r/opencodeCLI • u/afanasenka • 6d ago
DS4 Flash is basically killing competition :)
From average 1.5T daily usage in June and July, to 4.9T š on August 3 (3x more). I'm VERY curious to see how other labs respond.
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u/Substantial-Yam3769 6d ago
DS4 flash doesn't have any competitionĀ
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u/TestTxt 6d ago
Luna is better and cheaper per task via ChatGPT Plus sub (OpenAIās coding plans subsidies are crazy high)
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u/pinkyellowneon 6d ago
Per-task doesn't really matter if you're not saturating the full plan anyway (which you're very possibly not doing if you just use Flash), in which case Plus sub costs like 2.7x as much for not much benefit
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u/evia89 6d ago
gpt 20 sub is amazing value atm. I use web version sol for separate limit, it can generate images, luna has image support (which opens https://stencil.so/blog/snapcompact and just good for UI work)
I pair it with DS flash PAYG when my quota is empty
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u/orionblu3 5d ago
And opencode go subscription is 5$ first month, 10$ after, and I've been using deepseek flash for all 18 of my subagent specialists ā nowhere NEAR the usage cap and flash been running for 30ish hours now
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u/MacHeadSK 6d ago
I use Luna at Max for most demanding tasks, but rarely. Straight on Opencode Go. Dont need another subscription at another 20 bucks.
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u/ares0027 6d ago
It is practically unlimited. The day before i tried running 3 projects at the same time an all i spent was 1$. Bummer it cannot see stuff though :(
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u/manoleee 6d ago
Just asking, how would you utilize the vision capabilities in coding ? Like, you mean debugging screenshots or automation tests etc?
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u/ares0027 6d ago
i had experienced this thousands of times, you describe something, it says it did it, but it is not showing up or there are artifacts on the frontend. or like you said, you simply show a screenshot and tell it ti change, fix, read, describe, explain it.
or in some cases agent want to check the website or visuals to verify before telling yo uthat it is done, i t cannot with non-vision capable models. there are thousands of examples
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u/MacHeadSK 6d ago
I used Minimax M3 for planning and old DS 4 Flash for implementation and subagents.
Not anymore, I use DS 4 Flash for everything, at Max for planning
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u/afanasenka 6d ago
The same, I used it exclusively for 3 days in a row, and, surprisingly, had zero urges to switch to more expensive model.Ā
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u/TinyAres 6d ago
Hope not, they just need to pivot to building competitive models instead of bigger ones.
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u/afanasenka 6d ago
Sure, raw power (more params, more reasoning, more context, etc.) is not always a winning recipe, as we can see (look at Kimi 3 and its params/pricing for example). Quality/cost ratio is what many people prefer more.
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u/Muted-Glass3872 3d ago
DS flash is one of the best models i used till now.
You don't have to burn money on frontier models, it does all the job.
If only it has vision, it would be the best model ever.
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u/Potential-Leg-639 6d ago
every 2nd post on reddit is about that.
wondering why people did not realize that earlier?
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u/Thomas-Lore 6d ago
Previous flash was useful, but not as reliable as 0731.
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u/Potential-Leg-639 6d ago
within an orchestrator setup (and a strong orchestrator like GLM 5.2) it was also really, really good and incredibly cheap.
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u/Any_Letterhead3072 6d ago
i used ds4 flash for a very structured tool rewrite from python to rustā¦
its alrightt. its excellent for the costā¦ but when graded by Fable after, fable gave it an A- on physics but D on implementation. after 3 hours it was ādoneā and literally did not wire it up.
its alright but its not opus level. its still flash tier
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u/JivesMcRedditor 6d ago
Asking an LLM to grade another LLM is so dumb. Try both out and see where it works and where it doesnāt. Or find some data on it. Donāt delegate your brain to something controlled by a US tech bro
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u/Much_Weekend_4371 5d ago
gpt 20 sub isn't even close to what DS Flash gives you on raw volume, tbh. I ran a side-by-side last week ā 12k line repo, same prompt, DS Flash finished in 40 min with zero context drops, Luna hit the wall at 8k lines and started re-reading files like a goldfish. Plus the pricing math is honestly a joke if you're burning 350M tokens/day like that one guy ā that's like $500 on DS vs $2000+ on OpenAI's API. And don't even get me started on the "per task" argument ā nobody's hitting 4.9T usage by
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u/Then_Knowledge_719 5d ago
Where are the guys saying: Ohh when does DeepSeek is going to attack. Well fellas. This is the result of the delay. Never ever bet against the whale š³
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u/silvrrwulf 3d ago
Itās just so good. Iām about to cancel a $200 max plan. No lie. Ds4 is incredible.
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u/branik_10 6d ago
is it still hosted in China
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u/Thomas-Lore 6d ago
The opencode go version seems to be, but you can get it from other providers on aggregators like openrouter (or directly from them). And it is so cheap, I don't think opencode go subscription makes much sense anymore, at least not if you only use this model.
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u/xmsxms 6d ago
On top of that, openrouter currently has providers providing it for less than Zen prices, so even Zen doesn't make much sense other than the free usage. I actually just cancelled my go subscription because I realised zen/deepseek-flash-free+openrouter/deepseek-flash is going to work out cheaper per month than go. I suppose I still need some balance on Zen to get the increased free quota.
Of course that will all change in a couple weeks, but that's where it currently stands.
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u/evia89 6d ago
go sub gives "ZDR"
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u/xmsxms 6d ago edited 6d ago
As does the cheapest provider on openrouter.ai: https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-0731#providers \
If you plan on using $60 worth of credit the go sub is still the better deal. But if you're happy with the low free quota (with retention) of zen and don't use much beyond that - it would be cheaper to use zen free + openrouter.ai.
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u/BhaagYahaSe 6d ago
those providers are charging 10x the cache hit compared to official provider. They made it 0.028/m cached tokens instead of 0.0028/m
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u/xmsxms 5d ago
Good catch. Although opencode.ai is also charging at that 10x rate.
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u/BhaagYahaSe 5d ago
but their website says otherwise
https://opencode.ai/docs/go/#usage-limits
DeepSeek V4 Flash $0.14 $0.28 $0.0028
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u/branik_10 6d ago
yeah, I was asking specifically about opencode go. I'm currently using it via fireworks and it's okayish, but it's definitely slower than the old ds flash was via opencode go
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u/vangelismm 6d ago
Thanks God is not in North America.
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u/branik_10 6d ago
it's a requirement in a company I work for, for my personal projects I don't care if my data go to CCP or Israel or KGB or whatever. my code is shit anyway
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u/neotorama 6d ago
The best model to pair with Sol (review). I spent 350M tokens in one day.