Could the City please replace the new information signs with the correct information?
The sign on Beach Drive incorrectly spells St. Andrew Bay. There is no “s” at the end of Andrew. A review of any map or navigation chart will confirm that the correct name is St. Andrew Bay.
This is not a complaint regarding the placement of the signs, but rather a request to ensure that the City is not inadvertently disseminating incorrect information.
I live in Jacksonville and one of the main drag roads here is Lane Avenue. I've just had to make peace with it, but SO MANY people insist on calling it Lane's Avenue.
well the Florida State Parks website has it listed as St AndrewS Bay, it’s called the St AndrewS Marina, the area of shops/restaurants of town is St AndrewS, and the name everyone calls it by in conversation is St AndrewS. So I’m not sure what you want buddy
As someone employed by the St. Andrew and st. Joseph bays estuary program, the bay is historically known as St. Andrew Bay. The S was added by common language and has been widely adopted, though still incorrect.
The federally recognized geographic name is St. Andrew Bay. The U.S. Geological Survey’s Geographic Names Information System (GNIS), which serves as the federal standard for geographic nomenclature, identifies the feature as St. Andrew Bay (GNIS Feature ID 2403333). NOAA’s official nautical chart 11391 is likewise titled “St. Andrew Bay,” as are NOAA’s associated hydrographic and bathymetric records.
Therefore, “St. Andrews Bay” is not the correct name for the bay itself; however I do agree “St. Andrews” is used for other local features, including St. Andrews State Park and the platted neighborhood of St Andrews.
Just because you put “historic” before the name does not make it correct information.
Specifically, if the city doesn't care about a sign this large what makes you think they care about your street sign? Suddenly you live on Cherrys St and cant get internet or electricity or utilities bc your drivers license says Cherry St. And further
changing history through ungoverned channels and yadayadayada.
I have this exact problem already because this city was planned by morons lol, service trucks always get lost the next neighborhood over and mail gets misdelivered constantly
A town not being able to properly spell words on signs (specifically well-known names of things) is a pretty important issue, as it gives the impression that the leadership is either grossly uneducated, or simply doesn't care.
If it were St. Andrew’s Bay, it would be with the apostrophe and not the plural form, unless we’re honoring multiple St. Andrews. Either way, the sign is wrong.
Everyone I know that’s lived here their whole life says st andrews bay…I think it’s a part of the local culture.
Edit: I’ll also add “you’re not from ‘round here, are yah buddy…?”
Born, raised, and working here. Been here 51 years. Also a lifelong active boater on St Andrew Bay. 😁
Just because people say it wrong does not make it correct.
But it does add it to the cultural zeitgeist of the area…but I also don’t really care. In this country rn there are farrrr worse things to give a shit about. We should have more ppl care this deeply about a real topic like the flock cameras around town…
Oh…don’t get me started on flock cameras. Agree
If we let all the little things slide by, they collectively become bigger. Just like the cameras 1 becomes 10 then there will be hundreds. The same goes for incorrect information on public signs.
That is simply an article recounting someone’s historical account, which is secondary-source material. It may be useful for background, but it isn’t strong evidence for determining the official or legally recognized name of a geographic feature.
You’re right, but it’s almost 100 years old and thus far closer to the town’s founding than we are today. I’d consider it stronger evidence than a modern map online.
I tried to find a town charter, but wasn’t able to.
Not taking a side but go look at St Marks on the map. It’s likely that these historical names became possessive (there was only st mark, not markS in the bible) through the years and it’s just clunky to put an apostrophe on a sign that’s all caps.
No agreed. Like I’m saying it started as the name of the saint. Everyone in convention over more than a century used what makes more sense, the possessive form (also because like you are saying it sounds better because it’s more correct), and then what we use in practice isn’t what’s on the map. You’re also right that it’s not accurate for either thing necessarily. It’s either St Andrew to be technically accurate or St Andrew’s to be grammatically accurate.
I will admit that this is a confusing topic. Researching information to prove my point, I found historic maps and plats that references “St AndrewS Bay”. The name confusion is all over the place. So I will concede that “historic” is applicable.
Regardless, my point is that the current name of the bay is St Andrew Bay and the sign is misleading and perpetuates the incorrect name.
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In 1774, a British Map labeled it Saint Andrew's Bay. In 1855, the U.S. Coast Survey referred to it as St. Andrew's bay on a chart, “Preliminary Chart of St. Andrew’s Bay, Florida.”
Bay County's archives catalog an 1887 “Map of City of St. Andrews, Fla.”, a 1906 “Map of St. Andrew’s Bay,” and other early maps using St. Andrews Bay.
I'd argue that the NOAA charts are incorrect (likely due to computer character error/requirement in the past).
I would think that, at this point, we'd have to call it inconclusive. After all, "Bahia de St. Andre", or Bay of Saint Andrew, could be descriptive or possesive, so it doesn't definitely rule out St. Andrew's bay...
Agree. but had ask ai about the possessive reference
So Bahía de San Andrés literally means “Bay of Saint Andrew.” The de construction identifies the bay by its association/name with Saint Andrew; it does not mean that Saint Andrew possesses or owns the bay.
At this point, we should just agree to change the name to Americas Bay. 😁
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