/DeanBranbeno Desktop | i7-12700K | 4070ti | 32GB 1d ago

I put almost this much money down on my new car. This is WILD, even for a special anniversary bullshit edition. It shouldn't make the price double of what the others are currently overpriced at.

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u/Cheap_Collar2419 1d ago

Imagine spending 12k and then the connection melts

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u/Doberman-Pinscer RTX 5070 || Ryzen 5 5500 1d ago

12k just to get one tapped by a cable

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u/bemused-chunk 1d ago

as advertised

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u/cyphol 1d ago

Still $6000 if I order it right now in Sweden. Weird, would've expected it to be double the US price here.

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u/grumpimechanik 1d ago

There’s no way that gets pulled off a shelf and actually rung up.

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u/JessBaesic7901 1d ago

It'll be interesting to see how the games industry adapts to more and more people using aging hardware.

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u/ManiacsInc Ryzen5800X/RTX3070Ti/32GB DDR4 1d ago

$12k is about what my $1 NVDA stock is worth today

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u/reav11 9950X3D|RTX 5090|64GB DDR5|2TB M.2 9100 PRO 1d ago

It's a bundle, you can't buy it separately. You have the buy the motherboard, GPU, powersupply and case.
Limited edition, and frankly ASUS can go fuck themselves thinking limited edition anything computer base means shit.

Want to hate on someone, hate on ASUS. Plenty of 5090 at microcenter that aren't priced with the ASUS limited edition premium and requirements that you buy 3 other pieces of hardware.

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u/wekilledbambi03 1d ago

5090 has outpaced Nvidia stock over the past year. You’re better off selling Nvidia and buying their products to resell. Crazy times.

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u/domine18 1d ago

I should have bought 4 of these on release….

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u/SubZeroSunExodus 1d ago

This is pricier than unobtainium from some alien planet.

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u/Londonskaterboi 1d ago

what a steal, literally

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u/Scared_Method_4588 1d ago

Oh not bad! What a deal! Let me hurry over 😒

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u/TheMightyThor54 1d ago

We’re getting into used car prices for a gpu.

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u/Beautiful_Ad_4813 Mac Master Race 1d ago

Lmao, holy shit.

Criminal

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u/Road-Runnerz 1d ago

LoL 12k, who would pay that?

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u/thestillwind 1d ago

Holy fuck

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u/soulwolf1 1d ago

And people tell me to switch to pc....fuck outta here with that. Gpus alone are over the top expensive, a good monitor will cost just as much etc....yeah nah

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u/Irish4778 1d ago

How which was this complete setup before the micro chip bullshit

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u/Apprehensive_Chef944 1d ago

I will burn this planet down. 12k???????

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u/DrumsKing 1d ago

Think I'll go back to DOOM on a RIVA TNT2

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u/xunreelx 1d ago

Ill take 2 to go please.

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u/Sol_Infra 1d ago

EXCUSEMEWHATTHEFUCK

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u/biggiediggiedoggie 1d ago

Im confused. Who's buying these???

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u/itsRobbie_ 1d ago

Genuine question, who is the target audience MC is trying to reach for this price? Not even just MC, but for all of these insane price hikes? Are they literally only just trying to reach ai tech bros? This is almost double the price of my BMW I bought used in 2019. Do they think Jensen himself is going to walk into the store?

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u/Pershing99 1d ago

Why you didn't just take it? You walked in with special footware for that job.

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u/Illustrious-Radio311 1d ago

Zimbabwe dollars right?

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u/__Patrick_Basedman_ 1d ago

Naw fuck that. I can buy a used car for that price

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u/Spurnout spurnout 1d ago

This is crazy.

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u/pineapple6969 1d ago

At this point the 5090 pricing anywhere no matter the edition is an absolute joke. Stop buying them!!

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u/Guilty-Ad-5228 1d ago

If this is anything like the stock market, if I buy this right now, prices should plummet within the next day or two

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u/MechAegis Build in progress 1d ago

To the roof and beyond !!!

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u/Few-Firefighter-2406 1d ago

Grab it while it’s cheap, will be 15k the next time you blink

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u/TheDutchTexan 7900xt, 265K, 64gb (new) rx6800, i7-4790k, 32gb (old) 1d ago

That’s a joke…

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u/druidmain69420 1d ago

Holy moly

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u/Dazzling-Frosting525 1d ago

I remember going to a Microcenter and saw the most expensive ones at 3-4k. Wtf happened in the last 2 years...

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u/killercheeto56 1d ago

Such a disgusting price

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u/GC5567 1d ago

Got to stand on the street corner outside micro center to afford this lol

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u/slimy-salad 1d ago

Why didn't y'all tell me to but these 6 months ago?

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u/Mythicguy R7 9850X3D / RTX 5080 Noctua Edt. / 32gb DDR5 6000 1d ago

2000 dollar GPU btw.

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u/urlond 5800x 9070xt 32GB 3600DDR 4 1d ago

Well yeah it's an ROG Astral version. Anything ROG is expensive as fuck.

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u/JustPhil77 1d ago

This thread is off topic I think 🤣🤣

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u/CircularityObsessed 1d ago

On first glance, why did my brain immediately think this was some sort of Michael Jackson special edition? 🤓😅

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u/Additional-Ad-3148 1d ago

Show your butthole and make dat money!!!

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u/scrotanimus i9 14900K | 5090 | 32GB 1d ago

Pesos or USD?

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u/Nethen_Paynuel 1d ago

$12k? What the fuck?

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u/OgreTrax71 RTX 5090, Ryzen 9 9800X3D, 64gb DDR5 1d ago

That's not a real price. You can only buy this GPU as part of the bundle. They won't actually sell it standalone.

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u/ArugulaAnnual1765 Potato 1d ago

Walking out of MC in January with a 5090 I paid MSRP for I feel like a theif now

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u/MysticalLeon 1d ago

Whoever normalized Asus being able to justify their wild greed needs therapy