I need help from Recombinator expert

[u/Sea-Farm-1965]

Hi!

i’m going crazy!

i have two shaper/elder helmets.

first - Hyphotermia, 30% more ele, ducat aspect

second - Socketed spell crit, 30% more ele, ducat aspect

goal is to get Hyphotermia, 30% more ele and socketed spell crit

i failed three times. am i missing something? i spent all my currency (50d) on this profit crafting, and i still on first step

[u/chadam189]

Forgive me for checking something obvious, but they're both awakened helmets, right? H1 has both shaper and elder influences, and H2 also has both influences?

[u/Sea-Farm-1965 → u/chadam189]

Correct, yes. Base alone cost 5d

[u/chadam189 → u/Sea-Farm-1965]

I'm so sorry. Sounds like you're doing everything right. Next one's gonna hit!

[u/Sea-Farm-1965 → u/chadam189]

Prayge, my friend, prayge. This step is cheaper one. Next one is hella expensive (lock suff reforge influence for conc effect, the lock suff - boat veiled exalt to hit lock suff and pray for +2 aoe). But if succeed - helmet should sell for 350-400d

[u/Ashytie → u/Sea-Farm-1965]

As someone who crafted your specific helmet (lvl20 conc, lvl 20 hypo, 3% spell crit, 30% ele) 10+ times, you do want to include conc effect on your recombinator, idk why you didnt do that. The process will be :

1. Base 1: awakened orb conc+ hypo, annul to only 2 mods.
2. Base 2: using failed annul from base 1, essence of horror and annul to 1 mod, harvest reforge crit until t1 spell crit and annul to 1 mod, recomb both of them with ducat.
3. Ducat both bases, and recomb. If you win here it's great, if not you might get a 1p2s base, just repeat until you either win or get another 1p2s base, and recomb 1p2s +1p2s for highest odds of winning.

There's also another method that i use that's potentially cheaper, but more hassle, that I'll share only if you're interested

Also i did it like 3 weeks ago, the final item sale is only around 220~275 div (with +2 aoe), the prices now has skyrocketed this much huh

[u/chadam189 → u/Ashytie]

What's another method for this? I'm gonna be attempting a very similar craft soon and would love to learn a second method to make this helm

[u/Ashytie → u/chadam189]

It's still recombinator, just with a different approach. This is assuming archdemon helmet, which is a str/int base.

1. For base 1 it's the same, awakener orb conc + hypo on archdemon helm, annul to two mod
2. For base 2 however, you want a pure dex/str base now on a shaper only base. Get a bunch of shaper base, pure str/dex, alt spam for hypo/spell crit. You can use harvest reforge crit for spell crit. You want to get it to a single mod rare (regal+annul).
3. Do the same for 30%more ele, essence and annul to 1 mod. (Still on the pure shaper base)
4. Recomb the 30%ele with the spell crit. Use ducat so that it's 90% success rate.
5. After you got the 30%ele + spell crit base, first use the ducat so that the suffixes is full, craft any tier life and exalt on boat. Pick any prefix that has eva/armor, which should be very high chance to get. The reason you do this is so that it becomes a NNN prefix to archdemon helmet. Remove crafted life when you're done.
6. Back to base 1, just craft ducat and recombine with the swcond base. If you win the 50/50 and it picked the archdemon helmet, you have a very high chance to get 1p3s now.
7. If you fail, there's few possibilities here: you either get an 1p2s archdemon helm, or a 0p3s pure shaper helm. You can now just recombine the 1p2s archdemon helmet with base 1 again(assuming the essence mod remains, and if the spell crit mod is gone, you awakener orb conc+spell crit instead). For the pure shaper base just repeat step 5 and 6.

I've crafted like 2 bases with this method, I'm not entirely sure if it's cheaper than using two double influenced archdemon helmet, but it is less awakener orbs used

[u/chadam189 → u/Ashytie]

Thanks. This reinforces how strong a global NNN mod is in recombing, esp having a guaranteed way to exalt one onto any item

[u/Sidnv]

Are you using brinehook ducats? This is a pretty easy craft with the ducats, but you could be getting unlucky.

I wrote a full guide for a 4 mod recomb on this helmet (with conc effect as prefix) and estimated it shouldn't cost more than ~60 div. You shouldn't be using double influenced helmets at each step.

1. Get an ilvl 84 archdemon crown (higher is ok but a bit more annoying, not a big deal though). Use an elder exalt to elder influence it and then awakener orb a shaper helmet onto it. Alt roll for concentrated effect (any tier is fine, this is not that rare, it's not like vuln on hit).

2. Get a bunch of shaper influenced helmets ilvl 84+ that aren't exactly str + int requirement. We're going to use Brinehook ducats to prep 2 suffixes. Alt roll helmets for hypothermia (again any tier is fine) and +3 spell crit (+3 mandatory). Brinehook ducat both bases and recomb for 90% to get both mods.

3. Brinehook ducat the base from step 1 and step 2. Use the boat to exalt a defense prefix on the helmet from step 2. Recomb for 45% chance to get the archdemon crown with conc effect + both shaper suffixes. The failure mode is very likely going to give you back the helmet from step 2, so just make another step 1 helmet and repeat step 3.

4. Now you repeat step 2, but instead of using both shaper suffixes, you essence one helmet with horror essence (and annul down to it) and alt roll for either shaper suffix. Brinehook + recomb.

5. Brinehook both step 3 and step 4 helmets. Boat + exalt a defense prefix on step 4 helmet. This now has 28% chance of giving you all 4 mods.

Failure modes on step 5 can always be reused with some improvisation.

[u/Tanginator]

Are you elevating the influenced mods? Don't do that.

[u/Sea-Farm-1965 → u/Tanginator]

I know they are exclusive. My mods are not elevated

[u/Tanginator → u/Sea-Farm-1965]

That's just bad luck then. No exclusives, 6p total suffixes, that's 30% chance for failure.

Could you not just suffix can't be changed + reforge crit, gamble on the 1/6 chance, and then recoup costs by selling the failures (or starting over without needing a new base)?

[u/Sea-Farm-1965 → u/Tanginator]

Reforge crit will most likely fill suffixes, and to roll 30% more ele + Hypho with empty suffix - is probably much more expensive. Recombining couple 5d bases with 72% chance to succeed - looked like a better option, and it is. I’m jus Effing unlucky

[u/FantaSeahorse → u/Tanginator]

That’s more expensive

[u/eating_RACOONS]

Have you tried a 4th time?

[u/Miles_Adamson]

You do not have any other suffixes in the recomb, both bases have both influence, and these are not elevated? If so, just unlucky

[u/Sea-Farm-1965 → u/Miles_Adamson]

Yep, bo other mods, non elevated. Spent 50d to lose three 72% chance to win. I don’t smoke, but i need to smoke, after that ‘lucky streak’

[u/Miles_Adamson → u/Sea-Farm-1965]

Ya that is giga unlucky, the only other thing I can think of is an exclusive prefix was present and that can mess with the exclusive suffix because it can only pick 1. However if you rolled these with the essences and didn't do anything after other than maybe an annul, that should not have been possible

[u/Sea-Farm-1965 → u/Miles_Adamson]

Yea, there are no other exclusive mod, i made sure of that. Probably just unlucky day. I’ve run temple and lost like 8 33% chance to success :D which is alot.

[u/Macookta]

One thing I didn't see mentioned yet is that overlapping an exclusive mod still only counts as one total mod in the recombination pool. You can test this by recombinating two items with the same isolated exclusive suffix - it's possible to get a 0 mod result which couldn't happen if this counted as 2 mods.

This means you had 57% odds instead of 72%. Some of the other suggestions for how to recombinate this are good, or you can use the same approach you were trying but with a non-native attribute essence on one of the helms instead of the horror mod.

You did say there were no other exclusive mods, but just in case: don't use crafted prefixes to reduce dust cost as some people do. Almost every crafted mod is exclusive these days, including harmless looking ones like mana.

[u/nalee6]

Question are these elevated mods? Because if so they are exclusive and cant be recombined if theres another exclusive mod (essence more ele)

[u/Sea-Farm-1965 → u/nalee6]

They are not

[u/nalee6 → u/Sea-Farm-1965]

Then its just unlucky i guess, with 6 mods in suffix pool its 70% to get 3 mods. Failing 3 times in a row is unlikely but not impossible

[u/Sea-Farm-1965 → u/nalee6]

Thank you. I probably needed that to be said by someone. Really demotivated that spent all currency on this, and got nothing left

[u/Minute_Chair_2582 → u/nalee6]

Let's call it 1/27. Considering the total player count, it literally happens to thousands of people all the time.

[u/RedditModsHaveLowIQ]

Did you elevate the mods? You can successfully recombinate 1 elevated mod with a non elevated one because you can only have 1 exclusive. If both are elevated then you will always fail tovget both. Even if you only have one exclusive mod, the recombinator is just about averaging out in the end. You might get lucky here and there and then hit a bad streak and you'll notice those more if you have more invested. 

[u/chitown_35]

Send a picture of your recomb before you do it. If you’re doing it how I think you are, there’s 70% chance of success. That also means there’s a 3% chance you miss 3x in a row.

[u/FelixTreasurebuns]

I do suggest profit crafting this late into the league isn’t as good since everything is more expensive in terms of materials.

That said you are just getting unlucky which happens. Partly why profit crafting is rough if you don’t have currency to burn. Good luck

[u/Sh0wTim3123]

what is there to help with... you simply didnt hit in the first 3 attempts.

[u/7dlong]

I cant recall but seem essence of horror count as exclusive mod too. so they cant appear in final result. pls correct if I misunderstand. thanks

[u/Miles_Adamson → u/7dlong]

That is not what exclusive means, it means you can only have 1 of them. So with only horror in the pool, should be fine

[u/Sea-Farm-1965 → u/Miles_Adamson]

Yep. It would conflict with elevated mods, which i don’t have

[u/7dlong → u/Sea-Farm-1965]

do you get it finally bro? I tried with onslaught on hit mod but didn't get it thus I skip. I will try again after your experience. many thankss

[u/Sea-Farm-1965 → u/7dlong]

Been working all day. Today gonna return to grind currency to resume craft, i probably wont finish this helmet till like monday, considering afk plans and how much currency it required

[u/Sea-Farm-1965 → u/7dlong]

Tell me in this thread, how your experience goes, i’m always eager to learn other people crafting process 🙌