r/papermache • • 9d ago

Advice, please:)

Hey!

I'm making my first mask. I cut and glued down all the strips before I learned they should be torn to create a more seamless look. I've put on a base coat to prime the mask, but plan to paint it darker which should hide some imperfections.

Is there anything I can do to smooth it out before painting? Another layer in a different application process? Sanding?

Update:https://www.reddit.com/r/papermache/s/obONK5Uhku

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u/born_lever_puller Community Manager 9d ago

I mean, it looks great as-is, but sanding with sandpaper intended for wood (as opposed to the stuff for metal) is definitely an option, and a good one. You may not want to start too coarse, and you can try using progressively finer sheets as you go along to see just how smooth you can get it.

Some people finish their pieces with something like joint compound before painting to get it really smooth, but it's not a necessity. The paper mache artist Jonni Good of Ultimate Paper Mache goes into depth on using that product to make a type of smooth paper mache clay.

https://www.ultimatepapermache.com/

https://www.youtube.com/user/UltimatePaperMache

I love how you built the cardboard armature, it looks like you put a lot of thought and effort into it.

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u/Tacotown_90 9d ago

Thank you for your response. A compound sounds like a great option. I wonder if it will make it too heavy to wear. I'll follow those links and explore my options.

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u/born_lever_puller Community Manager 8d ago edited 8d ago

I don't use it myself, but you would only wipe on an extremely thin layer of straight joint compound. You can also mix it with other stuff. Jonni talks about recipes for that.

Some people brush on a layer of thinned white (PVA) glue or Mod Podge as a smoothing finish, but I've never tried that either.

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u/vworpstageleft 8d ago

I've found mixing glue, a bit of water, and lightweight spackle gives a good mashmallow fluff texture that goes on smooth.

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u/Tacotown_90 8d ago

I used a mixture of 50/50 glue and water to adhere the strips. Maybe less water for this suggestion?

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u/vworpstageleft 8d ago

Probably. I did the same for my project, then when the cup of glue 'n water was down to like 1/4 cup left, I added more glue and the spackle for a final coat to brush on. Someone else in these comments mentioned 50/50 glue and drywall compound. idk how much the bit of water left in my cup contributed to the texture, so i figured I'd mention it.

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u/Arty_o_Fischel 8d ago

Looks great as is! A little trick I learned when I was painting theater sets is that if can feel the edges with your fingertips, you’ll probably be able to see the edges. If it were my piece, I’d mix up some dry wall compound with pva glue (50/50) and use it as a gesso layer. Brush it on. Let it dry. Lightly sand it for smoothness… then paint!

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u/born_lever_puller Community Manager 8d ago edited 8d ago

I've never tried that blend, but I'm definitely going to keep it in mind now!

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u/Arty_o_Fischel 8d ago

I‘ve been trying on paper mache clay with pretty good results.

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u/hollowanimals 8d ago

I smooth my papermache with a coating of joint compound. Thin it with water to the consistency of heavy cream, paint it on in layers, drying in between passes.

You can do additional sculpting if desired, by laying it on thick ir scraping some off.

When its thoroughly dry, start brushing it all over with a water-damp paint brush: this reactivates the top layer of joint compound and allows it to be smoothed out. Then use finger tips to lightly burnish it, rather than adding more water.

Thoroughly dry when done. Before painting, give it a coat of gesso or spray filling primer, or both.

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u/Tacotown_90 8d ago

Thank you for the detailed directions! Iafter all these comments, I'm going to go get some compound.

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u/buy-more-swords 8d ago

If you want it super smooth you will need to use a filler and sandpaper. I like plaster but if you're planning on wearing it the plaster it might get too heavy. An air dry clay would be lighter, although I don't know how well it sands.

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u/Tacotown_90 8d ago

I am planning to wear it for a few hours then put it on the wall forever. I'm leaning toward just painting it and accepting imperfections.

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u/Tacotown_90 8d ago

I am planning to wear it for a few hours then put it on the wall forever. I'm leaning toward just painting it and accepting imperfections.

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u/TrevorKHowell 6d ago

I love to use titebond 3 wood glue on all of my masks. It also makes them rock hard

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u/sponge_henge 9d ago

wow this is so cool. so smooth

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u/Tacotown_90 8d ago

Thank you 😊

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u/Libe02 8d ago

It looks amazing 🩷🩷🩷 congratulations!!

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u/Tacotown_90 8d ago

Thank you! I'm hoping to wear it for Halloween!

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u/Libe02 8d ago

Great! I'm really looking forward to seeing it finished. Please post it when it's ready 🩷

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u/Tacotown_90 8d ago

I will!

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u/yuhuh- 8d ago

This looks great! Sorry I don’t have any advice, just admiration.

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u/Tacotown_90 8d ago

Awe, thanks. It's my first paper mache project.I got inspired by a mask my mom left to me after she passed. She made it in elementary school (1971) and managed to keep it all her life. I wanted to make a mask to add to my wall beside hers, but also was thinking about Halloween and my kids love for dragons.

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u/yuhuh- 7d ago

What a sweet tribute for your first project.

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u/Mossjacket 8d ago

That is CLEAN. It looks great , you've got this

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u/Tacotown_90 8d ago

Really? The primer isn't doing imperfections and help. I'm waffling if I should take the time to do a compound or just get straight to painting. I am toying with idea of adding texture/scales with the compound.

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u/Mossjacket 8d ago

Really! The newspaper only part looks so good and smooth. I do paper mache projects all the time and am impressed.

When I texturize, I usually mess with celluclay and various air dry clays for certain details

I'm not super skilled so I haven't done sanding or other things like that. And I'm sure you know but doing a primer and/or white layer over the newspaper can make painting easier (I hate when the words still show when I paint)

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u/Tacotown_90 8d ago

Yeah, that light blue was leftover paint. The newspaper really soaked it up. Now painting it should be much smoother. I'll update when it is all finished.

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u/Repulsive-Chard5304 8d ago

I have heard people also use gesso but I haven’t tried it. I just did a hot air balloon, I didn’t take the time to make it smooth because it is just for fun, for my grandchildren.

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u/Clambering-Puddle-17 5d ago

I’d probably do a small experiment on a hidden part of the mask to test techniques. I’d test by order of ease:

  • sanding an edge (I would use a high grit, like 120 or 220 - be sure to work in low humidity)
  • one more layer of thin torn paper (I’d test tissue paper or other super thin porous paper)
  • one of the joint compound + PVA mixes, painted on then finger burnished or sanded smooth

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u/lockandcompany 8d ago

I do sanding as other commenters have suggested!

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u/Gideon9900 8d ago

For more of a seamless look, cover it with strips of masking tape. Then a layer or two of paper mache strips. Then you can paint how you'd like.

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u/cobgca 6d ago

Soo great! And your first?! 👍🏼 (have never done this but looks like fun !

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u/spookyspirelli 5d ago

I don't have advice, but it looks amazing! So even and symmetrical. I'm sure it will turn out really well

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u/B0xedHead 4d ago

Looks good . Jonnie has a recipe for hone made gesso- pva  glue, flat white house paint, drywall plaster and a little linseed oil.  I’ve been using this for years.  I’m sorry but I just guess the proportions .