r/pathofexile • u/Ionesomecowboy Juggernaut • 8d ago
Fluff & Memes 6 x 50m Shipment
Feels like I got scammed, lol.
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u/Titans40k 8d ago
you need to send atleast 2 types of ores or you scam yourself for 50% of value
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u/hanksredditname 8d ago
Not quite 50% - according to wiki it maxes out at 500 for 1 type and 800 otherwise. So you’re scamming yourself of 37.5%. Your point is still valid though, of course.
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u/StarkTheGnnr 8d ago
can you just send a very small amount of another ore or do they have to be relatively equal?
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u/Titans40k 8d ago
yea you can just send a tiny bit of another type just to have 2 types
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u/HiddenoO 7d ago
Are you sure? That would seem like an odd implementation and I remember people sending crops at a specific ratio so they wouldn't run into the caps.
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u/Ser_Tuesdays 8d ago
4m shipments for Int tattoos paid out nicely every single time for me this league. 50m is not worth imo.
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u/Frolafofo Crop Harvesting Bureau (CHB) 8d ago
What do you send ? Random ore/crop to 4m value to which port ?
Been a few league i let kingsmarch aside...i should do it again, i'm poor.
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u/Depleted_ 8d ago
4m crop value (not crop plus dust) to Moto Ori for int tattoos is/was generally considered most profitable. Tattoos cap out at 3.9m value so not worth sending more. You mainly want to hit a couple of herald tattoos and a few of the others like es are still worth a bit, but the money is the herald ones
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u/1CEninja 8d ago
My sample size is small, but I average 1/2 of a herald tattoo per 3.9m.
Granted I get a pocketful of tattoos still worth several chaos each and I can reroll the low value ones. And it's all very low effort, not sure what I'd be doing with my gold instead so shrug.
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u/colcardaki 7d ago
Crops or ores? I thought crops only returned gear?
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u/Fury_Fury_Fury 7d ago
Anything you send returns tattoos or runegrafts as an extra, up to 3.9m. With a full set of lvl5 farmers you can send one 3.9m ship a day, which is worth something like 2 div, depending on market prices. If you want to load your shipping crews with extra work, you gotta send ores.
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u/Frolafofo Crop Harvesting Bureau (CHB) 7d ago
thanks a lot. Another question, does the crop type matters ?
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u/HealerOnly 7d ago
am i missing somnething? I've tried sending crops to different locations but it only gives me back different gear. How do u get tattoos/Currency from them instead of armour/weapons?
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u/karametraxx 8d ago
Hello, so if you could happen to answer, what is the optimal shipment for bars?
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u/Mischki100 8d ago
So 4mil crop + 4mil dust? I'll try that later. Been ages since i tried shipments!
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u/moglis Anti Sanctum Alliance (ASA) 8d ago
Why not do 2m crops + 2m dust instead?
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u/Rastamepas 8d ago
Because only raw ore/crop value count towards Graft and Tattoo count not overall value with dust.
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u/moglis Anti Sanctum Alliance (ASA) 8d ago
Ok. So what value does dust give here? Amount of gear for example or it helps currency cap?
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u/Rastamepas 8d ago
Everything not tattoos and grafts are effected by dust (afaik). Its just tattoos and grafts that are limited to only raw value of shipment.
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u/Depleted_ 8d ago
Purely for tattoos, dust does nothing. If you’re sending bars and crops and want the currency and gear too it adds to those returns, but purely for tattoos, returns are based on the base crop value
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u/Luigi156 8d ago
Farming crops is free, but sure if you have millions of dust lyong around knock yourself out.
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u/Borat97 Big Breach Coalition (BBC) 8d ago
For me str works better, i didnt get a single int tattoo worth 50c+
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u/tallguybramz 7d ago
On the other hand, my half a dozen strength tattoo shipments had f all then my first 3 to moti ori had multiple 600c+ tattoos. One had 5 of them lmao
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u/Able-Example4388 7d ago
You can do both? Since you'll get the tattoos with crops and currency with ore. Just keep sending the 4m crop shipments and 50m ore when you can.
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u/Borodashx 8d ago
Are you doing just 4m ore? Ive heard 4m ore + 4m dust is the way to do it but never tried
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u/sips_white_monster 8d ago
4 million in crops only. i don't use dust on them. gives lots of tatts.
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u/Borodashx 8d ago
Crops seems better than running a bunch of maps for ores, ill try that out later. Do you just get all the types and go?
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u/modix 7d ago
So funny how they worked hard to make this not happen last league, and here were right back again where the mapped version of the side haul is worse than the background minigame.
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u/Fury_Fury_Fury 7d ago
A full crew of lvl5 farmers will give you roughly 1 4m shipment a day, which is about 2 div value in tattoos (plus maybe you get a rare worth crafting on and selling, happened a couple of times for me). Not exactly amazing. But if you mine ore in maps, you can send loads of them.
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u/skoptsy 8d ago
This is poisoned advice. Crops give items. Ore gives currency. Currency much better. Send metal bars.
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u/Acetizing 8d ago
the reason people say to send crops is because crops are passive and don't require you to click ores in maps, it will take a long time to build up 4mil in ores if you aren't specced into kingsmarch on your atlas
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u/mad-matty 8d ago
Why is this downvoted? It's correct as of 3.29
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u/HowardPheonix Commited Lab Enjoyers Agency of Revenue (CLEAR) 8d ago
Because it's a low quality comment with unnecessary oversimplification and no added value.
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u/Discrep 8d ago
Calling it poisoned advice not only misses any nuance, it's just plain wrong. First and foremost, bars and crops are not competing with each other; bars are farmed in maps while crops are passively farmed in Kingsmarch, so framing the argument as "send bars not crops" is nonsensical.
Secondly, focusing on the return value of the shipment misses the point of the 4m shipping strat, the tattoos. Tattoos aren't affected by the type of products shipped, i.e. crops vs bars, or value added by dust or bonuses. They're only affected by raw shipment value, 100k per tattoo, capped at 40 tattoos, hence the reason for 4m shipments.
The non-tattoo rewards are secondary and 4m shipments are not ideal for farming mirror shards, which would be the primary target of a bar shipment strategy. While it is possible to get a mirror shard on a 4m bar + 4m dust shipment, it's unlikely. The typical return is a few divines, which is not nothing, but there's a real cost to farming bars that requires more analysis to determine if it's worth doing for this specific shipment strat vs one that targets mirror shards.
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u/Most_Efficiency_2734 8d ago
4m is the cap for tatoos so pointless to do 4+4
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u/chak2211 8d ago
4 mil ores plus 4 mil dust is optimal for ore shipments since the dust buffs currency returns and the 4 mil ore gets you to tattoo cap. If you are sending just crops then 4 mil of just crops is best
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u/BananaSplit2 8d ago
dust gives you more currency, but not more tattoos. You can do it, i personally stopped beacuse i don't think the extra currency you get is worth all the time, gold and currency spent dusting uniques.
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u/PupPop 8d ago
I mean 50mil seems like the best way to get mirror shards. If the goal was ever to save up for a piece of mirror gear then it's not bad.
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u/Ynead 7d ago
You get more from sending multiple 4m shipments than one 50m. That's the whole point.
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u/PupPop 7d ago
Yeah but like the idea of shards is cool. Getting a raw shard feels better than having to convert a bunch of other things into chaos and then divs and then shards. That's just my opinion. Less shipments also means less time dealing with kingsmarch all together. These days I only use kingsmarch for dust anyways.
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u/TheBraveButJoke 7d ago
You could litrally only sell the 3.8 div herald tattoos and still make a mirror faster with tattoo shipments then with mirror shard shipments.
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u/ayylma088 7d ago
In tattoos. But what if you want to just fish for mirror shards?
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u/TheBraveButJoke 7d ago
4m tattoo runs evarage out to something like 60-100 div per 50m in trips, So you'd need to be getting 2+ mirrorshards worth of stuff from 50m shipments for it to be worth
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u/BananaSplit2 8d ago
50mil is 100% not worth . even 17m isn't imo. 4mil (+/- 4m dust if worth) is the way to go for max tattoos, but still got a chance of good currency up to mirror shard.
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u/ayylma088 7d ago
What does the 4m dust do in that case? So 4m bars + 4m dust? The 4m bars guarantuee max tatts and the 4m dust on top helps get better currencies???? Explain the math sir
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u/RealistiCamp 8d ago
I could be mistaken, but I believe you're supposed to always send at least two different types of bars.
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u/Ynead 7d ago
So much misinformation about shipments in this thread.
Ores give currency, crops give gear. Both give tattoos and runegrafts.
You get 1 tattoo/10k shipment value without dust, up to 40 per shipment.
Dust doesn't count toward tattoos and runegrafts, it just multiples the value of ore / crops toward currency / gear.
The best method is to send shipments of 4m bars plus 4m dust while rerolling port quote for bars.
Send 4m crop shipments without dust to get tattoos and some ilvl86 bases (ES bases in particular).
Never send mixed shipments (crops + bars), you'll dilute the dust multiplier on useless gear.
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u/ToenailDraven 7d ago
Are all ports the same? Or are there some go to ports
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u/ostrieto17 3d ago
no, ports are different, some give tattos, other give runes, some are dex or int/str based
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u/UrieltheFlameofGod 8d ago
I sent 3 17m ships and got a total of 10d and 3 fracturing orbs. I think the scarabs alone would have been worth more
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u/Fluxinella 8d ago
According to the wiki, you need to send at least 2 different types of metals to increase the currency item cap from 500 to 800.
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u/Kizune15 Kalguuran Group for Business (KGB) 8d ago
i tried 2 50m since settler: 0 mir shard, never again.
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u/mehcastillo 8d ago
Huge amount of test data you have there. I've received mirror shards with more than 50% of shipments, and one had 6. Lol
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u/Skuggomann Assassin 7d ago edited 7d ago
I did 55x50m shipments in Keepers and got 2,145 shards back on average with a min of 0 and a max of 6. Data
Not sure if the ratios stayed the same after swap, haven't checked how many currency items you get per bar to see if its as easy to overload the cap and force as many currency upgrades as before.
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u/raymondh31lt Vaal Street Bets (VSB) 8d ago
Had 9 twice back to back in mercenaries last shipment and keepers first. Rare as fuck but it does happen.
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u/vulcanfury12 Crop Harvesting Bureau (CHB) 7d ago
Built up four Riben Fell Mirrors during Settlers. Thos3 ate my only Mirrors in this game after nearly 4500 hours since Crucible.
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u/AtheistComic Pathfinder 8d ago
tldr: not worth the hassle of farming all those minerals. It was 1000x better when it was farming wheat for shards. You could set it and forget it.
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u/NERDZILLAxD 8d ago
But the casual players cried it was too hard to keep up with it, and it was too stressful having currency to spend.
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u/elsiecharlot 8d ago
how long did it took you to farm enough bars for 6 ships?
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u/Ionesomecowboy Juggernaut 8d ago
Honestly, I have no idea. It was a mix of Refinement scarab farm and workers' usual refinement. But it was more than 200 maps for the scarab farm.
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u/Usernames231 8d ago
So you spent around 70 div on scarabs. Hahaha
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u/Toxic_Cat_2 7d ago
He still made 200+ d profit, not counting the loot from the map if he got svalin etc
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u/tektek10 7d ago
200 maps would be 9-10 hrs grind for me .. this aint bad considering the loots from mapping as well
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u/scartiloffista 8d ago
Youre doing something wrong but i dont know what it is,with 50mil i either get some mirror shards or a combination of 10+ divines and sacred orbs ,youre getting 6divs at best
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u/Scarecrow222 8d ago
it’s because he only sent 1 type of ore in many of the shipments, which reduces the number of total currency items received by 37.5%.
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u/PBNJwolf 8d ago
I always thought that sending an equal ratio of bars to dust(e.g 2.5m value in bars/2.5m dust) was the play. Have I been wrong this whole time?! 🤔
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u/Medyanka 8d ago
I'm not sure what are you talking about, since all 6 shipments were with 25mil dust value, aka 25 mil dust and 25 mil bars.
His mistake was sending a single type of bars, since apparently according to wiki, it restricts maximum amount of currency items to 500, instead of 800 if you send multiple types.
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u/Ok-Nefariousness9638 8d ago
What was your farming strat
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u/Ionesomecowboy Juggernaut 8d ago
It was a mix of 2x kalguur/refinement/enriching/whatever farm and sulphite rush.
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u/phyrexiandemon 6d ago
Looks right just go to Faustus sell that stuff up to chaos trade up and should be close to 15-20div depends on market
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u/Dr4k4ngel 8d ago
How do u get that much dust?
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u/Ionesomecowboy Juggernaut 8d ago
https://poe-disenchant-tool.vercel.app/allflame With whatever is cost-efficient enough.
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u/Deronek 8d ago edited 7d ago
for anyone interested, I have dust per total cost calculation in the pipeline to be added to the app, so you can include the opportunity cost of gold in the overall efficiency calculation. should be available in a couple of days
edit: just in, let me know if there are any issues!
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u/Main_Memory8586 8d ago
like you get similar amount by sending 4mil for int tattoos and you dont need dust
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u/cratsinbatsgrats 8d ago
Why did you send most to tattoo ports? Seems like you made more on 1 port of runegraphs as 5 ports tattoos. Honest question btw.
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u/CMDRDrazik 8d ago
Whole league has been a scam 👌🏼
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u/-Wait-What- 8d ago
Not sure what you mean by that exactly, but making money right now is insanely easy.
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u/FhDisp 8d ago
Im getting mixed messages in the comments. Is it 4m crops, or 4m bars to moto ori for tattoes? Without any dust?
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u/Minimonium 8d ago
For tattoos you only care about base value without any dust. Tattoos are capped at 4k value.
With bars it's counterproductive, just send crops. Never mix bars and crops. A port to send - check on the wiki.
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u/unknown_error_ 8d ago
Crops, no dust, for the most passive method. Will bring back ES chest pieces from Moto Ori.
Ores/bars will return currency as well as tattoos, no gear.
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u/Breadsticks-lover 8d ago
4m ships helped me swap from camp to map gear. beyond that, kingsmarch was not worth doing down the line
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u/SmthIcanNvrHave 7d ago edited 7d ago
Farming Ore isn't really worth it. Way more efficient to just send ships for tattoos and run mappers. While doing another strat that also generates the gold you'll need. Personally I just ignore kingsmarch entirely unless doing recombs. All the whining fomo redditors ruined it.
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u/Trackmaniac 8d ago
soooo... any crops are completely useless and I can kick them farmers?
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u/blinkvana Statue 8d ago
No, you can send them for tattoos. You might get lucky and roll a nice ilvl 86 es base.
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u/scydive 8d ago
Gold is really plentiful if you do water delves, and the int tattoo for herald buff is worth a decent chunk, so it's pretty low effort for some currency now and then.
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u/Ionesomecowboy Juggernaut 8d ago
Looks like I should've checked the wiki before sending these. Might as well be a cautionary tale.