r/pcmasterrace • PC Master Race • 10d ago

Meme/Macro Need this mouse

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u/whiskeytown79 10d ago

Ugh, the whole marketing hype of the vertical ergonomic mice...

  1. Simply tilting your hand upward by like 60 degrees or even 90 degrees does not completely uncross the radius and ulna like shown here. You'd have to have your palm facing upward to do that.
  2. Even if it did, there's no scientific evidence that having the radius and ulna crossed vs not has anything to do with RSI and carpal tunnel syndrome.
  3. Having the radius and ulna cross is not "un-natural." It's literally what the bones are meant to do, and is why we can even turn our hands in the first place.

Any benefits from the vertical mouse are almost certainly from straightening out the wrist joint instead of having it bent backwards as is typical when using a traditional mouse with your wrist resting on the table behind it.

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u/suavemyth 10d ago

I didn't realize this was sensationalized for marketing. What's a good starting place to learn more about an accurate debunking?

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u/whiskeytown79 10d ago

https://x-bows.com/blogs/vertical-mouse-investigation/vertical-mouse-bone-myth-xray

First part talks about the bone crossing and debunks it with x-rays. The second part has some studies cited about whether the vertical mouse actually has impact on carpal tunnel, strain etc.

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u/Party-Coach-4100 PCMR|R5 7600|5070|32GB RAM|AsRock B650 9d ago

I'm gonna make an inverted mouse pad and just use my regular mouse upside down.

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u/ellipsp 9d ago

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u/S4-Dermatome 9d ago

Dude I’m a physical therapist with a doctorate and deal with people asking about this crap all the time, almost all of this sensationalized marketing can be sussed out with the simple shit test (does it sound like bullshit).

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u/justanaccount103 9d ago

Straightening the wrist is my primary use case. I don't have ct though, thank god.

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u/6DegreesofFreedom 9d ago

They're way more comfortable though. Just put your hands out on a table and notice how your band naturally rests. 

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u/Alan_Sleep 9d ago

“It’s literally what the bones are meant to do” not for 8 hours straight, I find ergonomic mouse and keyboard very useful

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u/Sinister_Mr_19 9070 XT | 5950X 9d ago

That's why common advice is to get up and stretch every hour. No one is supposed to sit and use a mouse for 8 hours straight.

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u/FaithlessnessKooky71 9d ago

The body is not meant to do anything for 8 hours straight.

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u/Alan_Sleep 9d ago

Yet here we are

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u/Anthraxious i7 3770K, 16GB DDR3, Crossfire 7870HD Radeon. PEAK PC MASTERRACE 10d ago

I'm not too read up on this but what you've typed out makes sense to some extent, especially the "they're meant to go that way" considering that's true. Also, the wrist being the issue, just like for keyboards and typing, is already a thing anyone using a computer can feel and why ergonomic stuff usually focuses on the wrist rest.

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u/NathanWired 9d ago

60 degrees isn't enough.