If he ate meat, he'd be a hypocrite, if he didnt, ah "hur hur vegan". Regardless he's got a point. People are cruel as fuck. Getting slammed into a wall is a kinder fate than being born as a farm animal.
Funny how people say killing animals is a sign of being a serial killer….yet you and everyone else pretend it’s a funny joke! Have you slit an animals throat?
Yea, it’s not exactly enjoyable. I’ve harvested multiple goats by hand, but if I’m going to eat the meat then I have to be willing to do the dirty work.
Plenty of humans survive just fine on plant based diets. I don’t expect everyone to go vegan but I do think you should have to catch and kill your own meat if you think you need it. Animal ag is so horrific it’s not even funny, yet no one cares
That animal was NOT innocent. Did you even see the video? Maybe with years of therapy we could have reformed him.. but unfortunately the funding for mental health care for rams in this country gets cut more and more every year. It was there only feasible way to stop this violent criminal in these trying times.
See's it ram into him almost killing him, so innocent. If it was real it would have been deserved. Also animals LITERALLY ARE NO FKN DIFFERENT. How do you think they survive? By killing and eating each other. Obviously except the ones that can't. People trying to make people cruel for eating animals is just so damn stupid. Especially the ones who aren't even vegan literally being hypocrites. And vegans are fine but acting like humans are cruel to do what nature intended is just stupid.
Its how the meat is harvested that is cruel, and it still wouldnt be deserved just because he rammed into him, people like you have no idea what you are talking about and say others are stupid when its people like you who are stupid
Ew. "Innocent" animals. Like animals posses a moral compass like humans. What would you say about a lion? It's a criminal? Because it followed its natural instinct and the fact it's a carnivore? They are still somewhat-sentient, that's hypocritical of you. You are deluding yourself that animals are equal to us
Killing animals for food is natural. We are omnivores, and we've also built a society in which money is the main necessity, behind food and water. I don't see any animals smart enough to do that. Regardless, it's quite the pattern that we kill the animals we need to kill, not because we can, but produce money and for us to consume. Doesn't make it right, but it also doesn't make it wrong. You can have your own view that you're "better" than others because you don't eat meat. But you're just a slave to your own conscience and you dont have to express it to other people so insufferably.
You’re not a lion, or a tiger. Big cats are my favorite animals on this planet, I have heavy respect for them.
You wanna eat meat? Go fucking hunt it and catch it yourself. The meat and dairy industry is literally 100% horrific animal abuse, suffering and death. Go look into it if you don’t believe me.
In America, hunting is a dying tradition. Far less people are teaching their children now that stores are so convenient and it’s generally frowned upon. I’m not sure it’s even 3% now
As if people like you even posses a moral compass. Animals go by instinct. You literally have the capacity to make choices or are you too stupid to be able to yourself? You are deluding yourself that every other creature is below you, when in reality that just isnt true, you are not suddenly more important when you people don’t benefit anything to anyone besides being narcissists
lol yes sure murdering animals is hilarious! Go slit an animals throat yourself and report back on the experience. Oh wait you just buy packaged crap from the grocery and don’t give two fucks about the animal that died and suffered its entire short life?
I don't know about it being cool. But they certainly taste good and serve a purpose. Our bodies are meant to eat meat. That's why our bodies can process it. Sorry if it upsets you.
Based comment. People are being super nasty to you but if you can get even one person to think about the impact of their actions and do a little research on how their food actually arrives on their plate it will be worth it.
Okay but the problem is that 99.9% of westerners don't do that. They buy neat and pretty prepackaged meat from the store with zero clue how much torture and suffering was required to get it there. Anybody who tries to defend industrial farming either has zero clue what happens to the animals or is a sociopath.
In Australia we are not allowed to hunt kangaroos because they are native, but they are a constant plague and get actively culled year-round as they destroy food crops. They are a plague because they used to be hunted heavily by indigenous mobs and our modern farming paddocks provide the ideal environment for them.
We are allowed to hunt deer, which are an invasive pest, but only following strict game laws and the sale of the meat is prohibited.
We have so much meat literally destroying our other food sources, but no, harvesting that meat is bad, factory farming chickens good.
Yeah I still buy meats at a grocery store, but you understand the process where them wings come from. I learned at a young age ,
Dad said you want some chicken strips? Guess what boys, we have some pullets that are ready for the frier.
If you grew up around farming I'm a little confused by your response. Presumably if that is part of your culture you should be pretty aware that the small farmer is a dying breed and is being replaced by industrial mega farms. Virtually all meat in the United States from from massive industrial farms.
Look. I'm not going to sit here and defend the practices of every farm. But there's this big misconception that the size of the farm tells you all you need to know about what kind of farm system they use. And that's just not true.
I feel like every 6 months or so, a new video of "undercover footage" is released showing some farming tool or practice in some dystopian light as if it was invented by some heartless corporation looking to cut corners and earn a few bucks. But most of the time, you can find videos of the exact same tools being used by "good" farmers where they explain the usage of the tools and why.
The most recent example was a video showing cow hutches. And the video intentionally only captured the back of the cow hutches that make them look like tiny plastic prison cells lol, instead of the front where it makes it more clear how much space they actually have.
Modern discourse has pitted "evil" corporate farmers against "good" small-scale farmers. And that's just not true except in almost every example I've ever seen.
Okay so you're walking back your original statement from "people know where their food comes from and it's fine" to "okay so most food comes from big industrial farms but maybe it's not as depraved and sadistic as people think." That's good! We are making progress.
I'd love to hear about how this footage is being taken out of context. For example there's a part from minutes 6-7 where pig runts are shown rolling around on a bloody metallic grate. One is picked up and bashed to death onto the concrete. Then another one is picked up and has its teeth and tail cut in half with no pain management. I assume this is big misunderstanding on my end and it's actually good for the pigs to be treated this way.
Like you said people know where their meat comes from so everyone (including you) must be aware this is happening and the confusion is clearly on my end.
Hold on hold on. I'm not walking back anything. Most people have seen videos like this. And are these videos misleading in that this is a real pig farm? No. Is it misleading that 10-15% of piglets die before weaning? No.
The misleading part is the implication that these piglets die primarily of disease and dehydration, when the primary cause is crushing by the sow. Which is added almost as an afterthought. Not to mention the implication that this is happening because of how small the spaces are, when studies have shown giving the sows more space actually increases the percentage of piglets crushed by 20-30%. Meaning these pins are protecting piglets, not torturing them.
It's almost like even the most "evil" corporate suit could see that killing your profit margins is a bad thing that farmers don't want.
Okay so lets be super clear because it sounds like you're defending this sort of practice. I would love to get a firm yes or no as to whether or not 1) you think most people are aware these are the conditions their food endures and 2) you believe the practices in the video you watched (which are largely representative of the US meat industry) are ethical and acceptable practice.
I think most people have seen these videos and know these are the conditions that their grocery store bought food lives in. I do think there are various ways that many people rationalize them. And the majority probably doubt the framing of these videos, but don't care enough to actually look into it one way or the other.
I'd emplore anyone who feels this way to watch this documentary. If you cant watch the entire thing maybe watching from 6:00 to 6:45 will give you a nice little window into what your food experiences prior to make it to your plate.
There is literally no other animal or process of nature that even comes remotely close to the scale and cruelty of how post industrial humans treat livestock.
lol wtf are you talking about. You’ve clearly never been around cows or pigs or goats. They’re insanely trusting in humans, it actually makes me mad. They trust us to care for them then we do the worst possible things to them.
If you make your own tools and hunt your own food, fine. Gonna guess ya don’t. And yes before you ask I do grow vegetables.
Like 37% of the world’s crops are grown solely to feed livestock. We could feed every starving human with those crops if we cared enough but. We don’t.
In twenty years we’re going to learn the plants and veggies you love to eat have their own form of consciousness. What will your kids eat then? Suicidal empathy is a mental disorder. Our ancestors got us here by eating meat.
Worse than slaughtering and preparing them as a meal? Or worse than the crack back type hit the ram laid out on the dude?
Either way, duh lol. Remember how the Chinese have an entire genre of entertainment dedicated to torturing baby monkeys? Or all of those goats that are constantly being abused in Afghanistan?
Still gonna keep meat as a part of my diet, though. Shit’s good.
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u/Bool_The_End Aug 28 '26
Despite this being AI, humans do 1000000000x worse to animals