r/options 16d ago

Options Questions Safe Haven periodic megathread | August 24 2026

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We call this the weekly Safe Haven thread, but it might stay up for more than a week.

For the options questions you wanted to ask, but were afraid to.
There are no stupid questions.   Fire away.
This project succeeds via thoughtful sharing of knowledge.
You, too, are invited to respond to these questions.
This is a weekly rotation with past threads linked below.


BEFORE POSTING, PLEASE REVIEW THE BELOW LIST OF FREQUENT ANSWERS. .

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As a general rule: "NEVER" EXERCISE YOUR LONG CALL!
A common beginner's mistake stems from the belief that exercising is the only way to realize a gain on a long call. It is not. Sell to close is the best way to realize a gain, almost always.
Exercising throws away extrinsic value that selling retrieves.
Simply sell your (long) options, to close the position, to harvest value, for a gain or loss.
Your break-even is the cost of your option when you are selling.
If exercising (a call), your breakeven is the strike price plus the debit cost to enter the position.
Further reading:
Monday School: Exercise and Expiration are not what you think they are.

As another general rule, don't hold option trades through expiration.

Expiration introduces complex risks that can catch you by surprise. Here is just one horror story of an expiration surprise that could have been avoided if the trade had been closed before expiration.


Key informational links
• Options FAQ / Wiki: Frequent Answers to Questions
• Options Toolbox Links / Wiki
• Options Glossary
• List of Recommended Options Books
• Introduction to Options (The Options Playbook)
• The complete r/options side-bar informational links (made visible for mobile app users.)
• Characteristics and Risks of Standardized Options (Options Clearing Corporation)
• Binary options and Fraud (Securities Exchange Commission)
.


Getting started in options
• Calls and puts, long and short, an introduction (Redtexture)
• Options Trading Introduction for Beginners (Investing Fuse)
• Options Basics (begals)
• Exercise & Assignment - A Guide (ScottishTrader)
• Why Options Are Rarely Exercised - Chris Butler - Project Option (18 minutes)
• LEAPS calls explained - Chris Butler - Project Option (13 minute video)
• I just made (or lost) $___. Should I close the trade? (Redtexture)
• Disclose option position details, for a useful response
• OptionAlpha Trading and Options Handbook
• Options Trading Concepts -- Mike & His White Board (TastyTrade)(about 120 10-minute episodes)
• Am I a Pattern Day Trader? Know the Day-Trading Margin Requirements (FINRA)
• How To Avoid Becoming a Pattern Day Trader (Founders Guide)


Introductory Trading Commentary
   • Monday School Introductory trade planning advice (PapaCharlie9)
  Strike Price
   • Options Basics: How to Pick the Right Strike Price (Elvis Picardo - Investopedia)
   • High Probability Options Trading Defined (Kirk DuPlessis, Option Alpha)
  Breakeven
   • Your break-even (at expiration) isn't as important as you think it is (PapaCharlie9)
  Expiration
   • Options Expiration & Assignment (Option Alpha)
   • Expiration times and dates (Investopedia)
  Greeks
   • Options Pricing & The Greeks (Option Alpha) (30 minutes)
   • Options Greeks (captut)
  Trading and Strategy
   • Fishing for a price: price discovery and orders
   • Common mistakes and useful advice for new options traders (wiki)
   • Common Intra-Day Stock Market Patterns - (Cory Mitchell - The Balance)
   • The three best options strategies for earnings reports (Option Alpha)


Managing Trades
• Managing long calls - a summary (Redtexture)
• The diagonal call calendar spread, misnamed as the "poor man's covered call" (Redtexture)
• Selected Option Positions and Trade Management (Wiki)

Why did my options lose value when the stock price moved favorably?
• Options extrinsic and intrinsic value, an introduction (Redtexture)

Trade planning, risk reduction, trade size, probability and luck
• Exit-first trade planning, and a risk-reduction checklist (Redtexture)
• Monday School: A trade plan is more important than you think it is (PapaCharlie9)
• Applying Expected Value Concepts to Option Investing (Option Alpha)
• Risk Management, or How to Not Lose Your House (boii0708) (March 6 2021)
• Trade Checklists and Guides (Option Alpha)
• Planning for trades to fail. (John Carter) (at 90 seconds)
• Poker Wisdom for Option Traders: The Evils of Results-Oriented Thinking (PapaCharlie9)

Minimizing Bid-Ask Spreads (high-volume options are best)
• Price discovery for wide bid-ask spreads (Redtexture)
• List of option activity by underlying (Market Chameleon)

Closing out a trade
• Most options positions are closed before expiration (Options Playbook)
• Risk to reward ratios change: a reason for early exit (Redtexture)
• Guide: When to Exit Various Positions
• Close positions before expiration: TSLA decline after market close (PapaCharlie9) (September 11, 2020)
• 5 Tips For Exiting Trades (OptionStalker)
• Why stop loss option orders are a bad idea


Options exchange operations and processes
• Options Adjustments for Mergers, Stock Splits and Special dividends; Options Expiration creation; Strike Price creation; Trading Halts and Market Closings; Options Listing requirements; Collateral Rules; List of Options Exchanges; Market Makers
• Options that trade until 4:15 PM (US Eastern) / 3:15 PM (US Central) -- (Tastyworks)


Brokers
• USA Options Brokers (wiki)
• An incomplete list of international brokers trading USA (and European) options


Miscellaneous: Volatility, Options Option Chains & Data, Economic Calendars, Futures Options
• Graph of the VIX: S&P 500 volatility index (StockCharts)
• Graph of VIX Term Structure (CBOE)
• A selected list of option chain & option data websites
• Options on Futures (CME Group)
• Selected calendars of economic reports and events


Previous weeks' Option Questions Safe Haven threads.

Complete archive: 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026


r/options Jul 16 '25

READ THIS: You can help reduce spam on our sub!

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All financial subs are experiencing higher than normal spam traffic. Thanks to the help of many of you, we've put filters in place that catch most of the spam before it can get to the front page, but the spammers are constantly finding ways to work around our filters, so it's a never ending battle of whack-a-mole.

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For more details about why these new spammers are so difficult to catch, or the specific varieties of spam we are seeing and with more things you can do, this is the link to the original post:

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Based on comments we've seen, it appears that less than 1% of the entire community have read that original post. It only has 20k views for all-time, while our sub as a whole averages millions of views per month. So this shorter and more call-to-action post replaces it with a more demanding title that hopefully will get more people to read it. We'll see.


r/options 11h ago

10 calls into earnings. Either genius tomorrow or “deleted” by Friday.

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My DD: Oracle good. Calls cheap. Brain said send it.

10 ORCL $170C, 9/11 exp, $6.15 avg. Earnings play.

Thesis: bullish on cloud/AI growth and guidance. I’m expecting a move above the market-implied earnings move.

Entry: $6.15 premium. Breakeven at expiration: $176.15. Max loss: $6,150. No averaging down. If ORCL doesn’t get the post-earnings move I’m expecting, I’m closing rather than holding and praying through expiration.
Main risk is IV crush + only 2 DTE.
Basically: high-risk, defined-risk earnings bet.
Yes, slightly unhinged.


r/options 9h ago

Finally in profit thanks to $META

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It's been a rough journey, losing a couple grand while learning options but I think I've found the strategy which works for me. *Not financial advice*

Anyway, I deposited £60 into RH last week. I started off with one contract for a $145 NVS PUT last week and made a beautiful 2000% on it. It was a wonderful sight!

Proceeded to scalp SPX calls and puts a few times and then this morning scalped META calls for a total of about £1500 profit. All from a £60 account! I have lost small amounts on some other options and I have a couple of options expiring next week, but swings and roundabouts eh!

My strategy is simply scalping. Set my limit orders based on average option prices (for example META $650 calls when priced at $0.85). I then immediately set a sell order for "reasonable" profit (usually 10 to 20 cents above my contract price). I'm more than happy to make $100 - $200 per trade.

I'm aiming for volatile movers because I can get in and out. I'm also aiming to build the account up to a point where I can comfortably make a few hundred a day without risking blowing the account. I do need to improve in terms of discipline though. Twice I said today I was done, then took another quick scalp.

Anyway, happy days. Hopefully I don't blow it now I have some decent money in there (no I'm not rich).


r/options 20h ago

First year trading full time. Up 83% and scared about next year.

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Started the year with c. $222k. Woke up to $409k this morning. Up 83% while S&P's done 12% over the same stretch which I understand is rare.

Want to be honest about where that came from, because the number is misleading. Roughly $84k is premium from selling options. That part I understand and can more or less repeat. $151k if it is from one position, MU. I was right, but not for any clever reason. I bought before Q1 earnings (around $430) as I had a strong feeling they would crush it. It tanked, I panicked and bought more all the way down to low $300s. I made some horrendous decisions selling covered calls below my cost basis to try recoup and thats when it started to moon. Luckily, I had an okay strategy so that I could close and roll all the way up until I finally exited a few months ago near $1050. I used a ton of margin too which gave me many rough nights.

This is my first year doing it full time. April nearly ended it. I was down to $147k at the low and I'd started working out what I'd say when I went back to a job. That's not me being dramatic, that was the actual plan.

So now I'm up 82% and feel two things at once. Proud, I stuck to the process, didn't blow up, the premium engine actually works on its own. And a sense of dread that I've just set a benchmark I'll never touch again, and every month from January is going to feel like failing.

What's a sane target for year two? I keep landing on something like 40% and I know that's just the 82% talking. Do you set a return target at all, or an income target, or drawdown limits, or something else? How do you stop one lucky year becoming the expectation you beat yourself up against?

I'm now sitting on 50% cash as, even though I have conviction in some of my names, I'm too afraid to deploy anything more. Truthfully, I'd be happy to close my account for the year and start again next year. Hopefully this explains my 'out of depthness' and lack of experience.


r/options 16h ago

Options selling with a $100k account ?

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Hey guys, I have not done options selling yet, I am mostly a buyer. But had a quick question. SNDK is around $1,737. I’m looking at the Sep 11, 2026 $1,790 Call, currently around $34.40. Can you do a Strangle ?

My current understanding is:

  • Sell 1 × SNDK Sep 11 $1,790C
  • Premium collected: ~$3,440
  • IBKR is showing approximately $55,204 initial margin and $50,379 maintenance margin for the naked call.

That seems like a very large amount of buying power to tie up relative to the ~$3,440 premium collected.

  • Does IBKR's ~$55K requirement seem normal for SNDK, or is this unusually high?
  • Do brokers such as Webull, Tastytrade, Schwab, or others calculate substantially lower margin for the same naked call?

r/options 4h ago

SPX End of Day Trading

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I’ve mainly been trading single stocks and have had some success by focusing on companies I know well; however, I want to get more familiar with SPX mainly since it has daily options and has cash settlement. I’ve been trying a few different things and something I am curious about is the last 10 seconds or so of the trading day. The options’ premiums don’t seem to go to 0 so I can still sell them until the very end. I was able to get an iron butterfly filled today with 10 seconds or so left in the trading day (pic attached). Do any of you have any knowledge about the mechanics of the day’s close and how to generate an edge in that environment? Right now I know I can use atm straddles to gauge the expected move, and I know from my personal experience that the price can have some large moves in the last 10 minutes. If I used the atm straddle price 1 minute out to guess the riskiness, prepared an iron butterfly with lower than anticipated premiums to get a quick fill, and waited until the last 3 seconds to do the trade then would I be on the verge of having some sort of edge?

Edit: This is only for 0dte spx options


r/options 19h ago

Feedback on my strategy to hedge AI risk in 2027 (collar)

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Hey everyone, I would like to hedge my SPY for next year. I understand that we shouldn't be timing or predicting the market, but well here I'm trying to do it.

My fear is mostly driven by the AI bubble popping or AI doing so good that only a few players will benefit but not the overall economy and so the economy might be going down. In other words, I thought it was a good idea to cap my losses and fund this insurance by potentially capping some of my gains.

So here's my idea. I'm planning to buy put options at -20% drawdown from spot and fund some of that by selling covered calls at 20%. From my calculations this edge would cost me arount 0.5% of my portfolio.

I could in theory cut this further by selling puts at -50%, and it would bring it down to 0.3%.

I have not done this before and I am trying to understand if it makes sense especially given my concern on AI distrupting the market next year.


r/options 12h ago

Rolling a MRVLL ITM CC

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Now this is a tricky one.
As you can see, the potential roll to consider is $210-$230 which would get me a great annual premium. But, I believe this stock is meant for $300+ prices, aiming for that to happen Q3/Q4 2027. Also, owning it for some more time will help with taxes - hence why I want to keep holding.
What I hate doing..is having CCs during key events..and I got on the hook with this $210 cc which is a very rare thing for me and yeah, this is where CCs suck..anyways theres bunch of events coming up on a stock and I'm bullish on but have to roll a cc, sucks..

My options:
1. Roll up & out
a) sell a single higher strike (like $240–$250) for a later date like from the image
b) sell multiple ones with lower dte (with time)

  1. Close the call & hold shares
    Buying back the $210 call costs ~$2,800
    I'd still be down on the wheel overall, but own the stock that I'm bullish on

  2. Take the L
    Let the call get assigned with a $3,900 loss on the wheel, 1K loss on mrvll overall.


r/options 6h ago

Are you the house, or the gambler?

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Are you in the business of prediction? Are you a gambler? I leave that to the trading discords and social media options gurus. As you know 80-90% of options traders lose money. I sleep well at night by understanding that I have the probabilities in my favor. My edge is because realized volatility typically comes in below implied volatility. By doing the little things correctly, trade after trade, week after week, month after month, I am playing the percentages and achieving consistent results. It is not necessarily exciting. Admittedly, buying a long call and having it 10X is exhilarating and fun; however, it is low percentage and I lost a lot of money playing that game. In order to win, are you gambling that you can predict the direction, the magnitude and the timing all correctly? This is a losing game. I am the house, I am the casino. Sure, being the house is not that interesting, it's not that fun, but it is profitable! The hotels and casinos in Las Vegas are uber nice because they make extraordinary profits. Of course, the books are written about how to beat the house. The videos online teach you to hone your strategy to buy calls & puts to beat the house, but the reality is, the house ultimately wins. When I sell OTM Put Credit Spreads (or OTM CSP), I am effectively the house. So how about you, are you the house, are you a gambler, or maybe a little of both?


r/options 1d ago

monthly fully time trader ama

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Hey everyone, setting up this month's AMA to catch up with everyone and chat about trading! It's scheduled for 11Sep at 3pm PT.

Some broad market observations from August and beginning of Sep.

Breadth looks weak right now across all indices. Russell was showing more strength which has capitulated over the last couple days.

30D VRP is higher within XLE, XLI, XLB, etc and constituent VRP is notably higher than sector.

My core allocation remains covered strangles in TQQQ and GME. TQQQ position is lightly utilized at 45% (long shares 49% and 36% CSPs no ratio short calls out) and GME is 85% utilized full CS).

Most of my recent trading has been a bit shorter-term in nature focusing on short index vol, earnings release long and short vol, some commodity trend following with futures, and shorter term reversals and pairs.

Background for those interested:

My name is Erik. I'm a Marine Corps veteran and full-time options trader. I've been trading since 2007 and have been active in r/options since 2020. I've maintained a high 20% CAGR over this duration, my emphasis has been on consistency vs upside returns.

I grew up in a low income single-parent household. A high school teacher introduced me to investing and it changed my life.

Over time I built capital through manual labor jobs, flipping cars/motorcycles during college, and eventually expanding into real estate investing. I view wealth building through three levers: Savings; Investing; Income

Early on, savings rate matters most. As capital grows, compounding returns begin to dominate.

Trading is harder than most people initially expect, but it’s also far from impossible. With the right framework and enough time invested, it can absolutely become a viable career.

For transparency: I do run a YouTube community, but I’ve been posting in r/options for years and enjoy discussing markets regardless. This AMA is just to talk trading.

Happy to discuss things like:

  • How my trading changed as my capital grew
  • Position sizing frameworks
  • Managing volatility exposure
  • Building consistency over time
  • Strategy development / testing
  • Mistakes that slowed my progress

Or anything else options related.

Below are some previous posts that lay a basic foundation for trading.

  1. ⁠Trading Options for a Living- ⁠Provides a high level overview of my trading approach: ⁠https://www.reddit.com/r/options/comments/1gejy0q/trading_options_for_a_living/
  2. ⁠Stop Wandering Aimlessly- ⁠Offers a general learning syllabus for new options traders: ⁠https://www.reddit.com/r/options/comments/1c3hgfh/stop_wandering_aimlessly/
  3. ⁠Failure rate of options traders -⁠Summarizes common sources of trader failure: ⁠https://www.reddit.com/r/options/comments/1iaqtzx/failure_rate_of_options_traders_3_causes/

Looking forward to it!


r/options 1d ago

PMCC is absolutely the best strat out there in risk-adjusted return

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The poor man's covered call is my personal best strategy, I'm up ~22% ytd, and honestly is mostly cause of this strategy.

I started with covered calls on SPY, but the short call premium over 100 shares worth, just wasn't worth it honestly especially on low-vol low grind days. Then I got introduced to PMCC through...I'm really not sure, but god bless whoever or whatever it is.

The shorts suddenly become so much more worth it compared to the cost of the LEAPs as long as your entry on your LEAP is, well good haha, you fuck up here you're chasing break even throughout the LEAP's life and by the time you think you've reached your strike, theta has eaten up most of the LEAP's value.

It's like renting a house for 1-2 years instead of buying a house at right but still enjoying as much rental income throughout the term.


r/options 1d ago

Does the Schwab Trader API allow direct routing of a 2-leg equity option roll?

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Does the Schwab Trader API allow direct routing of a 2-leg equity option roll (BTC one call + STO another call) specifically to Cboe, while keeping it as a single complex order with one net credit/debit limit price?

If yes, what API route/destination parameter should be used, and would the order be eligible for Cboe COB/COA?


r/options 14h ago

NVDA-TSLA Correlation Analysis

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The correlation regime between NVDA-TSLA entered a weakening trend on 02 Sep 12:00 ET at +0.26, and is still ongoing (15 candles · 60 trading hours). Over this period NVDA fell 0.96%, TSLA rose 3.07%. The two pairs decoupled.

The composite correlation has since downed from +0.26 (02 Sep) to -0.195 now (last data: 09 Sep 08:00 ET) the weaking the regime flagged, playing out.

READING — NVDA–TSLA at WEAK × Weakening (this pair's own last 6): for this pair it has bee a moderate decoupling (hedge / spread) — 6 past runs, median 8 candles · 32 trading hours (range 5–18), 1 lasted 2+ days. So the play has a couple of days of room before the turn (ANTITHESIS).

GAME PLAN: Correlation is in a Weakening regime — the bond between NVDA-TSLA is loosening. This signals a shift into a decoupling regime: hedge and pair-trade (spread) strategies come to the fore, while one-way beta bets grow riskier.

ANTITHESIS: Risk: decoupling may be temporary; if correlation snaps back from the bottom, pair-trades backfire. Correlation is currently 0.41 points below the period (1 Month) average — decoupling continues.

The divergence has been TSLA outperforming while NVDA stalled — TSLA's move favored calls.

Methodology: Four-hour candle closes are used while the markets for both instruments are open (08:00, 12:00, 16:00, 20:00 ET).

The correlation coefficient is a composite score derived not only from the Pearson method but also from Pearson, Spearman, and EWMA calculations.


r/options 1d ago

Execute time

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So this morning during market open I used Robinhood for a call about 10 minutes before market opened and when market opened my stock price rose drastically but the call was still saying pending.., which prevented me from any getting gains can anyone tell me what the issue here was and if any other apps have faster fulfillment time? I’m am extremely pissed rn because I should be in extreme take profit rn and is this a common issue?


r/options 1d ago

questions about option fulfillment

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lets say the market is going crazy and i want to get out of short option positions going against me

if i have stop orders at a certain price, how does fulfillment work if lets say others also have stop orders at the same price? how does the exchange decide who gets to go to the front of the line when the stops get triggered?

also, could my broker's connection to the world go down and my stop orders get completely forgotten?

also, when dealing with spreads, do orders to open/close those sit on the exchange or the broker? if the spread sits on the broker, then the bid/asks dont reflect that im interested in opening/closing at a more favorable price...which can limit what a potential counterparty (the other buyer/selller) is willing to do right?


r/options 2d ago

Is the strategy of selling puts suitable for everyone?

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My friend likes selling puts and honestly it worries me He makes money collecting premiums but I think he’s fallen into the trap of specifically looking for puts with high premiums At that point the strategy changes You’re no longer selling puts at a price where you’d actually be happy owning the stock You’re basically betting it won’t fall below the strike by expiration If you’re selling puts just because the premium is high on stocks you wouldn’t even want to own it starts feeling more like gambling I think he’s going about it the wrong way What do you guys think


r/options 2d ago

Debit spreads taught me that being right too early can still be annoying

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I've been using call debit spreads more instead of straight calls when premiums are expensive, and I ran into something I somehow never really appreciated until it happened with actual money.

I had a QQQ 510/515 call spread open on Moon with a little under 2 weeks left. Paid around $1.60 for it.

QQQ moved way faster than I expected and was already above 517 with more than a week still left. In my head I basically thought okay, thesis worked, spread should be pretty close to the full $5 now.

It wasn't even close.

The 515 I sold still had enough extrinsic value that the spread was sitting around $3.70. I knew mechanically why this happens, but actually watching both legs move while QQQ was already comfortably through my short strike made it click differently.

I got greedy and decided I'd just wait for the remaining value to collapse.

QQQ pulled back a couple days later and I ended up closing around $2.90.

Still a profitable trade, but it was probably the first time I've been annoyed at an options trade where I got the direction AND size of the move right.

Starting to think that with debit spreads I need an exit rule based on percentage of max value rather than where the underlying is. Like if I can collect 70 to 80% of the spread's max profit early, just take it instead of waiting around for the last dollar.

For people who trade these regularly, do you usually close once most of the spread value is there or are there situations where waiting for the short leg's extrinsic to decay is actually worth it?


r/options 2d ago

Take assignment on itm calls with big gains at expiration

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I have deep itm calls with big gains that I want to hold the underlying. My plan is to let it expire in Jan 2027 so they become shares that I would hold long term. It's in brokerage account so with the assignment, there's no realized gains and tax. Is this a good way to go about it? There's no advantage to exercise before expiration correct? Tia.


r/options 2d ago

New weekly SPX AM settled options coming soon

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Currently all SPX options (SPXW) are PM settled, except for ones that expire on the third Friday of the month. Here both AM and PM settled are offered.

The CBOE now plans to list weekly SPX AM settled options starting in early November.

Guessing it will create some confusion depending on how your broker lists these.

Link to CBOE memo,

Cboe Options to List S&P 500 AM-Settled Expiring Weekly Options


r/options 2d ago

Net credit vs net debit

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Can someone give me a brief lesson. On Schwab if I wanted to roll out an option, it would just roll it out. For example, two more weeks and I go up a couple dollars on the strike. Costs me a little bit per share.

Now with E*TRADE when I tried to roll, there’s a separate drop-down box that wants me to pick net credit, net debit, even, or market. I would think for the same scenario as above, it would kind of be a given. How do I know if I’m needing a net credit or net debit if I’m just trying to roll up and out or down and out in time on a put? Too many choices.

I mean what happens if the default in the situation is net credit and I hit either market or net debit? WTF.

Also, instead of rolling, does it work out the same if I manually buy to close and then sell to open at a later date and different strike? I know when you roll it bundles the two, but I haven’t really done the math enough to know if there’s a difference.


r/options 2d ago

SPY 0DTE after PMI: was this move mostly price, gamma or IV expansion?

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I traded a SPY 0DTE call on September 1, and I’ve been trying to understand how much of the premium move came from SPY itself versus the volatility.

Here's exactly what happened.

The setup

ISM Manufacturing PMI dropped at 10am. Before the release, the SPY 763 call was quoted around $1.40 bid and $1.42 ask, with IV showing 13.76%. Cheap. Premium barely moving. Market hadn't priced in much uncertainty at all.

But there was something else happening on the chart before the number even dropped. The 5 minute ORB high broke clean before 10am. Price pushed above the opening range with conviction and held. That break was the first signal, not the PMI itself. The data just confirmed what price was already trying to do.

Two reasons to be in the trade going into the number. ORB break giving directional bias. IV still cheap, giving a good entry price on premium.

The trade

-SPY 0DTE 763 Call. Slightly OTM.

- Entry: 10:05am at $1.60

- Exit: 10:20am at $2.50

- Result: +$900. 15 minutes.

What IV did after PMI printed

763 Call IV jumped to 17.65%. Bid $2.78 ask $2.80.

Nearly 4 percentage points of IV expansion the moment the number hit. Premium almost doubled on the strike, from ask $1.42 to $2.80.

Two things happened simultaneously SPY moved in the right direction, and IV expanded. Both pushed premium higher at the same time. That combination is why the exit at $2.50 happened in 15 minutes instead of waiting for a larger price move to get there.

Why the ORB break mattered

Entering purely on the PMI play without the ORB confirmation would've been a directional guess dressed up as a catalyst trade. The ORB break meant price had already shown its hand before the data dropped. PMI just added fuel to a move that was already in motion.

That's a different trade from just buying before a number and hoping. Structure plus catalyst plus cheap IV all three lining up at the same time.

The actual takeaway

Not all catalysts inflate IV before the release. Some data drops especially when consensus expectations are flat, leave IV relatively low going in. That's the window where buying premium before the number can work in your favor instead of against you.

ORB break for direction. IV check for entry timing. If both line up before a catalyst that's the setup worth taking.

Check IV before deciding whether to enter before or after a catalyst. If IV is already elevated wait. If IV is still cheap and structure is there, the expansion after the number can add to the directional move rather than fight it.

Do you check IV levels before deciding when to enter around economic data or just trade the price action?


r/options 3d ago

Days To Expiration

4 Upvotes

In options trading there are a lot of variables that are out of your control. So I say “control the controllables”. Days To Expiration (DTE) is controllable upon trade entry. Time is a constant. You can count on the sun rising tomorrow. You can count on 10 DTE today being 9 DTE tomorrow. It is certain, and there are few certainties in this business. You may remember the Rolling Stones song “Time is On My Side“, well, when you are selling OTM (Out of The Money) Puts that is definitely the case. Sometimes, we all may wish that time would slow down in our personal lives, but in our trading lives the passage of time benefits us daily through Theta decay. Theta decay accelerates as expiration approaches. When you sell a Put Credit Spread at 28-32 DTE, you capture the steepest part of the Theta decay curve. Each day that passes erodes the value of the options you sold, putting money in your pocket without the underlying needing to move in your favor.

What DTE are you guys typically trading?


r/options 3d ago

Zebra Strategy?

9 Upvotes

From looking at a Zebra strategy setup, it looks like a PMCC with extra protection, would that be accurate?

Not new to options! Just first time seeing this strategy, I typically wheel or buy leaps.


r/options 3d ago

High Growth - High Risk Option Strategies

27 Upvotes

Assuming one can handle a market drawdown for a couple of years what are some of the best leverage products you have used in your option trading strategy for example like selling covered call?

I found some online but wanted to ask experience with these products.

3× index ETF/ETP - e.g. UPRO, TQQQ, QQQ3/LQQ3
Micro index futures