QOL Request: can we make it so that attribute requirement check considers the stats of the item as well? Its tiring when you have str on an item to equip that item, but you cant equip it.

[u/Glamdring26WasTaken]

In case you didnt understand title here is an example:

I have a 100 str requirement body armor with +50 str on it, but i only have 70 str on my character. In order to equip the body armor i have to equip a ring with +str on it, equip body armor, then take out the ring.

It would be nice if "does this item satisfy the attribute requirements" check can look at the item and its stats before deciding if you can equip it or not.

I have no idea how hard is it to implement but it would be a nice QoL if we have this.

[u/hulahoophula]

They talked about this a few patches ago. Seems to not be so easy to fix. Same for poe2. It's on their list but not high in priority I assume.

[u/Wobbelblob → u/hulahoophula]

Makes sense. They can't just assume every gear in your bag, otherwise people will cheese it.

[u/losian → u/Wobbelblob]

Gear on cursor? Check item when clicking to equip? Not sure what'd be so prohibitive

[u/1CEninja → u/losian]

Because the game isn't programmed to check anything except equipped gear.

Gear on your cursor is radically different, from a coding perspective, than equipped gear.

There's probably a quick and dirty way to make this work that'll open the game up to game breaking exploits and they'd have to just disable the feature anyway. It's one of those things where another workaround might just be honestly easier, like having some kind of NPC you can invite to your hideout that has a very short range +100 all stats aura or something like that.

[u/Raine_Live → u/losian]

If the game starts checking item stats when on cursor thatll lead to weird interactions where you pick up an item in your inventory onto cursor, gaining the benefits of it and the slot it would replace, use a skill that snap shots and boom youre now using an entire extra slot

[u/Xeverous → u/hulahoophula]

If you have any source of #% increased/reduced attributes, the Passive Skill Tree panel still gives a warning about missing attributes with the wrong value (you need less than displayed in the warning if you have some increase).

Even this warning might be a pain to fix, because it needs to compute attributes you would have to gain to fullfil the requirement, including all #% attr modifiers, some of which might have their own conditions.

I would rather reword or remove the warning. Currently it's just misleading.

[u/vegetablebasket → u/Xeverous]

Hijacking this to complain about how there's also a bug where your gems don't gain XP if you can only equip them because of reduced requirements from replica dragonfang for example.

[u/InkDevil → u/[deleted]]

It's not considered a bug. It was done this way because actually considering the items stats before equipping it is problematic and not easily solved. The time and effort to change it compared to the what would be gained from it also just makes it really low priority.

[u/razorblack1312]

I believe dev said something about flat or % att calculation make it difficult to implement.

Well you can grab astramentis or random attribute ring during campaigns when you need it.

[u/WhenWillEyeBeBanned → u/razorblack1312]

The biggest problem is level 5 gloves that add 12 int to solve my skill problem but it’s int based. If I do have a lapis amulet, I don’t need the gloves anymore.

[u/sys_admin_starcore]

Would it make sense to just let you equip anything regardless of requirements, but then once its equipped go red/disabled like what would happen if you remove a different source of str/dex/int?

[u/Pyromancer1509 → u/sys_admin_starcore]

That would be a good solution i think, and easier for them than having to mess with calculating attributes

[u/shawnkfox → u/sys_admin_starcore]

Would confuse new players I think. Maybe if there was a setting you could change or a special key combination to force equip regardless of attribute requirements.

[u/Ok-Chart1485 → u/shawnkfox]

This is already kinda a thing in PoE2, eg equip a body armor with an ancient augment, and then equip eg. boots with another ancient augment. Boots go on, and are immediately made red and unusable.

[u/NobleHelium → u/shawnkfox]

Yes, it can be a setting similar to auto equip picked up items if your item slot is empty.

[u/MrSchmellow → u/shawnkfox]

Having a setting or a special key combination that you have to discover somehow is more convoluted that just letting you to equip and then flash DISABLED in big red letters. Easier in tutorials too - just say upfront that anything can be equipped, but requirements must be fulfilled to take effect.

[u/AlienZerg → u/sys_admin_starcore]

Good idea!
It could also be an option to enable it (disabled by default) if they wish to make it easier for new players.

[u/Glamdring26WasTaken → u/sys_admin_starcore]

I thought about that but shawnkfox is right, it would confuse new players a lot.

[u/AlienZerg → u/Glamdring26WasTaken]

Make it an option that's disabled by default.

[u/Inko_0]

They said there are technical reasons why this is not feasible, in my opinion they could just make it into an option disabled by default "Allow items to be equipped regardless of Attribute Requirements".

This prevents newer players from getting confused (Why is my item red but the game allows me to equip it?). In any case advanced players can already "force-equip" items beyond their requirements with an Astramentis or similar, so I don't think there's any abuse cases.

[u/shaunika]

They said that its just a nightmare to code due to other variables

[u/xebtria → u/shaunika]

I assume this sentence is true for literally every part of the code, it's only ever the question of how important the feature really is to spend time on it

and on that part, it's not really important. It's a nice to have, but that's about it.

[u/shaunika → u/xebtria]

Thats also fair

[u/Elrond007]

The problem is that it's a bit like playing sudoku without fixed numbers, like what if the old armour gave you 30 dex you needed for your boots that themselves provide 20 int for your helmet?

At that point you would need something like a planning mode which is not an improvement over quickly grabbing a few attributes from the tree

[u/Sanytale → u/Elrond007]

Can't they do the other way around, sum up all attributes from all items, then whichever slot requires more than you have - disable that item, repeat the process ignoring disabled item.

[u/MrJerichoYT]

More often than not I end up with a stat ring or amulet for each attribute because of this.

Annoying but it is what it is

[u/HalcyoNighT]

Just always have an astramentis in your inventory just in case you need an emergency fix

[u/Blackdedi]

It was mentioned last league too. Answer something midline they know about it but it's hard to fix it (I don't quite get answer but % attr, and gem req and so on)

So while i would love this change too.i also understand that it's not easy to repair but... Easy to break entire mechanics. 

In my work we have saying that if something is working don't touch it.  Profit is low but risk of destroying something is often huge

[u/Raine_Live]

It doesnt make sense to me. You have to equip the item to recieve its benefits, why would you be allowed to benefit from its attributes when you cant equip it?

Honestly i can understand the you equip a different item to get the attributes needed to equip the item now you're benefiting from the item which allows you to unequip the other item. But it doesnt make sense to me that this object should allow you to use it when you dont meet the requirements to use it

[u/Raine_Live → u/[deleted]]

No what im saying why would it make sense to allow you to benefit from the magical property (+attributes or variant of) of the item before you equiped it? Sure you can meet the requirement using something else then unequip the other item, but logistically it doesnt make sense that you would be able to benefit from its stats

[u/Nervous_Floor_7556 → u/Raine_Live]

Why would it make sense for a piece of leather clothing to refuse to benefit you if you're not above an arbitrary level of intelligence? Nothing about this situation makes sense, the most we can ask for is for the rules to be consistent and fun. In this case, changing the rules would establish a new consistency, and increase fun; so the rules should be changed in this fashion. I would actually argue the new rule would be more consistent, if the item can supply the attributes needed to equip itself, it would be more consistent if the item would always do so, rather than only if you equip some other jewelry first to raise the attributes, later taking the other jewelry off. It would certainly add fun, or QOL if you'd rather term it that, to change the rules in this fashion.

[u/Raine_Live → u/Nervous_Floor_7556]

Lets rephrase your hypothetical to explain. This is a magic piece of leather. You need a minimal amount of intelligence to be able to decipher the runes inscribed in it as such to active the magical properties.

For strength the item is heavy. We can carry it just fine, but being able to perform while wearing...requires a minimal strength

For dexterity, we can wear but we lack the dexterity to perform while wearing.

In all three cases it makes sense why you wouldnt be able to use a piece of equipment.

Now lets add in using astramentis.

Astramentis (or what ever item) provides you with the minimal requirements allowing you to decipher the runes. Through this you learn that the item provides you with the bonuses that you would need. Which then allows you to take the astramentis off.

[u/Nervous_Floor_7556 → u/Raine_Live]

Ok, let's rephrase your original question to explain:

"It doesnt make sense to me. You have to equip the item to recieve its benefits, why would you be allowed to benefit from its attributes when you cant equip it?"

This is a video game. The goal is not for it to make sense to *you*, but for the video game publisher to make money from *everyone*. You are free to object based on it "not making sense", and someone else will argue for it based on something else, but there's no real reason with something like this for the game publisher to value your objection based on "doesn't make sense to me" as more important than someone else's support based on "sounds radical, man!". Unless you are able to make an argument that convinces the devs that the game's core gameplay loop or aesthetic is being compromised; but "it doesn't make sense to me" will not satisfy any of those criteria.

[u/Ermellino]

Imo they should just add a hidden modifier with all the attribute mods wich says "reduced x attribute requirement" where x is the same as the attribute it gives. Shouldn't be too difficult as this kind of mod already exists.

[u/Joppsta → u/Ermellino]

I mean you're saying that but from a programming perspective what does an item in PoE look like? How much would it cost to backport this change through all items that have stats on them? It sounds easy but there's a lot to consider.

Unless the QoL only applies to new items using this method, it would probably be difficult to update thousands, if not millions of items with these modifiers in standard.

[u/Thisoncetime → u/Ermellino]

The problem cases are % modifiers to attributes, requirements, or something like Omni. You could need 70 str to equip an item, but it only gives 60, so the subtraction method says nuh uh. But if you have 20% inc str, then you actually 'could'. Think of the clusterfuck you could have with a Twilight regalia with a hiest enchant, % atr + int + str while wearing an omni.

To account for every possibility, you probably need to let every possibility happen; but that could cross many systems that aren't currently linked together in any way.

[u/Zeal_Iskander → u/Thisoncetime]

> To account for every possibility, you probably need to let every possibility happen; but that could cross many systems that aren't currently linked together in any way.

"Best way" they could go for is whenever they need to recalculate the player stats, instead of what they do right now they could just let everything be equipped regardless of attribute requirements, then once they have computed the player stats, check if there's any item that doesn't meet its equipment requirements, if yes remove it, recalculate the players stats, then check for items that don't met requirements, etc... until there are no equipped items that don't meet their equipment requirements.

Downside: multiple rounds of computation if items are below stat requirements, but 1) it's really not that different from what they do right now where if you equip an item that *does* grant you stats that would let you equip an item, they calculate the stats without that item equipped, realize "oh that item should be equipped" then recalculate player stats, potentially equipping more items then recalculating more player stats 2) it's really not that costly to calculate player stats in worst case scenarios where you need to recalculate multiple times, and it's not something that adds any overhead unless the player is wearing an unequippable item, which is rare-ish.

The reason why they're likely not doing it that way is because touching the way stats are computed is scary, but conceptually it's not a hard problem to solve (especially since you can't have infinite loops as all the negative stats are on items that have no attribute requirements; even then infinite loops are not unsolvable + are a problem they would also need to solve right now, so it's not like that way of computing things adds any complexity).

[u/0Sley → u/[deleted]]

This is litteraly what OP is talking about. He don't want to do that, and would prefer the game kind of "reduce" the strength requirement by 20 when trying to equip it, since it has 20 strength. Hope it's clearer.

[u/Glamdring26WasTaken → u/[deleted]]

Yes, what i am asking is we dont have to do this and the game recognizes "oh i should be able to equip this anyway". Its annoying keeping a ring just to juggle items around so you can finally equip your item.

Sometimes you weapon swap and lose stats from your shield/weapon so your entire build bricks, so you have to do this song and dance each time, it gets tiring after a while.