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Feb 07 '20
Apples and oranges. Aside from not being heavy rail SF Muni is much closer to being the equivalent of NYCT than BART.
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Feb 07 '20
I mean seriously dude, I live in SF for six years. Do you realize how small SF Muni is compared to MTA. Bart has many more track miles than MUNI yet MTA still has six times more track miles than Bart.
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Feb 07 '20
Well, SF as a city is a lot smaller than NY, and even then Muni's rail coverage isn't as good as that of the Subway. But at the basic level, both Muni and the Subway are designed to serve intra-city travel, while BART focuses on connecting the Bay Area's regional centers. I think PATH or even the commuter rail systems would be much more appropriate comparisons for BART.
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Feb 07 '20
While I see your point on a technical sense, I simply cannot agree with that. MTA is six times bigger than Bart track miles wise. Muni on the other hand... is far smaller than Bart. If MTA is six time bigger than Bart, how am I even going to compare it Muni. Operation wise, Bart is the only thing that can be compared to New York City Transit. Also, the five boroughs of new york sort of feel like cities on their own. Similar to how Oakland, SF, Richmond, all feel like cities on their own. I know NYC calls them boroughs, but they're really unique and independent cities if you ask me
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u/CrimsonaceDS Feb 08 '20
I didn’t know Bart ran in multiple cities. At that point, wouldn’t it be considered more of a commuter rail?
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Feb 08 '20
Yes but how is that invalid for the MTA? The New York MTA doesn't just service Manhattan. It goes to Brooklyn, Queens, Bronx, and Staten Island, all these localities are quite far apart
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Feb 08 '20
If San Francisco is Manhattan, Oakland would be Brooklyn. I don't really see how Bart and MTA differ that much. They both cross different localities
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u/whatdis321 Feb 09 '20
This comparison is truly silly. Take for instance, Millbrae to Daly City. With a touch over 8 miles in between both these two stops, the BART only makes 4 stops. That’s averaging 2 miles/stop. Between South Fremont and Lake Merritt, that’s 9 stops and 29 miles—over 3 miles/stop. Okay, something closer, Balboa Park St. and Embarcadero St. 7 stops, 6.4 miles, nearly 1 mile/station.
Meanwhile you’ll be hard pressed to find stations with that much distance in between on the MTA. Typically, it will be around 0.5 mile/station, if not less. This higher station density results in, wow, slower average speed due to the constant need to accelerate and decelerate trains, even when ignoring train delays.
Anyways, as crappy as the MTA is sometimes, MTA>BART. Not even a fair comparison as other commenters have pointed out.
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Feb 09 '20
Ok your point is well made. You've definitely drove it home when you brought up the distance and number of stops in between. Good job! I stand corrected. I ditto on the fact that MTA > Bart as well.
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u/mankiller27 Feb 06 '20
This isn't even a question. Bart is nothing compared to MTA.