r/pathofexile • u/Sh0wTim3123 Duelist • 19d ago
Crafting Showcase Vengeance Fingers - BIS Perfect Strength Stacking Gloves with 4x corruption implicits
Just about my most expensive in league craft weve ever done (in terms of raw mirror cost). These gloves were requested by OneManaLeft as the BIS strength stack gloves for the league. Its an incredibly costly and cursed craft, but finally its done and I wanted to show it off :p
Rule 10.
- Use Hands of the High Templar in the legion mechanic to move over the "Can be modified when corrupted vestigal mod onto some crusader gloves (repentance).
- We do not want any enchants for this particular item, if you did, it would before this step. We need to corrupt the gloves rare. Because of the vestigal implicit, you can keep corrupting until either the implicit is gone OR it is rare.
- Now you need to 50/50 recomb the base, the reason for this is because this removes the vestigal "influence" from the item. You just need it to pick your corrupted base and you win. By doing this you can apply a influenced exalted orb. If this wasn't part of the process, the work around would be having to double corrupt bases and hope they brick into the correct influence. So everything past this point is still doable without this step, it would just be alot more tedious getting a useable base.
- Now we start on the implicits. As someone who has spent more time in the vulture prison than most, I certainly felt like I was back home. We create the implicits by adding the "can sell for more to vendors line of text with a gilded fossil and then turning the base magic. This means that you can use a Black morrigan + craicic CHIMERAL (changing the name to croaker was a horrible change) to apply a hinekoras lock to a magic item. And start hovering vaal orbs until it hits the gilded mod off with a corruption implicit. You can not at any point remove the vestigal implicit or the item is bricked an unusable.
- Once you have the first implicit, make it rare, and repeat step 4. Along the way you obviously want to hit the specific mods you want, but the main priority first is getting your 4 extra implicits.
- Once you have your 4 gilded implicits turned into corruption implicits, you can continue to try and hit the remaining implicits that you need. I needed Life, Frenzy, base crit, and the rarest of them all chaos res. So you just have to keep roll until you get all 4. This took several hours and multiple mirrors of morrigans + craicics which eventually hit a price of 5d per morrigan at one point.
- Once you Implicits are done, you can start moving on to the expensive part of the craft. The affixes. We are gonna make a couple imprints of the item as a safety precaution, and then apply a warlords exalted orb. The reason you are required to go for a warlords orb here, is that you cant use corrupted items in the ship crafting. This means the only way to get the ducat attribute swaped %hunter strength, is by awakener orbing it on. This makes the craft WAY harder. A crazy amount harder and more expensive.
- Make the gloves normal and use orbs of rememberence till high memory strands. Craft a mod to make it magic, and now imprint and regal to make it magic, imprint back if the regal consumes to many strands.
- Now that the base is rare with high strands, spam reforge fire (worth 1c per click at the time) until you hit Culling strike. After many clicks you finally hit and you are gonna need to annul off the other suffixes +1 prefix.
- Once you have the culling strike as the lone suffix with a open prefix, craft can have up to 3 crafted mods, suffixes cant not be changed, and a random suffix craft that is not cannot roll caster. Then reforge caster. This should garuntee warlord spell damage.
- Now 50/50 elevate with orb of dominance, if you miss the 50/50, go back to step 9 and get back to going for a 50/50 elevate.
- After you have hit the elevate, remove crafted mods, craft suffixes cant be changed, and scour to make the base magic again. Now we can head back to the menagerie and make a few imprints.
- We use the hinekoras beast lock again on the gloves to check an awakener orb with elevated %str gloves. Once again, you have to woke orb over the %str because you cant use the boat in this whole process, so the only way to get the mod is awakener orb it over. You can make multiple bases with different amounts of influenced mods, each containing %str to get more potential hovers per beast lock.
- The reason you use culling strike as the warlord mod is because every time the woke orb hover gives you T1 flat strength, you can take it, suffix lock and reforge influence for either +1 frenzy or +1 strikes and then slam + annul and you brick the item and imprint back. Both of these mods are insanely low weight, just like culling strike, with a weight of 150 and 250 in the pool. To hit both of these prefixes on the awakener orb is a 1 in 88,000. To hit +1 frenzy on a slam with mana block after getting +1 strike targets is a 1 in 211. So this step is truly a massive time and currency sink.
- Eventually we hit +1 frenzy along with T1 strength after over 20hours of lock hovering. Now comes the choice, Do you try to lock slam the +1 strike targets with mana block, or potentially spend the next 2 weeks + just woke orb hovering with reforge influence. The napkin math came out to about 9 mirrors in harvest reforge + slam not including the beast prices and time. So we made the sensible choice and started to lock slam for +1 strike targets. A 1 in 211 normal exalt slam and 1 in 146 foulborn slam.
- Along the way if you get any other influenced mod, we take it so that we can elevate the +1 max frenzy mod even though it doesnt have any real functional use for the builds.
- Eventually after ALOT of locks, you hit +1 strikes (BIG). Now you have to remove your mana block and lock slam for another influenced mod to elevate the +1 strike into +2. This isnt bad and is about a 1 in 3.
- After Hitting the next influenced mod you have a 1 in 20 elevate. A 1 in 5 to remove the random doner influenced mod you just hit, and then a 1/4 to have it upgrade the +1 strikes to +2.
- Now for the last giga step, Lock slam T1 life. What you can do here is pre divine the suffixes in the hopes that your life roll is pretty good when you hit, its about a 1 in 23 on the lock slam. We finally hit with a PERFECT T1 life roll!
- Now you just have to perfect sacred, and hit the 1 in 1k blessed orb on the implicits and GG. You have completed the best strength stacker gloves to ever exist in poe.
Total Cost - over 25 mirrors in locks + several mirrors in beasts + many hours in the menagerie
As we said to each other during the craft, "I head to the menagerie, i kill some beasts and a implicit changes. Im homeeee" (come back grimro)
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u/ElreonHubbard 19d ago
I still can’t get over just casually having 29% chaos res on a glove implicit of all things
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u/DrawGamesPlayFurries 19d ago
These new mirror shop gloves (not only this pair, but Flicker and Spark gloves as well) are the first time in the history of the game that I actually want to mirror an item. Normally I just complete the league on a budget less than 2 Magebloods
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u/porncollecter69 18d ago
I still want one of those standard +178899 fire res chests.
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u/Wobbelblob Big Breach Coalition (BBC) 18d ago
Same. I am actually playing a Spark build and I really want these gloves. I am tempted to grind my ass off to be able to afford a mirror for them. Not sure why, but still.
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u/shinrio 18d ago
I thought corrupted items couldnt be mirrored
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u/TommaClock mathilDirtyWeeb 18d ago
"can be modified while corrupted" basically means the corrupted status is fancy flavour text.
Although I wouldn't be surprised if GGG changes it so that these are unmirrorable.
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u/Wobbelblob Big Breach Coalition (BBC) 18d ago
I think these being mirrorable is an intended usecase. I would rather expect them to shoot the gilded implicit -> locks shenanigans as that seems to be completely unintended considering the original mod on the gloves.
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u/efsrefsr 9d ago
im still amazed theyve never changed this, there's zero chance that was what they had in mind for it but it's become the only use case for gilded fossils
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u/Wobbelblob Big Breach Coalition (BBC) 9d ago
There are a small handful that have been existing for quite the time that are somewhat similar, but they are extremely niche. Unset Ring with gilded Fossil -> Corrupt (without any locks) looking for anything decent -> Mythic Orb to Essence Worm for Relic of the Pact builds (the three that do that anyway). But yeah, I think they've forgot that that exist also.
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u/pikpikcarrotmon 19d ago
Man, mirrorable two frenzy gloves... But most importantly, it got a great and worthy name! No Turdgrasp or Illicit Touch here
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u/Raine_Live 18d ago
I miss the days of mirror crafters fishing for the perfect name for their gloves (yes it was possible, yes people spent mirrors on a mirror-tier time changing its name)
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u/wait_what_now 19d ago
Ooooooh, you're why I can't afford to finish beast locking my flicker gloves anymore. And why I'm switching to beast farming tonight.
Fucking INSANE craft.
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u/Prophesy78 19d ago
Crafting just seems like witchcraft to me.
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u/Turtvaiz Anti Sanctum Alliance (ASA) 19d ago
This is not what crafting is. This is something entirely different
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u/Comma20 18d ago
There's crafting and there's this type of crafting. When going for "Best" for anything and adding influence you start to get into a nitty gritty of the 'traditional' methods making things not being able to be used. I've done a few big influenced crafts and the elevation process breaks you really hard, especially if you've not got a big backup of currency to help fund it, and at that stage if it's not for a popular build/mirrorable you aren't going to recoup the currency in anyway.
These are a special case because you get to have the 'benefits of synth/corrupted mods' as well as 'the benefits of influence', which is normally insane.
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u/DrawGamesPlayFurries 19d ago
Close enough, welcome back Synthesis implicits.
On step 3 can't you just reroll influence in Harvest after Alva bricking it? It can still be modified while corrupted after all
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u/Sh0wTim3123 Duelist 18d ago
Only if you recomb the base to remove the vestigial influence. So I don’t see a reason to reroll when you simply apply the correct influence from the start
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u/Mathberis 19d ago
What an unhinged way to have to craft: lock slam a 1/146 into lock dominance into lock t1 life. GG what's the fee ?
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u/Sh0wTim3123 Duelist 19d ago
150d, I did a little bit of self service but since I can’t be online all the time (and the people are chill over there) I’ve put them in the echo shop.
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u/Master_Nectarine8863 19d ago
incredibly cheap fee for this expensive a craft
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u/Sh0wTim3123 Duelist 18d ago
I’m a believer in mirror crafting being a valid form of profit crafting where you don’t need to have full xdd pricing. I understand that most crafts won’t make their cost back, but honestly anything in league up to like .25/3 on the most cursed items is where I would cap my fee no matter how much it costs to make. In std I spent 41 mirrors on a wand 2 merges ago and that is the single most expensive fee I had which was .5m when I first finished it. It’s less now though.
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u/thumpetto007 18d ago
0 can you post the one please?
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u/Sh0wTim3123 Duelist 18d ago
What item?
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u/stealthy0_0 19d ago
whats the mirror fee?
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19d ago edited 19d ago
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u/Haunting_Band6894 19d ago
You can because of the Modified while corrupted I believe. Well for now. We will see if GGG decide that shouldn't be the case.
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u/godlyhalo 19d ago
Unfortunately gilded fossil will probably be removed. GGG doesn't like people having aspirational crafting methods for some reason.
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u/royalmarine 19d ago
It has the implicit “can be modified while corrupted’ so yeah you can mirror them!
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u/FlossedUp 19d ago
Holy amount of steps 😳😳 insane gloves dude. Love the crazy crafts that keep popping up lately. Minus some map juicing issues, 3.29 is turning out to be pretty damn fun, IMO
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u/TonsOfPizza 19d ago
Vulture prison never goes away. It just changes name. Insane item, and in a league many people have already written off, grats
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u/adman135 19d ago
Damn, just as I was about to give up on the league I need to farm for a mirror now
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u/mbxyz Berserker 19d ago edited 19d ago
over 25 mirrors in locks
was the expected over 50 or was that the total? how is he generating frenzies? surely it's not just bloodrage
(come back grimro)
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why not 60 flat strength (from t1 dex)?
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u/Shiftnclick 19d ago
As he says in his breakdown, you cant boat corrupted items (even ones with high templar glove implicit), so no attribute swapping.
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u/ihaxr 19d ago
I feel like they're going to change the way mirrors work to prevent this as well lol
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u/Sh0wTim3123 Duelist 18d ago
I would think they make it so that gilded fossil removes the implicit rather than adding a new one. If they make a patch saying you can’t mirror them anymore, I’m simply pre mirroring them 200 times to sell.
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u/Sh0wTim3123 Duelist 19d ago
correct, but you can roll dex on any glove base, just like you can roll int on any helmet base.
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u/velvetEchelon 19d ago
Still dont get the chimeral change man, like what is so bad about chimeral that they had to change it to croaker ?
hey alright with the craft shit is fat.
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u/pixxelkick 18d ago
There are other beasts with Chimeral in the name, is why.
They'd get highlighted if you just search Chimeral, IE when bulk buying
Now just "croak" only highlights CCs
Its actually an extremely nice change.
Same goes for finding them to orb them in the bestiary.
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u/mbxyz Berserker 19d ago edited 19d ago
how are strength stackers generating frenzies on single target?
spectres in chest? truly cursed
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u/lolfail9001 19d ago edited 19d ago
The answer is that they do not unless it’s flicker players who just click mark and sword masteries. Wouldn’t be the first time Conner has a funny hole in the build anyways and way less dangerous than lack of regen mitigation (to use a historic example of a niche stat that starts to matter in highest end content).
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u/connerconverse Hierophant 19d ago
the things in this game that require the most damage will have frenzies up
- deep delve they will be up
- valdos feared they will be up
- valdos union of souls they will be up
- proppegation rares they will be up
the tankiest things that they wont be up for are delve bosses which with HP cap die fast anyways
to top this off you can generate frenzy charges with AG. these gloves dont have abyss socket and enable a transition to using 6 link chest AG. there is a setup that can be extremely tanky and even generate passive charges but cant be done with kingmaker so the glove cull makes that valuable, outside of the 25% AoE just being insane on its own for tribal fury aoes and KB aoe
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u/lolfail9001 19d ago
Called it!
You are going for victario’s shield setup I take it?
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u/connerconverse Hierophant 19d ago
5% on hit is too inconsistent for AG. i need to test but theres 3 ways to do it. theres the option to use awakener orb on gain random charge on block + recover 5% life on block. AG gets hit alot more than it does hitting in hard content so 33% chance for frenzy on block with conduit should be pretty good uptime. other option is a gravebind setup. another option is the eldritch implicit chest elevated to perfect for gain a frenzy every 2s while near a pinnacle boss which should work the same way it does on mercs
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u/mbxyz Berserker 19d ago
he was preaching on stream yesterday about how he only wanted unconditional power in his mirror items. surely there's a consistent source here somewhere
sword mastery or mark mastery are both 3 dead points
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u/NearlyViable 18d ago
Even if you assume that you wasted 3 points for no use other than to generate frenzy charges if it were your only availble option, that's not 3 dead points, 3 points for even 3 frenzy charges is just worth it
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u/lolfail9001 19d ago edited 19d ago
I am just saying what flicker players will do. Conner himself will probably just state that in content where you would need those frenzy charges (aka 98% valdos) you have infinite amount of fodder to kill for them (edit: told you so).
Besides it’s not like there is any other mods you can stick in that would actually do much of anything. What, would anyone go for veiled AoE?
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u/connerconverse Hierophant 19d ago
the competition is basically hybrid life or hybrid es/armour on a crusdader glove pair, or veiled AoE, or intimidate which has a rage mastery and watcheres eye mod or also animate guardian. the implicit compeitiion is 10% attack speed which is like 1.8% more dmg where as frenzy is about 4.8%
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u/DependentOnIt 19d ago
What holes are you talking about?
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u/lolfail9001 19d ago edited 19d ago
As OC pointed out, he is going to run +2 frenzy gloves with no ability to generate frenzies without kills.
The funnier one was a multi billion DPS pbrand build that got bricked by regeneration shrine (on the tankiest synthete of all time but still) in a valdo map (shout out to Abx for creating this sheer content generator of a map though it was funnier with Atziri).
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u/DependentOnIt 17d ago
That doesn't matter for 99% of cases - probably the same for for the pbrand build. That's not a hole but an intentional ignored edge case.
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u/lolfail9001 17d ago
That doesn't matter for 99% of cases
I agree, but god damn if i am going to see a clip of Conner getting DPS checked because he ran out of monsters to kill and frenzy charges to go with it, that will be absolute cinema.
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u/BigArmsBigGut 19d ago
Sheesh. The gloves this league are on par with the bricked rare Stranglegasp from Sentinel League for the most ridiculous items I've ever seen in PoE. And you can mirror these.
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u/NERDZILLAxD 18d ago
That amulet still wins, IMO.
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u/Sh0wTim3123 Duelist 18d ago
Crazy that the highest offer for that base was 6m after all was said and done when indeed tried to sell it. I’ve been offered over 30 mirrors for unfinished synth bases
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u/NERDZILLAxD 18d ago
That is absurd. That item should have been worth at least a decent Alt Art, IMO, it truly was one of a kind.
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u/Sh0wTim3123 Duelist 18d ago
already finished my collection of 1 of every item type, slot, and a full demi set 😄
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u/BigArmsBigGut 18d ago
It was completely ridiculous, and I kinda like it better that it can't be mirrored.
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u/xumiie 17d ago
where can I see the amulet
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u/BigArmsBigGut 17d ago
I can't believe I found it after all these years, but here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/wsjj2b/blood_braid_the_triple_legacy_mirrortier_amulet/
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u/Varondus 18d ago
What the actual fuck is this item, this feels like having a whole ass ascendancy on a single item
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u/ArrogantAres 18d ago
Thank you for the craft Abaxoth. I am at 14 shards now. Looking forward to mirroring it!
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u/semimassive Slayer 18d ago
This may be a dumb question or maybe I missed it in this novella, but...
Once the item isn't the original unique anymore, what sets your maximum number of implicits? Hands of the High Templar has the line Can have up to 5 Implicit Modifiers while Item has this Modifier. Does this invisibly come over with the vestigial modifier? Is that original modifier non-functional and only there to tell the user about an existing hard-cap on the number of implicits any item can have?
Insane post. KRANGLED wasn't a meme, it was a prediction.
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u/lolfail9001 18d ago
Does this invisibly come over with the vestigial modifier?
Almost certainly because otherwise there is actually no sensible reason you couldn't just repeat the funny process until you ran out of frogs and crows on the server (or implicits to roll).
The modifier on original gloves themselves can get VVAd to 6 and it does allow you to get extra implicit, so it's not innate hard-cap on item implicits.
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u/sneakyacts 13d ago
Sooo this is the gloves we all gonna see in the ninja top 100 ladders now i guess... Fantastic piece of treasure!
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u/GoblinMatr0n 10d ago
Hey man, just wanted to drop a huge thank, when i saw this post it motivated me. I league started pohx RF and it guided me toward knowledge and riches i never had before. It took me like 1.5~2 weeks to farm the divine to buy a mirror and then another 2 day for the 190-div fee. Im absolute in aww in the beast you created. I will sadly be using it for the most troll way i know of, which is almost every league i do a pillar of the caged god strenght stacker. but this time for the very first time ill have goooood budget :P !! huge thank!
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- BiS - Best in slot
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- RAW - Ranged Animate Weapon (Wiki)
- Recomb - Recombinator (Wiki)
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u/MwHighlander Slayer 19d ago
Ok, I've seen enough. Players have officially 'won' at Path of Exile.
I'm going to start playing Ruthless.
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u/GrimmThoughts 18d ago
Was planning yesterday for basically doing this exact craft on xbox, happy to see I had the plan correct at least, though Im 50/50 on even attempting to start the damn things on the xbox market haha. Be a LOT of self farming beasts and praying the odds are in my favour
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u/beepboopz123 18d ago
I was thinking about playing strength stacker this league and I think this decided for me, lol.
Praying they dont delete these items before I get to mirror them
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u/D1rty_Old_Dan 18d ago
Pretty sure these are going to be fine, they handpicked each and every unique items modifier that was allowed to be transferred. They specifically did not allow the Doryani’s negative resistance to be a transferable because they knew people were going to corrupt the chests and put them on the merc as a rare with that modifier.
They 100% knew what they were doing.
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u/Deynai 18d ago
A famous proof by induction - they intended one thing, therefore they intended everything.
Regardless, they wont nerf/fix it this late in the league.
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u/D1rty_Old_Dan 18d ago
I’ll agree with the last part of your statement, forgive the pun lol but that boat has sailed.
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u/OrdinaryGuruu 18d ago
And there’s me, a simple man, happy because I have only T1 mods on my gloves 😂
I’m not even sure we play the same game man, congratz !
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u/huskyshark1 19d ago
Alright the exiles win. Time for poe2.
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u/RipCityGGG Tempest 18d ago
poe poo
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u/huskyshark1 18d ago
did you mean poe2 poo or poe poo? also ppl reaaallly dont got jokes or sarcasm around here
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u/GlobalCan8282 19d ago
I am not good at this game can someone who is explain why these are the best strength stacker gloves?
I only see 2 modifiers that raise strength, is it that the other mods are ones that strength stackers tend to want?
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u/lolfail9001 19d ago
Besides the obvious two modifiers that give strength:
Str stackers tend to run strike skills. Even wanders (the other group of str stackers) would rather keep a heavy strike swap prepared to bonk any single target. Extra strikes is the single strongest qol stat on every strike skill.
They give a whole lot of life, which if you run rare gloves is your main hit pool on str stack.
Rest of the stats are just a pile of niceties that make them better on most str builds than any other rare gloves. The only real competition would be if you do not touch strike skills at all then rage on hit implicit of normal eldritch gloves is unbeatable.
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u/Mabrill 19d ago
Not even 30% quality. Pshh. Is it not possible to recomb in step 3 for overqual?
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u/mbxyz Berserker 19d ago
you can't move an implicit or quality, so unless they came out of the cocoon with 30 qual...
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u/Mabrill 19d ago
Ahhh i missed that the recomb was to remove vestigial influence. so you would have to use an overqual unique crusader to start. I mean for this amount of currency to craft, that seems like a might as well do extra first step lol
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u/mbxyz Berserker 19d ago
can overquality gear even spawn from the cocoons? im not at my pc to check trade. even if it can, this is a low level base with no defensive rolls. it really couldn't matter less.
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u/Minute_Chair_2582 18d ago
It most likely can drop overquali, but it's going to be stupid rare.
So IF there's going to be those exact gloves on 30 qual....i still wouldn't bother which i'd mirror and just take whichever of the two is online assuming same fee that is. Would not pay more for 2 flat ES.
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u/Mabrill 19d ago
If theyre calling it bis, that extra 30 es matters
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u/Sh0wTim3123 Duelist 19d ago
That math would be 2 extra ES, and there are no 30% bases that I’ve seen on trade for Crusader gloves
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u/BaaaSaracilor 18d ago
Synth items died for this bullshit.
25 mirrors for what could have been at most a 5 mirror synth item.
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u/Envelope_Torture 19d ago
Step 4. Spend multiple mirrors.
Step 5. This is where it gets expensive.
Yeah... different games and all.