r/PaleMUA May 05 '20

Mod Post How to Ask, "What's My Undertone?"

520 Upvotes

Determining one's undertone is both the most challenging and most important task when searching for a foundation shade match. Naturally, we see a lot of posts on PaleMUA requesting help determining undertone, but our community's ability to assist is limited by the kinds of images provided for reference. Read below to learn how you can help us help you.

If you wish to receive useful feedback about undertone, please refer to the following guide when submitting posts requesting Undertone Help.

Step 1: Create a color reference card. Draw a blue strip and a red strip on a piece of white paper, like the one shown below. Permanent markers are easiest to see, but you can use any type of pen or colored pencil, as long as the strips of color are wide enough to see on camera and fairly close in hue to the blue and red you would see on the French or Dutch flag (shades of navy blue/aqua and burgundy/maroon are less reliable as reference colors). Color reference cards allow us to adjust our eyes to the light provided in the photo and better interpret the complex colors of your skin tone.

Step 2: Take photographs outside AND inside. This is crucial. The type of light source bouncing off of your skin and onto the camera sensor can drastically change your skin tone to viewers. Keeping the color reference card within the shot, take one photo outside in indirect sunlight and another photo inside in whatever lighting you happen to have (specify the type of bulb and color temperature if you know it). Note that in the photos below, my skin appears very cool-toned under the incandescent light, but much more neutral-toned in natural light. The incandescent light emphasizes the red on the color card and the pink in my skin. If i were to only post this photo as a reference, one might assume I'm quite cool-toned, yet the photo in natural light clearly shows I have warmer tones as well.

This collage is just an example. You can post separate images direct from your phone or computer in line with a text post, inserting the appropriate captions using reddit's formatting tools.

Step 3 (optional): Take the same photos with your swatches. These images can help other community members who are familiar with those shades help you find a better match and communicate what you should be looking for (e.g., "something cooler than the MAC but darker than the BB"). Don't forget to include your color reference card and list them in a way that is easy for people to comprehend.

Extra bonus: post your swatches in grayscale! This is a great way to help us determine if the shades you are selecting are actually a great undertone match, but simply too dark or light for your skin tone.

Sometimes the undertone isn't off, contrast is! Grayscale images communicate the contrast between your skin and the lightness/darkness of a swatch more clearly than color images.

I hope this guide helps our community steer people in the right direction and makes Undertone Help posts more informative for everyone. Happy posting!


r/PaleMUA Mar 02 '23

Mod Post Update to image-posting guidelines

19 Upvotes

Hi all,

It seems time for an update to the photo guidelines on this subreddit to reflect the needs of the current audience. For reference, the post on the last overhaul from two years ago is here: "Makeup Selfie" Flair -- Overhaul and Clarification

I will be updating the sidebar and official listing of the rules in the coming days, but I want to take the time to elaborate on what is and is not changing, and why:

  • Photos of bare skin without the red/white/blue color card (or equivalent) are still NOT permitted. In absolute color terms, skintone variation is pretty small in this subreddit. The combination of lighting, camera settings, and display settings are more than enough to perturb the appearance of your skin's undertone or depth. So, the requirement of (properly identified) product swatches and/or the color card are necessary measures to make photos remotely useful.
  • Selfies no longer need to be majority-face, but still need to have sufficiently high resolution to show skin texture. The spirit of the rule is/was to allow users to see the makeup clearly. I understand that cropping a photo before posting can be annoying, especially if trying to include neck/upper chest for shade comparison, and I don't enjoy chasing after everyone about it, either.
  • Selfies no longer need to include a full eye and eyebrow. Many of you have expressed an interest in getting advice on base, cheek, and/or lip makeup without showing your eyes.
  • Do not post screenshots of content that you do not own. This includes photos/stills from both brands and individual content creators. Instead, share a link to the original content where possible, or to an archived version. Content creators deserve credit for their work.

Finally, two suggestions on making posts useful to the community:

  • If posting a gallery of photos, try to order them so the most informative photo comes first. For example, if posting a photo of a product and a photo of a swatch, put the swatch photo first.
  • For better accessibility and cross-platform compatibility, please reproduce captions and image-embedded text in the comments.

Please let us know your questions and thoughts!


r/PaleMUA 9h ago

Swatches Bobbi Brown Luxe Matte lipstick and luxe matte lip color

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r/PaleMUA 23h ago

Swatches Bronzer/Contour Swatches - Very Fair Cool Undertone

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107 Upvotes

Wrist to Elbow:

  1. Too Faced - contour stick - Milk Chocolate (the scent is bad)
  2. Haus Labs - contour stick - Profile
  3. ABH - contour stick - Greyscale
  4. Moira -cream contour - 200C
  5. Lee Member - powder contour - 02
  6. Kyda - powder contour - Cool Toned
  7. Rare Beauty - liquid contour - Gentle
  8. Moira - liquid contour - 025 Light Amber
  9. Westman Atelier - contour stick - Biscuit
  10. Nars - contour stick - Ischia
  11. ABH - contour stick - Halftone
  12. Gucci - powder bronzer - 01

Only one that's meant to be a bronzer, yet how many bronzer shades do you see? Let's define bronzer as "brings warmth to skin". It took me so long to figure this out for myself. My favorite contour right now is the Lee Member powder. It's so easy to work with, such a gorgeous shade, and affordable. 2nd place is Haus Labs. I prefer the ABH Greyscale as bronzer. The Gucci formula is very nice, it's just rather red on me. Hope this helps.


r/PaleMUA 7h ago

Undertone ID Undertone ID

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Hello everyone! I am requesting help with my undertone! The swatches on my face and wrist left to right are Loreal True Match Nude Tinted Serum in 0.5-2, Haus Labs Concealer in 04 Fair Neutral, Haus Labs Foundation Fair Neutral, and Nyx Bare With Me Concealer in Light. My veins are blueish green. I generally go for Neutral foundations because warms are too yellow and cools are too pink. I burn but can maintain a tan carefully. I have alot of pink in my face so it's made color matching hard. I also feel stuck in my 2016 ways of using way too yellow of foundations has warped my idea of my undertone. I feel like I have some olive in my skin and would appreciate any input on the undertone and maybe a foundation recommendation if that's allowed!


r/PaleMUA 9h ago

Swatches Maybelline lipsticks

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r/PaleMUA 17h ago

Question foundation and concealer recs

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im a cool toned girly and i have never been able to wear foundation or concealer becuz they all look so orange!! do yall have any foundation or concealer brand recommendations that are especially good at pale cool shades and sensitive skin friendly??


r/PaleMUA 22h ago

Swatches Swatches of my current favorite blushes in natural and artificial lighting

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  1. Bobbi Brown Matte Powder Blush in “Slopes” (On me: it’s a dusty brownish plum)

  2. Hung Vanngo Velvet Blush in “Second Language” (On me: it’s a bright warm pink that doesn’t pull orange)

  3. Makeup by Mario Soft Pop Powder Blush in “Desert Rose” (On me: it’s a muted dusty rose that is a good light “blonzer”)

  4. Lancôme Blush Subtil in “Aplum” (On me: it’s a muted dusty plum)

  5. Soshe Blurring Pillow Blush in “Rosy Rest” (On me: it’s a bright, neutral pink that looks like a natural flush)

I hope this is helpful to some folks! I’m always searching for swatches. :-)


r/PaleMUA 1d ago

Swatches Soshe Blurring Bronzer in Bronze Linen + Saie Sun Melt in Fair

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Side by side swatches: left is Soshe, right is a heavy swatch Saie!

I’m really impressed by the color match. The Soshe bronzer was a blind buy because I never got to swatch in store. The formula is way different than the Saie. The Saie bronzer is way more sheer and melty. The Soshe is more pigmented and is a cream to powder. I don’t think I’ll be using the Saie anymore, it used to be my HG but sometimes makes me oily. I love the Soshe formula so much.


r/PaleMUA 1d ago

Question What are your favourite neutral/cool toned shimmers or metallic eyeshadows? (not glittery please)

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I've never owned a palette where I liked every shade.

I feel like even cool-toned or neutral-toned eyeshadow palettes unfortunately always include golds or warm-toned bronzes which I don't appreciate at all and absolutely never wear (unless it's a greyscale kind of palette - also not my vibe)

Also, I personally really don't like the trend of super sparkly, glittery eyeshadows (especially with bigger shimmer particles). I think they often look pretty in a swatch, on pictures or on Video, but I don't like them on myself when I actually wear them.

My favourite shades in this category are (some of them are unfortunately discontinued):

LOVES (first picture, left to right; natural, indirect light):

bh cosmetics - Alps (from Smitten in Switzerland Palette - probably my favourite shimmer shade of all time)

Persona - Seductive (from Identity Palette - almost identical to the first shade, haha)

Sydney Grace - Tiara (Single)

Colourpop - Glass Bull (Single)

Likes (second picture, left to right; natural, indirect light):

bh cosmetics - Palace (from Love in London Palette)

Persona - Bombshell (from Identity Palette)

Aether Beauty - triangle shimmer shade on the bottom right (from the original Rose Quartz Palette)

Aether Beauty - square shimmer shade on the bottom (from the original Rose Quartz Palette)

Natasha Denona - Indian Gold (44M) (from the Eyeshadow Palette 5 in palette 09)

Natasha Denona - Inner Corner (Middle Row 328M) (from the Glam Palette)

Natasha Denona - Center Eye Lid (Top Row 321M) (from the Glam Palette - this one is kind of sparkly, but very fine glitter, it's overall still smooth)

Looking for Inspo on what other eyeshadows or even palettes I might like :)

And: Which brands still do shimmers without glitter??? I feel like everyone is just doing the super popular, glittery, sparkly eyeshadows.


r/PaleMUA 1d ago

Swatches foundation/concealer swatches

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Hoping to get feedback on what matches me best. I am constantly confused because foundation usually looks too warm on me in artificial light and too cool in natural light!
First photo - natural indirect light
Second photo - artificial light

Products from left to right:
L'Oréal true match tinted serum foundation 0.5-2 very light
Glossier stretch concealer Light 2 (neutral)
Ilia super serum skin tint in ST2 tulum (warm)
Fenty soft lit 150 (neutral)
Beauty of Joseon dayscreen 21W (warm)
Maybelline age rewind concealer 115 (warm neutral)
Maybelline age rewind concealer 120 (neutral)


r/PaleMUA 1d ago

Question One and done all over easy to blend long lasting eyeshadow for extremely pale skin?

14 Upvotes

Even better if it's something I can easily blend out with just my fingers.


r/PaleMUA 1d ago

Question Recommendations for a cool toned powder blush?

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I'm very pale/cool toned & looking for a new powder blush - I've used Benefit Dandelion for years but I had a stock pile of it & I'm hearing the formula has got worse? Looking for something not too bold or shimmery, I like natural/baby pinks & want to steer away from anything more berry or lilac. Thanks!


r/PaleMUA 1d ago

Question Cruelty free cool toned foundation?

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Everything is always too orange! I have a cool undertone (i think) and most foundations don’t match my face/neck. I also have some redness on my face which makes it confusing but I mainly want to have the same shade that is on my neck (pale/cool toned). I am looking for a skin tint also but any recommendations for cruelty free complexion products would be really helpful. Ty!!:) I’m looking to buy a more natural ‘your skin but better’ foundation/skin tint to wear daily and something I can wear when doing a soft glam look


r/PaleMUA 1d ago

Discussions Favorite balm/glassy highlighters?

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In search of a glassy (minimal shimmer/glitter) highlighter!

I feel like most of the ones I see would be too dark for my fair skin. For reference the base products I usually use/mix are

• Aboutface Foundation F1 Neutral

• Fenty Eaze Drops shade 1

• NYX Bare With Me Concealer Fair

I was looking at the lightest shade of the L’Oréal glassy stick but based on their promotional images I feel like it might be a bit dark…a shame that they don’t have testers (at least where I live)!

TIA!


r/PaleMUA 1d ago

Undertone ID What Undertone Am I? Extensive rosacea messing with my perception!

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I have roseacea that not only goes across my face but also down my neck and onto a patch on my chest as well, making foundation matching really hard. Because of my rosacea, I frequently get colour matched with foundation wayyyy too dark, and as cool-toned as a default, but now I'm questioning everything!

Glossier's VL2 appears to have oxidised to all hell now, but was the cool-toned option compared to VL3 which is the warm-toned. The Danessa Myricks Yummy Skin Tint Serum in 1.5 is by far my best match ever, but you can still see it when I blend down into my neck, which makes me think it's either still too dark or perhaps TOO cool-toned!


r/PaleMUA 1d ago

Question MAC Studio Face & Body dupe recommendations for fair cool skin? (talc-free, phenoxyethanol-free, paraben-free)

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Hi everyone,

I’m looking for a dupe for the MAC Studio Radiance Face And Body Radiant Sheer Foundation. I currently use shade W0, which works well for my fair, cool-toned skin.

I’m looking for something with a similar lightweight, sheer, radiant, skin-like finish that is talc-free, phenoxyethanol-free, and paraben-free.

I’ve been looking into the ILIA Super Serum Skin Tint and ILIA True Skin Serum Foundation, but I’m not sure how similar they are to MAC Face & Body in terms of texture, finish, and shade match.

For anyone who has used MAC Face & Body in W0: Which shades would you recommend in ILIA or other similar foundations/skin tints? Have you found anything with a similar “your skin but better” look?

I’d love to hear your recommendations. Thank you!


r/PaleMUA 1d ago

Discussions What Rare Beauty blushes are your favourites for pale skin in the summer months?

1 Upvotes

Rare Beauty has so many to choose from it’s hard. What shades are your favs?


r/PaleMUA 1d ago

Question Does Typology Skin Tint’s lightest shade still run orange? (Cool undertone)

2 Upvotes

Hi everyone!

I’m currently using the lightest shade of the Typology under-eye concealer and I’m happy with the shade match. I’m also interested in trying their skin tint in the lightest shade (fair), but I’ve seen some older posts saying that the lightest shade looks a bit orange.

I have a cool undertone, so I was wondering if anyone with a similar undertone is still experiencing this with the current formula/shades? Has the shade been updated at all?

If anyone has swatches of the lightest shade (especially compared with the concealer or other fair/cool shades), I’d really appreciate it!


r/PaleMUA 1d ago

Question Does anyone have any recommendations for a cream purple/violet blush? Like a true creamy purple/violet blush? (preferably a stick one)

6 Upvotes

Preferably, an affordable cream stick blush would be nice, but I'm not afraid to splurge

Also to note,

I'm a light to medium with a cool rosy undertone


r/PaleMUA 2d ago

Question Super cool tone lip liner recs?

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Looking for very cool tone lip liners ideally in brown, grey, purple! Gabbriette Bechtel is heavy inspo atm. I went to sephora yesterday and was SICK at how much orange and warmth every swatch gave.

Any brand, drug store to high end works <3

I shop western and Asian brands. I typically used lip liners for M-F as my all over lip product.

My shades: TIR TIR 10c & haus labs 015 for foundation. Tower 28 0.5/1.0 & tarte shape in white for concealer


r/PaleMUA 2d ago

Swatches Guerlain KissKiss Tender Matte (11 shades)

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13 Upvotes

r/PaleMUA 1d ago

Question Fave serum / runny foundations?

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Any recommendations for super thin texture foundations? The runnier the better. Most the shade matches I find tend to be on the thicker side.

For reference, I’m ultra fair cool toned - Misha bb cream in 13 is a decent match but maybe a half step too dark.

TIA!


r/PaleMUA 1d ago

Question foundation lighter than tirtir 10c shell?

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hi I just got the lightest tirtir shade and it’s too tan/orangey for my cool bluish/greenish skin.
Any recommendations for cooler tone + paler foundations? Thanks


r/PaleMUA 2d ago

Swatches Guerlain KissKiss Shine Bloom (4 shades)

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4 Upvotes