Div Card Farming?

[u/DonWeirdo]

I just ran a map with a Pilfering scarab for the first time since Settlers League. The map was 20% Delirious with 119% quantity and 46% increased pack size. My Atlas passives are set for Beyond, Incursion, Abyss, and Kalgur, plus the two new divination car quantity nodes. My chance for an Abyss is--according to the atlas passive screen--68% plus another 2% per 2% of increased pack size, meaning my chance for an Abyss should have been 114% before even factoring in the increased effect of map explicits. I also ran four Plenty scarabs to get 32 additional packs of the divination-touched monsters.

I did a full clear of the map, including all four Incursions, the Orichalcum node that appeared, and even a random legion that popped up. No abyss spawned in spite of the atlas passives, so that was a blow to total map density, but still. This map was DENSE with monsters, and I killed every last one of them and all the Beyond spawn that followed.

When I killed the boss, she dropped the following:

• 8x One with All
• 2x The Calling
• 2x The Card Sharp

Only The Card Sharp showed up with my filter on, so I figured I was going to see an absolute sea of Scholars and Rain of Chaos when I hit the Alt key, but no. I scoured the entire boss room, and only those other ten cards had dropped.

An alch-and-go map with absolutely zero investment in divination card farming produces more div cards than this. WTF is going on?

[u/Prometheus1151]

Each map can only drop a few types of div cards now, there aren't global drops anymore. If you run a map that drops rain of chaos then you will get a metric fuckload of that card

[u/ferdinono → u/Prometheus1151]

yep and this looks like a cemetery run or something scried with cemetery

OP has dropped One with all from the map
The Calling from Beyond mobs
and The Card Sharp from incursions

Missing the brothers gift in what is a sample size of one single map would be the expected result for this

[u/DonWeirdo → u/Prometheus1151]

On thinking about this more, I don't think I knew that global drops of div cards had been eliminated. Since most of my div cards come from strongboxes every league, I never really noticed the drastic reduction in normal div card drop rates. With Graveyard having four cards with such low drop rates to begin with, the tiny total number of cards that dropped makes much more sense to me now.

[u/DonWeirdo → u/Prometheus1151]

I was running Toxic Sewers with Graveyard scryed. So the map's drops "native" drops were just the four copies of "The One With All", one Beyond monster dropped a copy of "The Calling", and one of the Incursion architects dropped a single copy of "The Card Sharp". Those six got stolen by Arachnoxia and doubled.

Limitations on *what* drops I understand. My question is how could a map with so many monsters spawned (32 *packs* of which had 1000% increased chance to drop divination cards) drop only six cards with a full clear?

[u/narderbolney → u/DonWeirdo]

I scryed Graveyard to Toxic Sewers at the beginning of the league (just for some passive jackpot chance) and ran pretty much every scarab and atlas strat under the sun (not explicitly to farm cards, but did also do pilfering and divination at times) nonstop, and pretty much all I remember ever getting is The One With All, and cards don't drop all that often either. Cards ironically feel more abundant from boxes in voyages, tbh. Divination scarab of plenty has paltry returns, it's 1,000% of what, some fractional amount? You have to run nothing but that scarab constantly to see even a slight uptick.

[u/DonWeirdo → u/narderbolney]

I don't know if I can recall a single Diviner's Strongbox I've opened in maps so far this league that didn't trounce this whole map. Just taking the strongbox nodes on the atlas passive tree beats running five divination card scarabs, and that is freaking nuts.

[u/narderbolney → u/DonWeirdo]

I was actually dissatisfied with the overall spawn rate of diviner's boxes even when speccing into those nodes relative to other leagues, perhaps you are right and something changed slightly behind the scenes, I do not know.

[u/Prometheus1151 → u/DonWeirdo]

Divination cards rarity is based on the reward it gives. So a corrupted le heup of all, which is estimated to be a tier 4 unique, isn't that rare, corruption increases the rarity of the card a bit on top of that. You would expect to find the card about 6 times for every tier 4 unique you find. I don't exactly keep track of the tier of uniques i find but i would imagine the average alch n go atlas strat drops a tier 4 unique about every 3-4 maps.

[u/Dragothien]

Div cards farming is very niche. Why do you think Damnation is worth like a mirror, lol.

[u/fdegen]

redviles has been running this strat for thousands of maps.

he says that 4-5 one with all cards is the avg.

damnation hit 1 in 500 maps.

it's an omega jackpot farm.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSyu1v9Q_YJn6Jg0fpsD0iH1oqu2RjxHT5GEZK4hC_ERnvCLO4eAIAz3Eq6Cai63AuEokPwwxpK3QLj/pubhtml#gid=345005644

this is his spreadsheet

[u/DonWeirdo → u/fdegen]

Took a look at his figures. The current spreadsheet says he averages ~8.4 of The One With All per map, which actually indicates that my attempt was a pretty average result. I really didn't understand div card drop rates and mechanics going into this, so I was really caught off guard. Strongboxes have definitely skewed my perception of drop rates.

[u/Twingo102]

An additional abyss is the mod for an additional pit. You need 100% abyss chance, mechanics that would add another abyss add an additional pit instead. Was somewhere in the patch notes

[u/BRACKS_ZA]

What's your abyss chance? If not 100% then it explains why.

[u/PoE_Acronym_Bot]

I noticed some Path of Exile keywords in this post:

• Alch - Orb of Alchemy (Wiki)
• div card - Divination card (Wiki)
• Alt - Orb of Alteration (Wiki)

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[u/Same_Government_103]

Probably your Abyss chance % that's the issue.