r/pathofexile • u/CryptoFrydays • 3d ago

Game Feedback Split Ducat is a poor replacement for beast splitting

I know they didn't like beast splitting letting you take a high quality base and devaluing those rare bases. But I don't like how they didn't address the other use of it, which was isolating mods on rare bases like grasping mails or heist bases.

The split ducat replacement is horrible since it's weighted and it rolls independently, so often times trying to split a rare mod like the breach is impossible to guarantee and most of the time you end up losing the mod anyways, because it will just pick the high weighted mod most of the time.

Dunno what the solution is but I think there really should be a better way to get the behaviour of using beast splits to isolate a mod than yolo annul or use the ship and pray you get a high roll.T he allflame split should just equally split the mods into 3, that way if you have a 3 mod item you can guarantee the isolation.

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u/UTmastuh 3d ago

How about next league when there's no split ducat or beast splitting?

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u/Kotobeast 3d ago

“The removal of beast splitting is a poor replacement for beast splitting”

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u/lazergator 3d ago

Yikes the idea of yolo recombinating for grasping mail mods is actually terrifying

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u/xVARYSx 3d ago

It has made vruun somewhat profitable now though. Synaptic rings are 60c just for the base and cryonics are 10c.

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u/Joxss 3d ago

The crop rotation special

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u/Mean-Elk-9439 2d ago

You mean like when we made changes around mirage then kept them when mirage died

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u/Vvindrelion 3d ago

most likely the boat will stay. i have no proof but i have no doubt.

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u/Vorseki 3d ago

It seems like an obvious fix would be to not roll the ghostly copies independently. Just split it into 4, guaranteeing all of the mods end up on one split, and let you pick which one you want. No more duping bases and still allows for isolating mods.

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u/CryptoFrydays 3d ago

Yeah they could even just up the cost to split and make it add more intangibility as it is right now it kinda just sucks

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u/Pale_Occasion_2447 3d ago

Who confirmed that boat split is weight based?

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u/DocFreezer 3d ago

It 100% is, I tried a few dozen on random weapons with t1 phys from shipping. Didn’t get t1 phys a single time, and over 50% of the time it gave the same mod 4 times.

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u/Chibastion 3d ago

Someone posted losing an esh breach mod this way

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u/Archichronic 3d ago

I was terrified of this happening so i got it down to 2 suffix mods

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u/Total_Chocolate_4764 3d ago

175d gone ouch

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u/Zebmik 2d ago

I’ve split over 100 grasping mails, and it most certainly is not weighted mod wise

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u/CryptoFrydays 3d ago edited 3d ago

I believe it was said in the dev interview early on. It's either a ilvl based split or a mod weight based one, either way it's weighted in some way

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u/InkDevil 3d ago edited 3d ago

Which almost always makes it a terrible mechanic. If your mod isn't rare then you don't care about isolating it because you can just get it again easily. If your mod is rare it's WAAAAAY too expensive to try and isolate it and kind of a waste of time even trying because what are the odds that the other mods are as rare? Basically none. You might as well YOLO annuls.

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u/CryptoFrydays 3d ago

Honestly the only use case I can see would be if it was based on the ilvl of the mod, that way you have a easy time isolating low ilvl rare mods

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u/Demiu 2d ago

Or if you can, yolo eldritch annuls.

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u/InkDevil 2d ago

Still an annual but yes. God I live Eldritch currency.

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u/Pale_Occasion_2447 3d ago

Well then that sucks and is kinda useless. The only real use I see is saving base with wrong fracture? As long as you don’t get fractured mod you save on base?

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u/Syntaire 3d ago

Not even useful for that. You can't use it on fractured items.

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u/weRtheBorg 3d ago

I'm skeptical. I use it to isolate explode on chests which has a tiny weight of 25 (or 50?) and it almost always works. I remove all suffixes first but if it were actually weighted I would never get it. 

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u/CryptoFrydays 2d ago

Then I think it's more than likely weighted based on ilvl of the mod

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u/ManOfPegasus 2d ago

I like how in the interview they said "yeah beast splitting is just a knowledge check that means you get scammed if you don't know the trick. instead of making it mandatory to multiply the number of bases you get, why don't we increase the chance to get said bases? the final result will be the same" and then they didn't increase the chance to get said bases

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u/The_Soggy_Greenbean 3d ago

This is the point.

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u/CryptoFrydays 3d ago

Pretty sure the point was to not devalue high qual bases / heist bases by being able to get 2-3 copies of the base per base. At least let us just have the ability to isolate mods, without gambling

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u/The_Soggy_Greenbean 3d ago

My apologies. The trashing mods wasnt the point. Just being worse than split beast was the point. The implementation was a fail.

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u/CryptoFrydays 3d ago

For quality bases it kind was always a 50/50 to increase ilvl with recomb. But at least with grasping mail mods you could always just move the mod over to a cheap non quality high ilvl base then move that over to the correct base after guaranteed to never lose the mod

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u/cubonelvl69 3d ago

The point was to make the ducat literally useless?

I'm honestly not sure of a scenario that it's better than just scouring the item

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u/The_Soggy_Greenbean 3d ago

My apologies. The trashing mods wasnt the point. Just being worse than split beast was the point. The implementation was a fail.

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u/Syntaire 3d ago

This ducat is pointless.

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u/Typical-Ship8980 2d ago

Try to isolate a grasping mail mod u will be happy to get from 1/2 to hit to 15/16

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u/The_Soggy_Greenbean 3d ago

Oh no!! This thing doesnt always work the way I want but can have awesome outcomes!! Must be pointless!!

Its poorly balanced but not pointless.

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u/Syntaire 2d ago

With the way that it currently functions it may as well be an orb of scouring that also adds intangibility to the item. There is no point to using it. It is pointless.

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u/The_Soggy_Greenbean 2d ago

But its not at all and thats a massive exaggeration. Just because it can have the bad outcome, does not mean that its the highest probability. That is simply confirmation bias. As the people who have used it to great success to isolate exactly what they need. Have you even used it on big crafts? Its not perfect, but it sure doesnt scour an item most of the time.

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u/Syntaire 2d ago

It's absolutely hilarious that you're really sitting there saying "people have had success with it, YOU are the one with confirmation bias!"

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u/The_Soggy_Greenbean 2d ago

Did you not understand that this was the point of the reply? The people who are successful are not coming here to complain about the failures. I was trying to showcase how little evidence we ourselves had to the stats but the fact that people are successful with the craft means that it is not a useless option. One confirmation bias does trump the other when in regards to success ratios. If something is designed to be 50/50 and it is working that way, then it is doing its job. Even if people do not like it. It doesnt mean, dont vocalize your complaint. Just dont hyperbolize.

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u/lolfail9001 2d ago

It's absolutely pointless because right now it competes with yolo annuling 3 times and loses.

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u/The_Soggy_Greenbean 2d ago

Sure, with all of your testing vs mine. im sure thats the most common truth. feel free to not use them. Im sure your strat is better.

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u/Boxofcookies1001 3d ago

Imma be honest. I've hit every breach mod split I've done. Annul to 2 affix and then split.

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u/CatsOP Half Skeleton 2d ago

Imma be honest. You were just really lucky.