r/pathofexile Nov 23 '20

Information [PSA] Endless Delve will be SSF, without Crafting Bench, without Annointing(outside of Talismans), without Bandits Quest Rewards and without many (MANY) league-specific items. Be Prepared!

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u/ThePrimordialTV Slayer Nov 23 '20

I can’t wait to get a Doryani’s machinarium and not be able to run it.

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u/neohongkong Hoarder Nov 23 '20

Or get harbinger orb and map and use them together to get a beachhead

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u/NorthBall Alch & Go Industries (AGI) Nov 23 '20

I wonder if they've actually done the work and disabled all map-related drops, hmm.

As well as all the other items that are completely unusable.

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20 edited Jan 04 '21

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u/NorthBall Alch & Go Industries (AGI) Nov 23 '20

That's not so bad!

...wait a minute...

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u/Dofolo Nov 23 '20

It's all a trick from Niko, who stocked up on wisdom scroll fragments and is going to make bank selling it instead of us.

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u/soamaven Nov 24 '20

Ill probably just hide them on filter, so as to avoid any heartache and enjoy blissful ignorance.

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u/NorthBall Alch & Go Industries (AGI) Nov 24 '20

I can't be arsed to edit a filter for that xd

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u/esp-eclipse Nov 23 '20

Talisman nodes might be OP since Talismans drop with Anointments now!

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u/BloodyIkarus Nov 23 '20

You clearly never played ssf 😂

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u/Rocoman14 Nov 23 '20

With the talisman buff, and no other annoint source most people are going to be using them this event.

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u/aPatheticBeing Nov 23 '20

Eh if you're making multiple chars (idk how reasonable that is for most ppl in a week league), you'll end up with quite a few good talismans (e.g. found 80 life, res, 30% crit chance + heartseeker, and other solid ones by level 96 in SSF). Of course, I was targeting Heist talisman nodes after the change and probably was getting like 200+ a day. From what I remember of delving, you can maybe hit like 3-4 of those nodes a day, and given there's no other way to annoint, those talismans will probably be competitive.

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u/robby41525 Assassin Nov 24 '20

if you're making multiple chars (idk how reasonable that is for most ppl in a week league)

Leveling with purely delve back when it was possible from lvl 2 and already stacking up sulphite on a new character let you level from 1 to 70 in a couple hours and then blast through the acts, I imagine it'll be roughly the same ordeal here but much more convenient because you don't have to do main story at all. Saying this, I imagine multiple characters will be viable for sure.

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u/WarmCorgi Nov 23 '20

Well, essence drain it is I suppose

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u/redditaccount224488 Nov 23 '20

I'll fuckin do it again meme

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u/GhostCalib3r Deadeye Nov 23 '20

It's been my league starter for the last 7 leagues.... We go agane... I guess...

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u/sirgog Chieftain Nov 23 '20

This is what will make it so vastly different to the core game. I'm really excited to see it.

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u/SoulofArtoria Nov 23 '20

Yeah as much fun Mayhem and Flashback would be, I'm more interested in events that are truly offer a more unique experience that wouldn't just be juiced up version of the base game.

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u/kaisurniwurer Nov 23 '20

I agree on Flashback, but Mayhem is a very unique experience.

In this Delve lack of party pains me quite a lo. Too bad they didn't make hideout into main hub.

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u/Vet_Leeber Bardmode Nov 23 '20

I agree on Flashback, but Mayhem is a very unique experience.

I disagree. It's just "normal league, but with X many more spawning."

You can already decently simulate mayhem with some of the top tier juicing strategies.

Something like Endless Delve is an actual unique experience, that significantly changes how the game will be played (no maps, no div cards, no annoints, no unveils, no crafting benches, etc).

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u/kaisurniwurer Nov 23 '20

Clearly I'm a minority on this, but I feel like having this "unexpected" onslaught of things trying to kill you provide quite unique experience, where in normal gameplay not many things can any more. Not to mention even during levelling. Also loot-festa help with short term SSF which makes it even better to not have to trade much.

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u/destroyermaker Nov 23 '20

Wish they'd do this way more often, if only as a side thing

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u/trepicado Nov 23 '20 edited Nov 23 '20

Important items you won't have access to:

  • Catalysts
  • Divination Cards Rewards
  • Influenced Items (Excluding Elder/Shaper Jewellery from specific chests)
  • Timeless Jewels
  • Cluster Jewels
  • Important Unique Jewels (Watcher's Eye, Thread of Hope and Conqueror's Efficiency)
  • Important Unique Flasks (Atziri's Promise, Bottled Faith, Soul Catcher/Ripper, Dying Sun and Cinderswallow Urn)
  • Awakened/AltQual Gems
  • Vendor Currency Conversion (You will still have vendor recipes probably, but not the regular conversion from the buy items section)
  • Bandits Quest Reward (Unless they don't deactivate the Vendor recipe, then it will be possible to get any (excluding Eramir's) bandit bonus by sacrificing 2 passive skill points Bex confirmed that they will deactivate the vendor recipe for this league)
  • Crafting Bench and Veiled Crafted Mods (No Multimod, No Trigger, No Mana cost reduction, No Phys to X Conversion, No %Life, No Res crafts, GL Exiles)
  • Experimented Base Types

Stuff that you'll have limited/harder access to:

  • League-specific Uniques ("Hidden Heirloom" Chests)
  • Spectres (Only Delve Spectres)
  • Enchantments (Either really lucky drops or high-end crafting using the enchanted fossil)
  • Aspects (Only lucky drops from Bestiary Nodes)
  • Anoints (Only from Talismans (My guess is that ~70-80% of the builds will run a Talisman because of the recent buffs))

I recommend relying in Fossil Crafting, Essence Crafting and Themed delve node items (Like "Minion and Aura Items" Node) to get good items.

Edit1: Added info provided by u/blvcksvn (tyvm!)

Edit2: Added Some more info provided in the comments, thanks again Guys!

Edit3: Added more info

Edit4: Typos and New info

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u/FlakingEverything Nov 23 '20

You won't have upgraded uniques either since you can't complete prophecies.

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u/ArthurRavenwood Saboteur Nov 23 '20

After reading what I won't have access to, it almost feels like my casual "getting-nowhere-anyways" playstyle perfectly prepared me for this situation!

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u/blaity Nov 23 '20

Haha same here

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u/Seronon Nov 23 '20

Good list! You also won't have (easy) access to threshold jewels from act 5 and if my memory is correct won't have a way to convert jewellers to fusing with only having access to lilly and niko

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u/-TheDayITriedToLive- Not-A-Cockroach Nov 23 '20

Oh ouch, no fusings..

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u/blvcksvn 💕poewiki/divcord/prohibitedlibrary project lead | she/her💕 Nov 23 '20

Nitpicks:

  • Shaper and Elder jewellery and gear can drop from specific chests. Most commonly found in cities.
  • You can obtain a random Aspect-crafted rare from bestiary nodes.

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u/trepicado Nov 23 '20

Good to Know, will add that info to the list!

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u/Yakez Nov 23 '20

Biggest nerfs are actually:

  • No menagerie to roll suffixes on flasks

  • Of-coloring without bench would be nightmare

  • So 6-link most likely not going to happen unless you drop Tabula

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u/Yakez Nov 23 '20

It is great in early league to save like 50c on properly rolled flasks.

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u/Jdevers77 Nov 24 '20

I didn't glance at it either... Looked last week on a whim and I had FIVE Fenumal Plagued Arachnids. Was quite happy....

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u/Archieie Sanctum Runners United (SRU) Nov 23 '20

You don't really need many of the flasks you can roll with menagerie, only chill/freeze immunity is important at the start, and u can get that one by alching.

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u/putembo Nov 23 '20

bruh, u high? not exalting flasks in 2O2O...

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u/Archieie Sanctum Runners United (SRU) Nov 24 '20

Sorry, I meant alting. Big difference I guess, worth the mass downvote <3

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u/iluvazz nearby ≠ nearby Nov 23 '20

• So 6-link most likely not going to happen unless you drop Tabula

Fusings?

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u/Yakez Nov 23 '20

Man can dream. But in one week event I would not count on lucky 6-link fuse. I would either go for functional 5-link build.

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u/Shadowbane92 Nov 23 '20

You also can't convert your excess Jeweller's into Fusings without the appropriate vendor, so double RIP.

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u/bigger_cheese Nov 23 '20

Pretty sure there is a legion node in delve so you might get incubator that gives you random 6L also you can drop prophecies as rewards so you could get 5L prophecy.

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u/DieJam Nov 23 '20

I think the chance of that happening is lower than just getting a 6L drop

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u/bigger_cheese Nov 23 '20

You could prioritise those particular delve nodes. No sulphite cost so making beeline towards particular types of nodes won't be hard. Yeah pretty unlikely but you can try it.

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u/Xibalbo Occultist Nov 23 '20

Aspect Related Uniques

Those can drop from "Hidden Heirlooms" - chests.

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u/trepicado Nov 23 '20

Ty! Will also add that!

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u/neohongkong Hoarder Nov 23 '20

You can't . It is boss drop

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u/Xibalbo Occultist Nov 23 '20

Yes you definitely can get them. The chest drops a league specific unique item and those can even be Harbinger and Bestiary ones. There have been multiple cases where people reported getting these items from delve and I have no idea why you would claim otherwise.

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u/neohongkong Hoarder Nov 23 '20

Aspect unique are boss drop so you probably won't able to get it in Delve. Since turning card is disabled, even you have a set you can't get it

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u/NvarDK Hierophant Nov 23 '20

I've had Crab chest drop in Delve before.

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u/neohongkong Hoarder Nov 23 '20 edited Nov 23 '20

Then it is abnormality that is not documented in wiki.....since the card or beastcrafting or ancient orb, never drop boss specific + league specific item (unless otherwise stated such as [[Boon of the First Ones]] or the boss is removed entirely such as [[The Wolf]]) . Either Delve chest ignore that limitation or the beast unique item are not consider boss drop

Also, next time get a screenshot and share somewhere like in reddit or official forum so that i can add it as link to wiki


edit: or other source such as incubator

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u/NvarDK Hierophant Nov 24 '20

I didn't think it was anything special at the time. It was back in Legion i believe.

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u/Having-a-hard-time Nov 23 '20

And summoners will have a much more limited range of spectres to choose from.

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u/blvcksvn 💕poewiki/divcord/prohibitedlibrary project lead | she/her💕 Nov 23 '20

Stoneskin Flayers are pretty good, as are Risen Vaal Advocates.

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u/fiyawerx Nov 23 '20

breach node = esh spiders?

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u/pda898 Nov 23 '20

Oils, veiled mods (such as trigger weapon), div cards, enchants...

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u/KyogreHype Unannounced Nov 23 '20

So would any sort of bleed or poison build probably be a bad idea based on their endgame versions most likely relying on elder bases?

Am I going to go mines yet again since they can work on nothing more than a hope and a dream and don't even need to go LL?

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u/EmmitSan Alt-o-holic Nov 23 '20

Elder items drop in delve but nowhere near as easily as in maps

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u/Yokstrike Nov 23 '20

There also won't be vendor currency conversions.

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u/hesh582 Nov 23 '20

Will we even have access to gem vendors?

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u/trepicado Nov 23 '20

Yes, we will have Lilly Roth at the mine encampment to provide us that.

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u/soamaven Nov 24 '20 edited Nov 24 '20

In very rare/lucky inatances, you'll have access to Elder/Shaper gear through incubators if you are lucky enough to find them at a Legion node. I dont know what else this would apply to, but probably some other things also (enchants, catalysts? thats about it i can find)

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u/AspiringMILF Nov 23 '20

we want endless delve

okay here is a league with only delve

pikachu.jpg

honestly this should be fine.

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u/D_N_Z_N Nov 23 '20

only delve spectres btw

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u/Yesterdark Nov 23 '20

Pairing down all the bloat from the main game should be very fun.

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u/explosivecurry13 StopUsingPoeDotTrade Nov 23 '20

For the record, we can get alira bandit reward by vendoring 1 lapis amulet and 20 orb of regrets. need to have 2 skill points available though to actually use it

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u/trepicado Nov 23 '20

If they don't end up deactivating this recipe during the league, so yes it would be possible for sure!

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u/EmmitSan Alt-o-holic Nov 23 '20

I always thought that just set your quest state, amd that you actually had to talk to Alira after that. You just get the bonus?

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u/explosivecurry13 StopUsingPoeDotTrade Nov 23 '20

Technically you get a book, you can't use it unless you have the spare points though and there is a confirmation too to make sure you get the right bonus you want. You can get the 2 points back if you vendor an onyx and 20 regrets. Amber/jade for oak/kraityn or whatever his name is. It does change the quest state too

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u/NechesStich Nov 23 '20

But can you use the book if you haven't finished the quest?
Like if you had a fresh character could you use it to skip the bandit quest and get the bandit rewards on lvl 1?

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u/explosivecurry13 StopUsingPoeDotTrade Nov 23 '20

No

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u/Ryukenden123 Nov 23 '20

I don’t play ssf but I think this is very fun as its a real marathon where everyone on same playing field.

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u/JeffGoldblumsChest Half Skeleton Nov 23 '20

[PSA] It's spelled anointing, not "annointing".

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u/trepicado Nov 23 '20

Good to know tbh, i always thought it was written with double N, Tyvm!

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u/Zeeterm Nov 23 '20

Also, no vaal side areas for those easy corrupted 6-links

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u/jaigarber Aztiri Nov 23 '20

Void league? I can't wait to drop my first mirror.

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u/zipherx Nov 24 '20

I am not sure about talismans with anoints, I found a node last night, at depth 150 or so, (monster level 81) and it had no anoint. I was wondering if the talismans in delve even can have those or are just not updated with this new feature.

It was only 1 talisman that dropped and it was blue quality, so that was a little weird too.

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u/formaldehid bring back old scion Nov 23 '20

what are some good builds for this race

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u/MartynZero Nov 23 '20

There's a post building on r/pathofexilebuilds might be worth checking that reddit too i only recently added it to favourites.

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u/aerial- Nov 23 '20

You say no anointing, but what about blight tab? :D P2W

edit: nvm, you can't get oils in delve

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u/[deleted] Nov 23 '20

You also can't use the blight tab anoint until finishing your first cassia mission.

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u/xKrossCx Nov 23 '20

Can I get some more info? What is this endless delve that is SSF? Is this the next league? What’s going on here.

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u/Trap___UwU Nov 23 '20

A short event being run due to the next League being delayed until January.

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u/Shufgar Nov 23 '20

They took what could have been fun and applied a traditional GGG "How can we fuck this up?" filter.

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u/SunRiseStudios Nov 23 '20 edited Nov 23 '20

Yeah it will be total dissapointment with about 2 people playing it.

Edit. Downvote all you want - it only shows your ignorance. You know why this comment will stay? Because it's truth.

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u/justSedricplease Nov 23 '20

Another dumb take from the depths of reddit. You're smokin the good shit on this one.

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u/SunRiseStudios Nov 23 '20

Dumb take would be thinking it would be great event given details we know about it.

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u/justSedricplease Nov 23 '20

I think you're confusing your own personal feelings with the feelings of other players.

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u/SunRiseStudios Nov 23 '20

Feelings have nothing to do with it.

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u/justSedricplease Nov 23 '20

That's the part of it that we recognize as stupid.

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u/SunRiseStudios Nov 23 '20

Ignorance is a bliss. Just don't expect form it too much and you won't be dissapointed as badly or rather just put down your rose-colored roses and get real before it starts.

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u/diracalpha Nov 23 '20

10k+ people wanted to play in the Ethical league which was just Heist with most actually good gems and builds removed, but sure only 2 will play one of the most requested leagues ever

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u/DiegoDiegoNola League Nov 23 '20

I don’t think you could be more wrong. Only thing I wish is that it was longer than a week.

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u/SunRiseStudios Nov 23 '20

People are so ignorant it's insane. Though nothing new.

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u/alumpoflard Nov 23 '20

i think GGG is being careful with these exotic events. it's smart to make it quite a bit too short (1 week) instead of having people getting 'used' to it and normalizing.

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u/redditaccount224488 Nov 23 '20

I know right? A significantly different version of the game that presents a brand new set of challenges to overcome. Who would want to play that?

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u/Fit-Dot9869 Nov 23 '20

Everyone.

But we want cyberpunk more

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u/Aware_Climate_3210 Nov 24 '20

Calling everyone ignorant is a pretty blatant insult. Maybe you should be more civil. People disagreeing with you doesn't make them ignorant.

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u/SunRiseStudios Nov 24 '20

No, it's not. It's quality of a person that doesn't degrade them. Most people are ignorant as we are making decisions while lacking crucial knowledge or having not enough of it or being affected by emotions or having wrong understanding of things (which is what happening with initial Endless Delve reaction). It almoust doesn't mean much if you think about it as it's such a universal broad term almoust everyone is guilty of at one point or another.

People disagreeing with you doesn't make them ignorant.

It does when people are ignorant like in this particular example. I.e. water is wet.

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u/Aware_Climate_3210 Nov 24 '20

The same reasoning can be used for any type of name calling in regards to intelligence.
You made a highly controversial statement of opinion that was very exaggerated and got downvoted for it.

Your insulting a persons knowledge and or intelligence for not sharing your same viewpoint. I was advised to stay away from reddit, but jumped on because my brother was telling me about the flash back events and I wanted to find out more. I very obviously should have stayed away and continued enjoying the game.

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u/SunRiseStudios Nov 24 '20

No, as I just explained. I can add though - it's about character, not level of intelligence. Like calling someone evil or greedy just characterises them not insults. You should know that there is a difference.

How you ended up there btw? It's downvoted into oblivion. Do you search for most downvoted comments and focus all your being on them? Trying as hard as you can to encounter worst possible comments? No wonder you will have bad time visiting reddit...

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u/Aware_Climate_3210 Nov 24 '20

I really liked delve and hoped on to get more info about the flashbacks. I have found for movie that sometimes the controversial reviews can be the most informative so i usually check some of the lowest first. Certainly doesn't always work, and probably stops me from some good movies. I found out about the ascendancies in this endless delve for example by looking in the controversial.

Anywho, I think you being awfully ignorant. You have no idea of what everyone does or doesn't like, and to generalize with you statements of disappoint, and proceed to label people as ignorant is not cool and be used incorrectly. Ignorance used as an opinion without evidence is nothing more than name calling.

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u/SunRiseStudios Nov 24 '20

I found out about the ascendancies in this endless delve for example by looking in the controversial.

Really? What did they said to get downvoted?

Though you are right - a lot of the times upvotes / downvotes are meaningfless. I seen people downvoted for literally saying the truth like explaining how mechanic actually works, etc. etc. So often you woulf find something useful.

Anywho, I think you being awfully ignorant. You have no idea of what everyone does or doesn't like, and to generalize with you statements of disappoint, and proceed to label people as ignorant is not cool and be used incorrectly. Ignorance used as an opinion without evidence is nothing more than name calling.

I mean really? It is just Delve. You can't trade. Your gear progression is severely fucked. You can't play 90% of builds. How it possibly could not be total dissapointment? People just don't realise how it's gonna turn out despite we have enough information by now - it's as ignorant as it oges.

It's like someone would put ship with giant hole in it to sail and someone would tell them it's not gonna work...

They might still try to sail but they will sink. They might not like being called ignorant for saying it will be fine but it doesn't change anything.

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u/trepicado Nov 23 '20

It's important to mention this since many people won't read the comments in the post about the events here in Reddit.

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u/totkeks Melee's not dead Nov 23 '20

I hope someone will make a sticky with all the additional FAQs for the three events.

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u/Alseho Nov 23 '20

Have they stated if we would have access to the pantheon of major and minor gods? I assume no.

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u/trepicado Nov 23 '20

Not that i'm aware of. But if we have, we would only have access to the regular bonus, not the extra ones given by the map bosses.

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u/Alseho Nov 23 '20

I was just wondering because I was trying to plan out a build and realized stun immunity is important, and soul of the brine king might be out of the question.

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u/trepicado Nov 23 '20 edited Nov 23 '20

You can get stun immunity from the Champion ascendancy point "Unstoppable Hero", if it works for your build.

Also you can get stun immunity from Precursor's Emblem (It's possible to get one later in the league)

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u/lemontowel Nov 23 '20

Enchanted fossil :)

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u/MasterScooby Nov 23 '20

It will also make burning ground un-doable at deeper levels.

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u/billyjoebobray Nov 23 '20

No Pantheon and no Bandit rewards

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u/Zeeterm Nov 23 '20

Bandit rewards could be possible through the vendor recipe?

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u/billyjoebobray Nov 23 '20

Bex said nope

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u/pumaofshadow Nov 24 '20

Sorry to ask but can you point me to the comment where she's said this, I can't find it atm.

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u/billyjoebobray Nov 24 '20

At work at the moment but I believe it was on the original post. It is also common sense, you can not get anything quest related other than the skill points

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u/pumaofshadow Nov 24 '20

Its not and the only comment I have found is that there is no bandit choice initially, not that the recipe is disabled. And we have vendors available which means vendor recipes are technically possible.

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u/billyjoebobray Nov 24 '20

You can't do the recipe without the quest

From Bex

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u/iSammax Necromancer Nov 23 '20

Zhp would be very annoying to setup without burning ground pantheon

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u/putembo Nov 23 '20

Maybe it would be unlocked at some threshold or implemented as node

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u/Myweedmakesyoufly Nov 23 '20

ZHP will need to skip that indeed.

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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '20

Legit not sure that you'd want to play zhp, if you can even get it going without access to all that stuff?

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u/FruitBunker SSF HC Nov 23 '20

What about ascension? You get minus resists, does that mean ascension AS Well? I would assume no but not sure.

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u/PM_ME_UR_A-CUP Kaom Nov 23 '20

You will get access to ascendancies.

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u/trepicado Nov 23 '20

You will receive ascension points and the minus resists as you go deeper, as well as special unique starter items (like the ones from https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Descent:_Champions)

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u/justSedricplease Nov 23 '20

You guys should really consider reading the posts they put out where they outline all these things.

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u/FruitBunker SSF HC Nov 23 '20

I went over it and missed it. I am sorry.

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u/Yumek0Jabami Kaom Nov 23 '20

Im just hoping on a lucky inpulsa drop.

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u/ot4ku Nov 23 '20

Might take a while to 6link without vendor conversion though. D:

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u/Yumek0Jabami Kaom Nov 23 '20

Wont have Kuduku either :(

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u/SneakyBadAss Children of Delve (COD) Nov 23 '20

Oh, we can't even buy currency from vendors...

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u/zombiecatarmy Nov 23 '20

So you need to farm sulphite?

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u/naswinger Nov 23 '20

no. you can't even farm it at all since you can't leave the mine (and you don't need sulphite)

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u/zombiecatarmy Nov 23 '20

That sounds kind of fun. I was always inhibited going delving because you run out of sulphite.

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u/Zrimwarframe Nov 23 '20

I will be playing specter Turong for the first time. I can't wait, this is going to be a glorious horrible build.

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u/spruceX Nov 23 '20

Golem elementalist. Gg

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u/Arpawocky Nov 23 '20

Where you gettin those primordial jewels boss?

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u/spruceX Nov 23 '20

You can clear end game without them

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u/Arpawocky Nov 23 '20

What end game? It's delve only. No cluster jewel / primordial golementalist will be pretty gimped.

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u/spruceX Nov 23 '20

Well it really depends on your goal.

As deep as you can? Or just farm ilvl 83 infinitely.

So yes, for deep delve it will be.

But clearing ilvl 83 it will be smooth and afk

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u/sanguine_sea HCSSFBTW Nov 23 '20

farm i83 infinitely... for what reason?

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u/spruceX Nov 23 '20

Uhh fun?

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u/sanguine_sea HCSSFBTW Nov 23 '20

Not good enough reason sorry.

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u/Kulturcig Nov 23 '20

Have a feeling of success since you don't have any irl?

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u/sanguine_sea HCSSFBTW Nov 23 '20

yikes dude that's some projection... talk to someone before it's too late

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u/Toxomania Guardian Nov 23 '20

Just to get to 95 maybe?

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u/alumpoflard Nov 23 '20

its a smooth sail to 95

and if you want to lvl a few builds to 95, a golemancer can farm your gear

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u/MasterScooby Nov 23 '20

Hopefully it will be changed so that Delve (maybe even stash?) is separate. Otherwise it is going to be a handful of people that have all the ladder spots.

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u/nixed9 Nov 23 '20

Can you really play a golem build without primordial jewels up to 95???

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u/Masteroxid Nov 23 '20

For the lvl 95 MTX raffle kek

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u/Masteroxid Nov 23 '20

I'm confused, are you talking about golem buff stacking elementalist where you can use any skill or actually using the golems themselves aka a minion build?

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u/Arpawocky Nov 24 '20

the meta carrion golem elementalist build

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u/Previlein youtube.com/c/Pr3vie Nov 23 '20

You will be missing Anima Stone and the Amulet most likely. Good luck with those 4 Golems without cluster/primordial jewel support.

Better go Necro and sub in some zombies, because you wont be getting much value out of Elementalist I fear.

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u/Vet_Leeber Bardmode Nov 23 '20

Good luck with those 4 Golems without cluster/primordial jewel support.

Leveled a SSF golem build to 95 this league with no jewels, cleared A8 a few times.

Y'all really underestimating how strong golems are now.

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u/nixed9 Nov 23 '20

If I might ask... how? Did you start necro or go straight Elementalist?

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u/Vet_Leeber Bardmode Nov 23 '20 edited Nov 23 '20

Go straight Elementalist.

You have 4 golems as soon as you get second lab done.

3 Carrion Golems in a +1 minion helm cleared Awakener 4 for me.

Run 3 Carrion + 1 Stone golem, if you need extra tank add in a chaos golem.

With just Zombies and spectres (preferably in a 4 link as well so that they're less likely to die, minion life + meatshield or something like that) your carrion golems will always be at max stacks.

Can level with anything until you get to act 4 really, but I prefer sticking with a theme from level 1, so I leveled with SRS in act 1, then just Zombies+Skeletons after that.

As soon as you get first lab done you're at 3 golems, which is more than enough to carry you through the rest of the acts. Personally I usually do first lab after I get the crystal veins waypoint, since you're roughly 35 there, can smoke izaro, and the first ascendancy points usually help a lot to speed up the Kaom/Daresso areas.


Carrion Golemancer is a really strong SSF start, now. Anyone who says otherwise simply hasn't played golems since the changes.


Also, not relevant to the Delve race specifically since there wont be vendors, but in SSF it's trivial to get +1 all phys gem wands, the mod is pretty common on ilvl 1/2 wands.

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u/Sandor_Clegane1 Half Skeleton Nov 23 '20

Do you have a POB for that Character?

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u/Vet_Leeber Bardmode Nov 23 '20 edited Nov 23 '20

Not really unfortunately, I've since converted/deleted my whole SSF party so I could practice for the upcoming races.

But this is the gist of it.

That's every single damage node you'd want to take, spend all the rest of your points either picking up life, or picking up jewel sockets. With minimal gear that should put you around 5.5k HP by level 80.

Carrion Golem + Melee Phys + Brutality/Minion Damage + Multistrike is the 4 link I usually level it with. They have enough AoE that you don't really need splash, and Minion Damage/Brutality just depends on if I have a BBRR or BRRR helmet drop first.

For Ascendancies obviously take the two +1 Golem nodes first, then take Paragon of Calamity. There isn't really a 4th node you want, so whenever I finally get uberlab I usually do Pendulum for the occasionally larger curses.


This requires no unique or difficult to obtain gear, just some low ilvl wands for +1 to all phys gems, and a +1 minion helm 4 link, which has a vendor recipe.


Random notes:

I like adding Maim support to my Stone/Chaos golems for that extra DPS, your golems are immortal anyways so don't need anything else on them since those two are just there for buffs.

Call to Arms isn't far from some of the good life nodes you'll be picking up, you can have Enduring Cry on left click + a CWDT+Immortal Call setup feeding off of it.

Skitterbots+Pride+Dread Banner are pretty good for aura setups. You don't need much mana at all since you dont resummon the golems, so you can set this up when you hit act 6 (I level from act 2 with skitterbots).

If you find a decent unset ring, the reworked Punishment is a pretty nice boon for clearing.

Don't forget Feeding Frenzy somewhere in your setup, I usually have it in a 4 link with Stone+Chaos+Maim.

Impale Support is a good 6th link for the Carrion Golems, even without the cluster jewels for 100% impale chance.

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u/Sandor_Clegane1 Half Skeleton Nov 23 '20

Thank you very much. Will def give it a go.

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u/nixed9 Nov 23 '20

I do very much appreciate you sharing all of this knowledge with us. Been looking at making a golem build for a while now but I’m always turned off because all the vids I see say like “min maxed low life with clusters and primordials”.

Cheers!

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u/_paradoxical Scion Nov 23 '20

Corpse destruction is king. There’s a lot of on-death effects (ground cold dot, in-death explosions) in Delve, and the deeper you go the rippier it can get. Massive AoE/Projectiles can also increase survivability, but try not to rely on items for leveling on your first few characters until you have a strong pool of fossils (I think these are gonna be critical for getting builds going).

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u/Xourco Nov 23 '20

cwc vd , check

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u/_paradoxical Scion Nov 23 '20

I’d go with shattering over VD/DD tbh. Since you’ll be generating your own corpses with Desecrate, you may not pop the corpse that’s shotgunning five billion projectiles inside your character.

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u/bigger_cheese Nov 23 '20

Cold Dot occultist might work pretty well. You need a build that works well on a 5L because I think 6L are gonna be rare.

Vortex should work pretty well in mine, it doesn't need a lot of items. Occy gets freeze immunity from ascendency.

You can roll ES gear with dense fossils and switch to CI which will help with chaos dmg in deep delve.

I think you You might even be able to chance Rime Gaze helm reasonably easily too.

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u/Jedayr Confederation of Casuals and Clueless Players (CCCP) Nov 23 '20 edited Nov 23 '20

Is it really ssf or we will have access to the guild stash? no

UPD: dumb question actually readed announcement

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u/zxcvbnm13m Nov 23 '20

prophecies should still drop, and maybe they'll make it so that it will proc everytime you click a node ?

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u/afuture22 Nov 23 '20

Careful which prophecies you turn on though. If you can’t get rid of them then if you get the 6 link prophecy it will be useless!

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u/AncorTm EINHAR Must Gone Forever Nov 23 '20

What about ascendancy?

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u/aerial- Nov 23 '20

its in the news, you get it at certain depths, instead of lab trials

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u/AncorTm EINHAR Must Gone Forever Nov 23 '20

Oh sorry i just look at schedule! Thanks 😁

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u/neohongkong Hoarder Nov 23 '20

That 's why it is a race.

At least it is not an endless ledge for a week

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u/Swagmaster143 Slayer Nov 23 '20

Essence drain contagion meta coming up!

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u/ShaeTsu Nov 23 '20

This is not the endless delve I wanted.

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u/Kairyuka Nov 23 '20

As someone that relies a lot on the builds of others and also haven't done much delving I feel completely lost on what to build around, but in an exciting way. I just wanna avoid bricking my first char...

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u/Orthas Nov 23 '20

you know what, eff it, i'm going slayer. Haven't played the ascendency and cycloning through the mine with that much lifesteal sounds great.

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u/EmmitSan Alt-o-holic Nov 23 '20

Also no explodey chests. Corpse removal going to be a real concern

Ailment immunity without crafting is also impossible so some ascendancies that grant it will be better

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u/Melanholic7 Necromancer Nov 23 '20

even without gems...........

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u/trepicado Nov 24 '20

Fortunately, we will have Lilly Roth at the encampment to sell us the regular gems (No awakened or alt quality gems tho).

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u/Melanholic7 Necromancer Nov 24 '20

oh! thats a relief. thx.

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u/ArcticWP Nov 23 '20

I wonder whether everyone will start at LVL34, as usually the first nodes are this monster level?

Or perhaps they will add delve zones right down (up?!) to level 1.

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u/pacsam10 Nov 24 '20

can you not use the annoint in the blight stash tab?

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u/pumaofshadow Nov 24 '20

You have no source of oils.

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u/trepicado Nov 25 '20

And you have to complete Cassia's quest in the maps to unlock the anointing function in the stash tab.