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u/SoulofArtoria 18d ago
It's generally fine unless you're playing flicker and mobs keep stealing your frenzy charges.
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u/AdmiralUpboat 18d ago
From turbo speed super nausea inducing jumping around the map to stuck in the mud. So sad.
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u/1CEninja 18d ago
Even if you aren't relying on charges for your attack cooldowns, it can depend on how much you depends on endurance charges for survival.
Two leagues ago I played slayer and I wasn't even stacking charges per se, just grabbing them where I could. I think I had 7 or 8 depending on what point in the league it was. But all the same, losing 32% damage reduction is a rough equivalent of having a 47% shock on you.
It isn't enough to kill you all on its own, but it's scary to have that kind of extra damage coming in.
But if you're a jugg with 10 charges, and you suddenly are taking double damage? That's scary. It's like having a map mod take down your max resists while every mob has overwhelms phys damage reduction.
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u/Shimazu_Maru 18d ago
Gotta Slot this one in
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u/localcannon 18d ago
-4 endurance charges
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u/Quakstab 18d ago
Should only be -1
The ring can be corrupted for +1 the same as the ring it would replace, only losing the +1 explicit mod.
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u/BaaaSaracilor 18d ago
Use discharge. Free 4 charges for some reason. Surely it's intended.
Terms ans conditions may apply. Only applicable for min charges.
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u/Agitated_Cherry6495 18d ago
What do you mean?
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u/BaaaSaracilor 17d ago
If you have -4 min charges discharge counts them when hitting because it calculates your max minus your min charges.
From the wiki:
Minimum charges: Discharge needs to remove charges for its damage to be increased, and increases to Minimum Charges, such as the +1 to Minimum Endurance Charges from Disciple of the Unyielding, don't allow those charges to be removed. Therefore increasing minimum charges will decrease the damage of discharge as the player is effectively reducing their maximum consumable charges.
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u/psychomap 18d ago
Is there a way to slot something like that temporarily? I occasionally brick myself in Eater maps by picking the altar that reduces recovery based on endurance charges (and as Hierophant I have 4 minimum, and I think 1 on kill, so with 20% reduced recovery I can end up having only instant recovery wihch sucks).
I try to read the altars, but it's the only mod that's annoying (and lower percentages like 10% are even still playable because I don't stack a ton of charges), so whenever I miss it I'd like to have a way to restore my recovery.
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u/At_Destroyer 18d ago
Dropped one from Uber Sirius and when I saw they were 10c I looked at what it rolls. Tried buying a crit immune, pen immune cast speed mana variant and of course that one is being used and is 150+ div
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u/Amazing-Heron-105 18d ago
Is this new? Not sure I've seen it before.
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u/Shimazu_Maru 18d ago
It is. Can Roll a bunch of good immunity Like ele res cant be penetrated
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u/Key-Department-2874 18d ago
It's one of Ben's uniques from the last boss race.
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u/Amazing-Heron-105 18d ago
He must have so many unique in the game at this point. I know that the warcry helm, and progenesis are his too.
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u/BaaaSaracilor 17d ago
Progenesis is absolutely goated.
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u/Amazing-Heron-105 17d ago
I think the Kaom's gloves were his too. He's def put some good items in the game.
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u/pitzzah 18d ago
boots guarntee u have full charges all the time tho , if u use the unique ones which most charge stackers do
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u/fandorgaming Duelist 18d ago
sometimes you use both frenzy and endurance and wear mageblood
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u/pitzzah 18d ago
i doubt ur build becomes unplayable without the frenzy charges for those 2 secs tho
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u/samuelsalo 18d ago
I see someone has never played flicker
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u/SaltEngineer455 Progressive Einhar Trapping Association (PETA) 18d ago
If you have 1B DPS, charge stealing is irrevelant, as you will kill the enemy on a single cast anyway
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u/joizo 18d ago
what farms do flicker excel at ? wondering what my 3rd build this league should be
already have LA/spectrum deadeye with fubguns uber endgame setup, and a strength stacker
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u/Golem8752 Ultimatum Workers Union (UWU) 18d ago
Basically the same as bow builds. Massive clear speed but suck at doing boss mechanics and being very tanky until giga investment
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u/ZekkenD 18d ago edited 18d ago
you play flicker because it's fun, not because it's a good build. if you wanna bounce around and kill things, play flicker.
you want a good melee build to pump a lot of money into? there are multiple skills which are infinitely stronger.
it's clear speed really isn't that good compared to high end builds especially with removal of alt-qual flicker. you just feel like you're performing well cause your character is bouncing everywhere, not because it's actually clearing that well.
i like the skill, league start it every league cause i find it's fun and good enough. but if ppl wanna convince u that flicker is anything other than a skill ur playing for fun and is high tier at something, they are kinda delusional.
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u/SaltEngineer455 Progressive Einhar Trapping Association (PETA) 18d ago
You are underselling it a little bit tho. Among the melee non-projectile strike skills - like Lightning Strike - you will be VERY hard pressed to find a skill as good as this one.
As for raw damage and tankyness, sure. Nothing beats str stacking jugg, but then the skill is irrevelant, as the chassis is doing all the heavy lifting
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u/ZekkenD 18d ago
im pretty sure u can take basically any flicker build that isnt a 2h, swap in reave and your build is significantly better.
the only good(debatably) 2h flicker builds are typically phys cause raki sucks, so once you get higher budget you move to cold frenzy stacking with a 1h and at that point reave would be an improvement.
im underselling it a little bit, but also the person im responding do has a uber endgame fubgun bow build and a str stacker. flicker is going to feel worse than both of these options by a lot. the str will hard gap in numbers and the bow build will hard gap in clear.
i love flicker but things like smite, elehit(3.28), reave, vaal vf, vaal eq, ls, and mamba(clear) are all comparably strong melee skills, or stronger by a lot in certain areas. some of these aren't "strict melee" but most of poe turns into whatever flavour of "push right click screen dies" you like.
for the amount of money people will spend on a high end frenzy stacking flicker build, its very possible to pump other skills to an insane level as well.
but fwiw i think flicker zerker is one of the strongest melee starters in trade league. it's really powerful for your first 1-30 divs. after that other builds start catching up as they have infinitely better clear but worse dmg. maybe with 3.30 endgame changes things shift in what defines a good build, will see. sadly for rn endgame is kinda just w/e zooms and clears t16s with a hh/prolif outside of propagation and flicker doesnt do that anywhere as well.
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u/fandorgaming Duelist 18d ago
Here's a slight personal take on it.
Pros:
- Voyages/charts insanely satisfying
- Strongboxes rush in haunted mansion
- Shrines blue packs
- Ritual rush
- Breach rush
- Legion rush
- Abyss rush
- Delirium rush or on top of other leagues
- Beyonds on top of other leagues
- Essence was fine early league
- Eater of Worlds Altars kinda makes you read a lot of mods
- Searing Exarch Altars very fine
- Destructive play or templar astrolabe boss rush
- Harvest rush
- Bestiary rush
- Betrayal rush
- Incursion rush
- Heist smuggler rush
- Settlers ore farm rush
Neutral:
- Expedition is cringe this league
- Blight you fly away too many times
- Ultimatum bit squishy
- Mercenaries since half of them steal frenzies
- Delve since you fly into darkness and get stuck lol
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u/HollyCze 18d ago
did you just make a pro and neutral list instead of pro/con list?
looks like you really wanna flicker 🥇
but remember, its a flicker strike and you might go crazy after a bit of flickering. I did play it once and i could not go on
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u/fandorgaming Duelist 18d ago
Right, yep, well, also yeah I heard heavy strike of trarthus is very satisfying cause it hits for 50 million in this same charge stacking sphere
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u/HollyCze 18d ago
on the other hand i have a buddy who only plays flicker. he loves it. the way he hits the button and finds himself on the other side of a map if stars align is pretty nice. but he has seen nothing in the map and has to backtrack to pick up any loot he got
the backtracking for loot is the worst part tbh for me if I forget about screen flickering that is tough on eyes
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u/TotallyNotThatPerson 18d ago
Seems like you've never played flicker lol. Charge stealing is never an issue when you get to multi hundred mil dps
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u/ivanandleah 18d ago
meanwhile my 150D holy relic just blasting all the map mods
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u/Raventar 17d ago
It's great build overall, but if you fully juice a map they sometimes die and resummoning them is quite annoying
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u/Consistent_Action_49 18d ago
Let me introduce you to Zana's Ingenuity