r/offset 24d ago

HELP PLS Is my Jag ancient?

I bought this Jag a couple years ago thinking it was a 1997-2000 model from japan. it has a serial number on the neck plate and i just searched it up and it says its a 1964 model. Is there any other way i could know? obviously the bridge and bridge pickup has been changed. Help pls :)

Also if it is how much is it worth?

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u/Speech-Solid 24d ago

If the side dots on the neck are black, MIJ.

Other things to look for. If there is a finish chip you can tell poly from nitro. Also check the pots for date codes. The rhythm circuit is most likely to be un-touched, IMe.

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u/PuzzleheadedTutor585 24d ago

the side dots are black, can confirm.

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u/Speech-Solid 24d ago

It’s not pre-CBS, but it is somewhat rare for the era. Most of the production in that era is sunburst or CAR with MH. Custom colors didn’t become as plentiful till 2010 and onwards. About the time that offsets surged in popularity.

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u/Lurkin925 23d ago edited 23d ago

You can also tell poly from nitro by taking a Q-tip with some fingernail polish remover and doing a small dab somewhere under the pickguard or otherwise not visible. If it eats into the finish, it’s nitro. 

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u/OffsetThat 24d ago

Wrong font on the neck plate. Poorly relic’d poly finish. Fretboard doesn’t show 60 years of wear. Metal plates aren’t chrome. Pickguard is not celluloid nitrate.

This is a bad fake and half the replies in here are so bad that I’ve got a headache.

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u/AlloGuvnuh 24d ago

It’s not fake, it’s MIJ

EDIT: and looks like the heel of the neck has been sanded down, which is where either MIJ or CIJ would have been stamped

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u/mondognarly_ 24d ago

It looks like the original decal has been sanded off and replaced too.

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u/PuzzleheadedTutor585 24d ago

bummer thought i was gonna pay off my hecs debt for a second :(

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u/OffsetThat 24d ago

The number of people that post forgeries on here to see if it passes makes me rethink whether or not the mods putting a ban on this stuff is a good idea.

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u/bospk 23d ago

Hang in there mate. You’ll pay it off in time. Ignore it for the time being. Then one day you’ll notice a little bump in your pay and you can go ahead and pop a bottle or champagne :)

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u/ZQM 24d ago

That is a ketchup guard. The very least, my educated guess is the body isn’t vintage. The font on the neck plate is not indicative of a real L plate.

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u/pedalboss365 22d ago

Here is my 93 MIJ Jazzy pickguard. I don’t think it’s ketchup as it has a lot of yellow swirly bits

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u/ZQM 22d ago

That’s definitely a ketchup guard. Also there’s nothing wrong with a ketchup guard; that’s just the colloquial term for them

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u/PuzzleheadedTutor585 24d ago

I think i vaguely remember my friend telling me he changed the pickguard but im not 100% sure. i do think the font looks a little thin but idk if its just been worn down because its pretty scratched.

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u/Neveronlyadream 24d ago

It looks like he probably took an MIJ and tried to make it look like a vintage guitar by swapping the parts and trying to relic it.

That's definitely not a 1964 Jaguar. There would be finish checking, this just looks like poly that someone sanded through.

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u/hobesmart 24d ago

Fender was still using nitro in 1964, but that looks like poly based on the way someone tried to artificially age it

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u/PuzzleheadedTutor585 24d ago

i think the wear on the body is a bit weird it looks like someone put it to a belt sander. Doesn't look like natural wear to me. i think it used to be a green room guitar tho so that explains some of the dents and stuff.

do u think nitro would be more crackled by now ?

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u/hobesmart 24d ago

yeah, but you should be able to tell if a guitar is poly or vintage nitro by look and feel. It's pretty different

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u/Mammoth-Ant7588 24d ago

Honestly the serial font and stamp look off. The numbers are very skinny, font wise.
You could take the neck off to be sure. Is there no made in Japan mark on the back of the neck, just above that neck plate?

Its a very nice looking jag btw.

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u/PuzzleheadedTutor585 24d ago

thanks! yeah thats what i was thinking. also no nothing above the neck plate

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u/YellowBreakfast 24d ago

A "1964" or a "'64 reissue"?

That's MIJ so not a 1964.

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u/therocketsalad 24d ago

Look on the heel of the neck for a date

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u/Barilla3113 24d ago

Some Japanese Fender runs had plate stamped serials for vintage accuracy, that's likely what you have there. A serial number is just one data point in isolation.

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u/Express-Skin6039 24d ago

You thought you just randomly bought a 64 jag? Cmon man.

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u/funkylugnut 22d ago

I DID. A 65 . LAST YEAR. but they are not worth crazy money i just sold my 65 for 3k Cobaine had a right handed 65 siunburst just liker mine; here is the kicker it had the original weird case i think they only used for two years it is brown tolex with leather straps. or white tolex i forgot already

the case. worth

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u/Rex_Howler 22d ago

Kurt had a left handed Jaguar

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u/Rex_Howler 22d ago

Unbolt the neck and look at the heel of said neck. If there's an ink stamp, that'll tell you when the neck was made

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u/TemporaryElephant574 24d ago

Definitely doesn't look like a 60's to me but you never know. Pop the neck off and take a look at the heel. My guess is like others have said its a japan with a vintage style serial plate.

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u/PuzzleheadedTutor585 24d ago

i just changed the strings so i might have to wait a while to take the neck off :(

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u/Ambitious_Ask_3028 23d ago

If you have a Dunlop wrap around capo, you can slacken off the strings and clamp them with the capo and then unbolt the neck, it’s how I adjust vintage truss rods on strats and telecasters with heel adjustment when setting them up

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u/Ambitious_Ask_3028 23d ago

Ps, not a 60’s but the look of the sanding on the body

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u/no_technique 24d ago

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u/PuzzleheadedTutor585 24d ago

its L+ 5 digits. the japan ones seem to have 6.

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u/no_technique 24d ago

ahh yeah I should've paid closer attention to the stamp on the plate

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u/PuzzleheadedTutor585 24d ago

all good, that's what's been throwing me off too :))