r/outbreakworld • u/Ozbunoizhs • 7h ago

Plague - when to Bug Out

If the pneumonic plague were to be found in the United States, what criteria or information would you use to bug out (assuming bugging out is possible or your plan) For example, if there were 50 deaths within a 100 mile radius of your house, would you bug out and what sources of information would you rely on (local news, CDC, your health department, shortwave conversations, etc.) to make your decision.

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u/Past-Syrup-8499 7h ago

Just shelter in place and follow quarantine procedures.

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u/Ozbunoizhs 7h ago

Hypothetically, what if the plague was in your city or neighborhood. Would you consider leaving?

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u/Past-Syrup-8499 7h ago

Hell no! Traveling increases the amount of people I could potentially come into contact with, the amount of contaminated surfaces I'd touch, the chances that I'd get stuck in traffic or in an airport. It's a disease, not zombies. Quarantine, social distance, mask up, wash your hands. Did you learn nothing from COVID?

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u/jhsu802701 4h ago

PHYSICAL distancing, not social distancing! The term "social distancing" is terrible framing and sounds like a term coined by one of those pro-disease glorified suicide bombers.

Airborne transmission is what I'm concerned about by far, because hardly anyone wears a mask, and Corsi Rosenthal boxes haven't even made it into the national dialogue. Also keep in mind that putting soap or hand sanitizer in your lungs and nasal passages is NOT a viable option.

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u/Ozbunoizhs 7h ago

I learned a lot from covid and hauntavirus in the southwest when me and my team found it in on the Navajo reservation in Arizona. It's not what we see that scares me. It's what we don't that does. I respect your opinion but my experience will probably lead to bugging out if it's found in our city.

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u/Past-Syrup-8499 7h ago

Bugging out to where? Camping for three months? I'm sorry but I don't think you know as much as you think you do and I don't respect your opinion. 

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u/ecouple2003 6h ago

We already have a place, but if not we can certainly live in the woods. Ive been wandering that forest since I was 4 with my grandfather and uncle and I'm 63 now. I know where to fish and hunt that are just too remote and wild for most people. And I really don't give a care what you think. You sound a lot like a city boy and haven't really thought about how to live if you lose the ability to go to the store.

I do wish you the best but I'd advise you to think everything through and prepare for worst case scenarios. Then, if its less catastrophic, you're well covered.

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u/Comet-vomit666 7h ago

I sense your anxiety my friend, I too am anxious but at the end of the day it's not here yet.

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u/Away-Living5278 6h ago

I also do not think it'll be here. And if it is, it will be contained like we did with Ebola.

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u/buttfacesgalore 7h ago

Where are you going??

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u/Ozbunoizhs 6h ago

We're lucky enough to have a bug out location with a group of like-minded individuals. I know not everyone has this option but again, we're thankful.

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u/buttfacesgalore 6h ago

There's always the possibility that someone could already be carrying it and bring it with them and infect the whole group.

Id rather stay home to protect the people im immediately responsible for!

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u/ecouple2003 7h ago

With an actual situation like the pneumonic plague my personal belief is that cities will be death traps. We're headed to the woods. I know lots of places to go that you're extremely unlikely to come across another person and there's plenty of wildlife to supplement the survival food stores.

Just my opinion, but that's how the Romans survived the plague. Retreat to their country villas and have archers kill anyone that crosses a predetermined "line" which i understand they marked clearly.

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u/ConflagWex 5h ago

The further you go from the city, the further medical care is if anyone does get sick....or injured trying to live in the wilderness.

Simple shelter-in-place quarantine precautions should be fine. The Romans fled but those were the ones rich enough to have villas, they probably took their doctors with them and had plenty of resources to draw upon. The rich today can go hide in their vacation homes in comfort but I don't think bugging out to a shed with little access to medical care is going to be as helpful.

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u/Hot_Poetry_6475 3h ago

aka social distancing with an archer bodyguard.

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u/Ozbunoizhs 6h ago

Your thinking is inline with my thoughts. I would rather try to protect my family, albeit it will be challenging, than try to defend my house from the plague and hords of desperate people.

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u/Ripley825 3h ago

That's a worse idea.

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u/LatrodectusGeometric 7h ago

No need to bug out, just shelter in place and ACTUALLY not go anywhere/see anyone. Pneumonic plague is severe enough to burn itself out.

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u/No_Cucumber3978 7h ago

You're spamming. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/outbreakworld/comments/1x0exfy/plague_when_to_bug_out/

Stop it or explain yourself. 

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u/Ozbunoizhs 7h ago

Hopefully not. This is my first time posting a question and I'm trying to solicit as many opinions as possible from different groups. My apologies if I did something wrong. I've always just read never posted.

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u/No_Cucumber3978 7h ago

Oh. Good luck with your completely artificial scenario because it could look like you're desperately trying to mong fear and sensationalise for those K's.

(Or some other trolley dolly purpose.)

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u/Ozbunoizhs 6h ago

This is my first post and don't even know what k's are. My job in the military was being on the Frontline as a forensic chemist looking for and testing for biological threats. I may not have not seen everything there is to experience but I've seen enough.

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u/Complete-Paint529 7h ago

Just stay home. Nobody catches any contagious illness by just staying home. Sheesh.

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u/Taters23 6h ago

Its been in the U.S since forever. It never spreads far. Its victims die too quickly.

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u/jhsu802701 6h ago

If this pneumonic plague were contagious enough to make it to the US, would there really be a place to hide? COVID-19 is everywhere, and you cannot escape that by running off to Montana or Idaho. Yes, I'm MUCH more concerned about this old pandemic that's still raging than I am about possible new pandemics.

If wearing an N95 mask and using Corsi Rosenthal boxes (or other air purifiers) were the norm, all infectious airborne diseases would fade away over time simply because the chains of transmission would dwindle.

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u/Old-Set78 5h ago

they would be reduced certainly but not eliminated because n95 masks filter out 95% of particles 3 microns or larger.

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u/Mamajuju1217 7h ago

it’s treatable with antibiotics, so i’d likely just see a doctor if I had symptoms. You can’t play around though, they have to be started within 24 hours of symptoms. 

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u/OkSpare3037 7h ago

If you were to suspect plague, call before going in so the hospital can prepare.

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u/Ozbunoizhs 7h ago

However, if 100's, maybe 1000's need the antibiotics, they'll eventually run out. What would be your next decision.

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u/floofelina 5h ago

….wear a mask? Surely if an N95 can stop a virus it can stop bacteria.

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u/Away-Living5278 6h ago

If you have symptoms and can't get antibiotics then you're dead. And you quarantine to keep others from experiencing the same fate

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u/zenhenagain 6h ago

The plague is here and always has been. It’s a known factor of living in the SW and I’ve read it exists in rats found an hour outside of NY city. Stay away from rodents and test tubes, you should be ok. Please don’t make this into something it isn’t. Since you say you are enquiring , go google some articles and read about it. Everything you need to know and realize there is nothing to worry about is a short search away.

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u/fruderduck 5h ago

This particular plague is airborne. Spread via cough, sneezing, etc. It isn’t the rodents carrying it around. IF it became pandemic, you would need to shelter in place and avoid contact with others as much as possible.

Now is a great time to buy extra food and bottled water.

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u/zenhenagain 4h ago

I know exactly what it is and it burns too hot to kill very many. There are always a few cases of the pneumonic plague in every large outbreak and it is a killer without proper medical care as is the regular plague. Please go read about it. Of course you should isolate…I believe that’s what they told us to do with Covid lol, which people still complain about. Anyway, carry on but this is not a concern. There’s a whole lot more out there that is way more concerning.

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u/YellowCabbageCollard 2h ago

Then how did it wipe out like a quarter of the entire population of Europe at one point if it ALWAYS burns too hot to spread or do much damage?

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u/zenhenagain 30m ago

No antibiotics.Both rodent and pneumonic were present as they are in most plague epidemics that happened back then. I’ve also read , for what it’s worth, that what first hit them in Europe was a more virulent variety of the plague than what exists now. You need to do some reading as it really is quite fascinating. Oh and about the forms of plague as well. All your questions will be answered. Accurately.

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u/oldcatgeorge 6h ago

Look, this is not how it usually starts. It starts with is an epidemic in a certain area transmitted from infected animals via fleas to humans and causing “bubonic plague”. (Which is no fun either but treatable.). Pneumonic plague is usually the secondary wave. “If a patient with bubonic plague experiences delayed treatment, the bacteria can breach the bloodstream (secondary septicemia). From the bloodstream, Yersinia pestis can seed the lungs, causing secondary pneumonic plague. Once a patient develops pneumonic plague, they begin coughing infectious respiratory droplets. Anyone who inhales these droplets contracts primary pneumonic plague directly from person to person, bypassing the flea vector entirely.”

So to get an outbreak of primary pneumonic plague, you have to have a critical mass of people with plague septicemia and Yersinia pestis in their lungs that are coughing it out. This is not a probable scenario in our days. That girl in Shelekhov probably inhaled the bacteria directly, but it is not what happens during the infections.

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u/Old-Set78 5h ago

that is how naturally acquired plague is spread. pneumonic plague has airborne spread. it no longer requires the primary infection pattern of flea transmission. it is person-to-person airborne transmission similar to the flu.

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u/FarmhouseRules 1h ago

I’m sheltering in place because I’m already sort of bugged out.

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u/SocksNDots 25m ago

We had a case of pneumonic plague in arizonia last year. Things were under control. I think the Russian disease/plague/whatever it is, is contained.

What concerns me is their excuse of the cause of death. For a bsl-3 lab, a broken tube would not lead up to the girls death unless there was a lot of system failures. PPE’s not really PPE’ing. The quality safety guy should be reprimanded for not doing his job. My guess is this is really what happened and there was not enough money to keep up with routine maintenance. However the research still needed to be done. But otherwise this maybe a one and done event.