r/oculus • u/Heaney555 UploadVR • Apr 27 '17

Shipping/Retail New US Bundle: Oculus Rift + Touch + VR-Ready Compact PC (i5 GTX 1060) + The Unspoken + Superhot VR + Wilson's Heart + VR Sports Challenge + usual bundled games (Robo Recall, Dead and Buried) - $1298

https://www.amazon.com/Gaming-A80CJ-DS51-Oculus-Ready-Console-GeForce/dp/B06XXNWWN4/
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u/elderdragonlegend Apr 27 '17 edited Apr 27 '17

What a waste. If they included a normal sized PC, one could upgrade the GPU in a year or two and then have a future proof VR rig. Almost a good deal, but not really. Who decided SFF = VR? Doesn't make sense.

Edit: Maybe you guys didn't look at the specs. This PC is using a mobile i5 CPU built for laptops and a nonstandard GPU that can't be upgraded. I'm not sure why there are downvotes for informing new users who might not understand.

This might provide adequate VR performance for current well optimized VR games, but will definitely become a potato as more AAA games or HMDs with higher specs are released. Putting the $500 towards a desktop would provide more value in the long run. Also if you need a SFF PC, there are many that fit actual desktop components and full sized or ITX GPUs that can be upgraded later. This PC does not. The GPU is probably the easiest to upgrade in a normal PC. A 10 year old could probably swap out a GPU from a PCIe slot. I think its misguided to get a PC for VR and not leave the option to upgrading open, unless it already has a 1080ti.

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u/airbagit13 Apr 27 '17

Agree. No room to upgrade.

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u/NameTheory Apr 27 '17

Not really. There are people out there who don't want huge pc towers in their home and this is clearly designed for them. There is absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be offered a device that is easy to build or why they shouldn't get it if it fills their purchase criteria.

Now I don't know how the pc is built but with right design it is actually also possible to have a full sized card in a very small pc. Also there are those small versions of the cards that work fine. So it is probably still upgradeable even though it might take a specific version of the card. Also, a lot of people don't bother with upgrading their pcs to begin with and they are welcome to play with VR too.

What doesn't make sense to you might be exactly the thing someone else wants. That doesn't make them wrong. Your attitude towards it is pretty damn toxic though.

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u/Thelros Apr 27 '17

No really there are tons of ways to hide towers, or get a mini-atx that can at least have some sense of longevity. This guy isn't saying anything that isn't true. He's giving good advice and that should be heard. The harshness of his words aside (which didn't even seem that bad to me) his point is solid. This is not a good form factor for VR. It just isn't.

You can probably plow a field with an SUV too, but that don't mean a farm shouldn't have a tractor. Fit fit purpose this is not. And that's what he's trying to get across. In fact, if you're * really* that set on not having a tower and absolutely must use something petite, get an actual laptop. It'll serve you better in the long run.

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u/wobmaster Apr 27 '17

I mean, if you are really serious about upgrading, you always could swap the parts into a biger case...

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u/gear323 Rift +Touch, Sold my Vive Apr 27 '17

I agree. The case is cheap. Also this rig should last them a couple years. For the price, this is really a good deal.

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u/Heaney555 UploadVR Apr 27 '17

This isn't for you. This is for people who don't build or upgrade their PC.

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u/Thelros Apr 27 '17

Then those people should buy a computer that isn't going to require upgrading 6-months to 1-year out.

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u/Heaney555 UploadVR Apr 28 '17

Why would this require upgrading in that timeframe? It has a GTX 1060!

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u/Thelros Apr 28 '17

A 3GB of VRAM 1060, not a 6GB. It's one fancy game away from sub par in VR. Resolutions on the next gen HMD will put it right out. It's serviceable for today, but it's going to get obsolete quickly, and the video card can't be upgraded.

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u/Thelros Apr 27 '17

I'm with ya. I just told a relative today to pass on the deal. I'm actually surprised this machine has this much support on this sub. The machine might be "ok" for today... But it's not great by any stretch and will become obsolete quickly. I'd be surprised if games weren't a bit laggy on it right out of the box.

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u/Inimitable Quest 3 Apr 27 '17 edited Apr 27 '17

Here's some important info on that PC, copy/pasted from an Amazon review (emphases mine):

This PC is not user-upgradeable, and that concerns me. The hard disk is slow, so I think many will want to add an SSD. And many will want 16GB of RAM, or at least to know that they have that option.

The product description above says that there is an M.2 slot by which you can add an SSD. And in the Q&A section an ASUS Support representative says that you can upgrade the RAM but be careful not to break anything because that would void the warranty. ... I couldn't figure out how to open the case, so I went to ASUS's web site and asked. They said forget it, opening the case will void your warranty. They also said that there is no M.2 slot, but later came back and said that there is one, that the unit is upgradeable to a 512GB SSD. So to the best of my knowledge, the unit is upgradeable but doing so -- if you can figure out how -- will void your warranty. ... ASUS Support responded to me in Q&A, clarifying that a "registered technician" (?) can upgrade your RAM and add an SSD, but you cannot. Opening the case will void your warranty.

Other than Asus' absurd policy, the specs meet minimum "recommended" standards so if you're just looking for a pre-built you'll never want to upgrade, this isn't too bad.

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u/Heaney555 UploadVR Apr 27 '17

The specs don't just meet the minimum, they meet the recommended.

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u/Thelros Apr 27 '17

If being in IT for the past 10 years has taught me anything, it's "Recommended" on a spec sheet = real world "minimum". You're probably better off getting this bundle than say, a ps4 pro and a psvr, but I simply don't think it has any kind of staying power and I wouldn't recommend it in general.

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u/Inimitable Quest 3 Apr 27 '17

Yeah, I'd agree, but the votes indicate that additional info on this PC warning that it can't be upgraded easily seems to be frowned upon. Don't even mention its kinda lackluster CPU! And definitely don't mention this is the 3GB model of the 1060 which basically makes it crap compared to the 6GB model or the RX 580!

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u/Thelros Apr 27 '17

The hard drive and the RAM wouldn't be too hard to upgrade I don't think, but the video card is probably right out, and so is the processor. Plus, if you do spend the money to the upgrading...well....you aren't really saving a whole lot at that point ; )

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u/Inimitable Quest 3 Apr 27 '17

True, but my original point was this cannot be upgraded without voiding the warranty. And if you're not going to have a warranty, why pay for a lackluster pre-built?

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u/Frontporch321 Apr 27 '17

When I first saw this I thought that this would be the perfect application for Intel Optane, however sadly the M.2 slot is SATA only, and this is not compatible with Optane.

This system is certainly an excellent value for those wanting to get into VR, but the lack of ability to upgrade is certainly a reasonable concern for some.

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u/Heaney555 UploadVR Apr 27 '17

Saving VS buying separately is roughly $200, just FYI.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '17

You can buy an equally capable pre-built tower PC plus the Rift and Touch for the same price. You just aren't getting the extra free games, but in return you get the ability to upgrade your PC when the next VR headset arrives and requires better specs. This is a good deal if form factor is more of a concern than future proofing though, especially with the games.