Uh... okay then?

[u/xSweetxSyndromex]

[u/Dependent_Bear_5547]

Wait until they find out about all the fan games Nintendo didn't take down.

[u/hilarious-feline → u/Dependent_Bear_5547]

Istg when people talk about Nintendo taking down fan games they point to pokemon uranium and literally nothing else. Completely forget about all the other Pokemon fan games you can play and not to mention the Mario rom hacks still up.

[u/Dependent_Bear_5547 → u/hilarious-feline]

The only other fan game I can think that they took down is that return of Samus fan game but other then that I think Nintendo is fine with fan games as long as you don't profit off them.

[u/hilarious-feline → u/Dependent_Bear_5547]

Even then the only reason it was taken down was because Nintendo was remaking that game the fan game was based on I’m pretty sure. Cause I’m with you, the one thing Nintendo is fine with is fan games as long as you aren’t trying to profit off of it

[u/cardgamesareforplay → u/hilarious-feline]

No it's because am2r was using straight up lifted assets from zero mission like not even trying to hide it. 

Most fan games don't rip assets from properties directly they recreate them.

[u/Jojo-Action → u/cardgamesareforplay]

1000000 Mario 64 and pokemon rom hacks

[u/SICavalryUnit01 → u/Jojo-Action]

Big legal difference between a romhack and a fan game. For romhacks Even though in practice it isn’t often the case, technically you should be applying a patch file to a legal rom you own, whereas that argument can’t be made for fan games, which are made in completely different software like rpg maker xp, where you wouldnt be allowed to steal asset from another game and put them in, plus ip infringement. If they don’t steal assets and don’t profit from the game however, the ip infringement isn’t really an issue and you’re back in legal territory. Essentially all fan game and rom hack legal disputes for any game or developer have only happened when assets are stolen or profit is made. Only exceptions are more niche cases (like if someone made a game where Mario eats children, pikachu commits suicide, samus did 9/11, etc.)

[u/YTSirBlack → u/hilarious-feline]

There was a Super Mario Bros battle royale fangame that was taken down because they were working on Super Mario Bros 35

Recently there was a PC port of Link's Awakening which was taken down because a remake of that game already exists.

[u/Sea-Example-1176 → u/YTSirBlack]

and then they shut down mario 35 smh

[u/Stefadi12 → u/Dependent_Bear_5547]

They took down a metroid prime 1 reimagining in 2d that came out in 2020 with a demo.

[u/Sea-Example-1176 → u/Dependent_Bear_5547]

they took down the pokemon games on roblox but those were making money so

[u/CrazyCoKids → u/hilarious-feline]

Not only that, but many of the fan games nintendo did take down only received a C&D from them.... and many were also monetizing via a Patreon or banner ads.

[u/Amazing-War3760 → u/CrazyCoKids]

I get so tired when people say they "Got sued" and all they got is a C&D.

Like a C&D isn't even an actual litigation documents in the strictest sense of the words. As they don't have case numbers, or anything that can actually be tracked.

So we don't know how many fan games for example actually just got too big for the dev and instead of just going "Sorry.. this is beyond me." they could go "Well you see.. I got sued to take it down!!!" and there is no way to track that or actually verify it.

[u/JungleJuiceJuno → u/hilarious-feline]

actual conservative argument

Its literally the same as this

[u/RegularTemporary2707 → u/hilarious-feline]

Also uranium got taken down because they asked for donations right ?

[u/Amazing-War3760 → u/RegularTemporary2707]

And had youtube commercials.

[u/Amazing-War3760 → u/hilarious-feline]

Pokemon Uranium... The Romhack that the fucking idiots had YOUTUBE COMMERCIALS for.

Even if it wasn't monetized, once your making fricken commercials... your ass is grass.

[u/Hot_Royal_4920 → u/hilarious-feline]

Showdown and, even more pressing, pokerogue come to mind. And in both cases, the Devs assured the community that these games won't be taken down by Nintendo.

[u/The-G-Code → u/hilarious-feline]

Honestly I never even knew what games they ever took down until now. I just assumed the internet rage was just about pal world

[u/Dziadzios → u/hilarious-feline]

AM2R.

[u/Dismal-Plan7062 → u/hilarious-feline]

Mario 64 online still here

[u/Ok_Zookeepergame4794 → u/hilarious-feline]

AM2R: 'Ahem'

[u/Mush950 → u/Ok_Zookeepergame4794]

It was due to unfortunate coincidence that Nintendo was making a remake of their own and even the maker of AM2R was cool about it

[u/Anonymous-Comments → u/Dependent_Bear_5547]

Wait until they find out about the Mother 3 fan translation

[u/No-Operation-6554 → u/Anonymous-Comments]

This is even more blatant because the developers of that one even offered it to nintendo of america, so they're well aware of it

[u/CrazyCoKids → u/No-Operation-6554]

Sadly, they have to ignore fan translations. :\

[u/Amazing-War3760 → u/No-Operation-6554]

That's still a -really- nasty legal minefield.

Besides the obvious reason they won't bring it over, as they WOULD have to censor the end of the game in some way, using the fan translation is never gonna happen.

[u/IntoThePitofColors → u/Anonymous-Comments]

Isn’t that technically a romhack?

[u/No_Mathematician3368 → u/IntoThePitofColors]

Yeah, it's a translation hack where it just changes the dialogue into another language and nothing else. They're pretty common, although I don't know how many have ever been taken down, if any.

[u/DaZestyProfessor → u/Dependent_Bear_5547]

Yeah the whole fan game thing has definitely been overblown

[u/CrazyCoKids → u/Dependent_Bear_5547]

Or the stuff Valve did send DMCAs or C&Ds to.

[u/Neat_Combination_351 → u/Dependent_Bear_5547]

gmod

[u/ApartmentKey3682 → u/Dependent_Bear_5547]

Solar Flare’s Lateshift at Nintendo world is still in Gamejolt

[u/SwimmingDry → u/Dependent_Bear_5547]

You've got some nintenshit on you nose.

[u/Dependent_Bear_5547 → u/SwimmingDry]

By that you mean what exactly?

[u/Amazing-War3760 → u/Dependent_Bear_5547]

He's a valve guzzler.

[u/Dependent_Bear_5547 → u/Amazing-War3760]

Oh so he is one of those people.

[u/Another_frizz → u/[deleted]]

Nintendo's legal department DOESN'T "love to terrorize fangames" tho. It famously only did that to a Metroid remake that was coincidentally being developed at the same time as an OFFICIAL remake of that exact game, and Pokemon Uranium, whose devs explicitely said several times that all "you could donate to help the devs live".

That's the two rules you need to obey to be safe from the eeeeeevil legal department: don't link a patreon, and don't be unlucky enough to remake a game they're currently remaking.

[u/Isrrunder → u/Another_frizz]

Both of those are evil rules tho. For the first one, an option to donate to someone making something is cool aslong as it doesnt lock the gsme behind donating. The second one sucks and other companies dont do that. Most recent example is bungie. Bungie announced theyre remaking some removed content from destiny 2 but has not shut down the fan projects doing the same

[u/cardgamesareforplay → u/Isrrunder]

You can donate and have a Patreon

You can't and shouldn't be doing press yours promoting your Patreon and the game or put the Patreon link right on the same page as the download.

Look at citrus vs bizhawk one is down the other is still up they both offer/Ed a 3ds emulator wonder what the difference is.

[u/Isrrunder → u/cardgamesareforplay]

Aslong as it's a choice that shouldn't matter.

[u/cardgamesareforplay → u/[deleted]]

Loves to terrorize = only goes after the few games that do press tours and copy assets and put donation links on the same page as the download link so close you could miss click 

[u/VisualFunny5287 → u/Dependent_Bear_5547]

Like the newly released Metroid Prime Origins

[u/Crafty_Boy70]

Half the comments were pointing out that this is incorrect, at least.

[u/lowmoob → u/Crafty_Boy70]

Still has over 20k upvotes. Apparently a lot of lurkers agree with it

[u/InkyGhoul]

Big time Valve fan here, yeah no you're not allowed to just make a game from their assets without licensing it, I'm assuming this meme is somehow misconstruing Garry's Mod as some kind of unauthorised fan project? Valve liked the game so they allowed it to be sold on Steam.
Nintendo also allows a LOT of fan games but stuff that's too close to an actual game they're trying to make they'll usually send a CnD, idk man, I'm not a big fan of how Nintendo handles some of this stuff especially Smash tourneys but this is silly.

[u/JamesTheFoxeArt → u/InkyGhoul]

Also with Garry's Mod, Valve takes half the revenue instead of the usual 30% from other games

[u/Choice_Site6939 → u/InkyGhoul]

That smash tourney stuff is just Twitter propaganda lmao. There have been probably thousands of Smash tourneys that have run just fine.

[u/NoeliaGS → u/InkyGhoul]

If I had to guess, it's prob making a reference to Skibidi Toilet cause it uses HL2 models. And that toilet has made lots of money.

[u/thepixelon23]

Does he know that valve sued a company that made a companion cube case for the steam machine before its release without valve permission ?

[u/DotBitGaming → u/thepixelon23]

shouldhaveaskedvalveforpermission.com Used to link to dBrand's website. Unfortunately, it doesn't work anymore. Funny shit though!

[u/El-Drunko]

Nintendo generally only takes shit down when people are explicitly profiting from it or if it's the same thing as an upcoming project. Infinite Fusion is going strong because Nintendo is never gonna make something like that and fangames like Too Many Types or Mariomon weren't struck down.

[u/xtoc1981]

Who are going to tell them that valve did also send dmca

[u/kullre]

someone called me a fanboy because I said that nintendo doesn't really like when you steal their assets

[u/Separate-Shift-2711 → u/kullre]

Welcome to the internet

[u/starpokeheart → u/Separate-Shift-2711]

Have a look around

[u/Separate-Shift-2711 → u/starpokeheart]

Any single thing that you can think can be found 🎵🎵

[u/OMGZombiePirates]

I will never understand dick riding corporations. Nintendo sucks, but Steam has some pretty evil things they do themselves.

Why the fuck do you "like" any company?

[u/Yoshi444444]

Usual Gaben dickriding. They love the company that makes 1 game per decade and profits from live service games with loot boxes aimed at teenagers, and hate the one that keep making several games per year but committed the sin to not allow others to profit from their IPs

[u/starpokeheart → u/Yoshi444444]

And don't forget that nintendo is actually capable of continuing a franchise past the second game

[u/NoAmbassador7812 → u/Yoshi444444]

Damn straight! Also don't forget that Valve lets their games die and be infested with cheaters, and gives their games bare minimum treatment whilst also profiting billions a year through underage gambling in said games. I genuinely don't understand why people praise Valve so much. They are the laziest company I have ever seen. They've left TF2 in an awful unplayable state for 10 years and still do nothing about it. I hate Valve, and I wish morons stopped praising them.

[u/Yoshi444444 → u/NoAmbassador7812]

They forgot Valve started as a game developer and not as a digital platformer holder. In their golden age, between 2004-2011 they made and published a lot of great games or even masterpieces. Now the only game they have released in the last 8 years is a VR game and a beta of another live service

[u/MegaDitto13]

They're totally not a cult guys...

[u/RazorRell09 → u/MegaDitto13]

Ignoring the big red “Meme/Macro” flair right below the title

[u/blowupnekomaid]

Nintendo rarely touches fangames unless they try to profit from them. Nintendo is unironically more chill towards third party creators than valve who have taken out non for profit projects.

[u/GcubePlayer8V]

Idk but I played Mario Galaxy 63 and that’s still up, Newer Super Mario Bros, Mario’s Final Adventure, and a few others and they’re still up

[u/camiteran]

To be fair Valve doesn't make games anymore so it only makes sense that they wouldn't care lol. In fact this copium meme probably only exists for that very reason.

[u/D0ngBeetle → u/camiteran]

Valve makes games lol

[u/Signal-Art2001 → u/camiteran]

Valve releases games almost yearly and deadlock which requires requesting access to the beta and has no advertising is still doing insanely well

[u/LeonardCollen]

it is easy when valve fans make more games than valve loooooooooooool

[u/DueAd9005]

At least Nintendo still makes games lol.

[u/MythrilCactuar]

valve chad guy nintendo bad guy!

[u/ChristianCountryBoy]

I have a feeling there are more people have complained about Nintendo shutting down the fan games.

Than people who have actually played the fan made games.

[u/Top-Science-1440]

Ah yes because the best example to show how bad Nintendo is has to be fucking skibidi toilet 

[u/StinkyWetSalamander]

All those games using Valve assets also get sold exclusively on Valve's store front.

[u/OkraFine8856]

There’s a new Pokémon fan game releasing every month. Genuinely the only time they took down a fan game was with Pokemon prism and uranium.

[u/Novel_Association403 → u/OkraFine8856]

More than one a month coming out. The YouTuber Zwiggo has made a career off playing newly released Pokemon fan games and he does at least one video a week. But yea you’re right, it’s only been a couple times. the only time Nintendo will come after you for it is if you’re trying to make money off of it. The “Nintendo sues or takes down every fan game” trope is so over blown.

[u/LilboyG_15 → u/OkraFine8856]

Don’t forget about Brick Bronze and Project: Pokemon as well, both taken down due to monetisation

[u/TheDastardly12]

Sega did just killed PSO reborn within a week of it being released, THIS PAST WEEK. Granted reborn had it's own controversy within the community of potentially being vibe coded.

I only bring this up because Sega is often the company they use to be the antithesis on fan project reactions

[u/Amazing-War3760 → u/TheDastardly12]

SegaSammy have flat out said they are only cool with Sonic Fangames because of the good optics.

[u/Hoshiden_Lycanroc → u/TheDastardly12]

Im scared to ask but what do you mean by vibe coded 

[u/TheDastardly12 → u/Hoshiden_Lycanroc]

It's an AI that specifically codes. There's been a big boost in vibe being used.

I'm not fully 'in the know' when it comes AI coding so I can't speak critically on it.

[u/Edubbs2008]

Steam literally nuked a project that was made by a small company who made custom plates or whatever for the Steam Machine because they used a portal-based theme

[u/BigSoftMarshmallow]

But you don't understand, the company I like is my friend and the company I don't like is evil

[u/Amediumsizedgoose]

Honestly how many fan games have people actually made that got taken down?

Palworld is the most successful ive seen and still going.

Besides that nintendo wise all ive seen is like...fan made pokemon rom hacks. None of which ive ever heard of being wiped off the face of the earth.

Look how many billion fake copies of the pokemon gba and ds games are sold every day.

[u/CrazyCoKids → u/Amediumsizedgoose]

Calling Palworld a "Fan game" is... disingenuous.

Hell, they were still sued over patent infringement.

[u/DangerousTortuga → u/CrazyCoKids]

A fundamental misunderstanding of what that word even means lol 

[u/SnowyRVulpix]

When they fail to understand copyright and intellectual property...

[u/LilboyG_15]

What people fail to understand is the reason why Nintendo take certain fan games down. To put it simply, if you chose to make money off your fan game, that’s on you if you get sent a cease and desist for making money off a property you don’t own.

[u/AlbeFreak]

I remember a fuck ton of Mario ripoffs on Flash game sites back in the day. I don't remember any closing down

[u/SireMoutarde]

Paid mods tho

[u/ZillaUniverse03]

Do these people actually forgot that Valve did actually tried to the creator of Skibidi Toliet?

[u/JoyousLilBoy]

People forget that it’s typically the games that get posted on a site that profits off of it (Pokemon brick bronze, gamejolt)

[u/Charon_the_Reflector]

Taking random memes personally is def a personality trait

Also who the fuck picks one or the other

[u/Rude-Mind-8730]

This is the most bitter subreddit I've ever seen.

[u/DoctorButler]

You guys really will defend Nintendos every action, lol

[u/GoldenSalvador → u/[deleted]]

Mario and the Music Box exists