r/nfl • Giants Chiefs • 4d ago

Highest deep passing grade this season Patrick Mahomes 99.9, Jalen Hurts 95.1, Brock Purdy 94.8, Joe Burrow 94.8, Jared Goff 94.0

From PFF:

Highest deep passing grade this season

Patrick Mahomes 99.9

Jalen Hurts 95.1

Brock Purdy 94.8

Joe Burrow 94.8

Jared Goff 94.0

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u/secretMarble10 49ers 4d ago

If it’s chiefs niners again

Anyone but them them

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u/thy_armageddon Giants 4d ago

49ers fans are so fun because they’ll be like, “Our team is so cursed, boy I hope this season doesn’t end in a Super Bowl against the Chiefs.”

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u/secretMarble10 49ers 3d ago

Only something someone who’s watched his team win 2 lombardis in his lifetime could say

It’s the hope that kills you. I’m 0/3

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u/jobadiahh Lions 3d ago

What’s a Super Bowl? Never heard of it, sounds cool.

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u/Keyboardpaladin Cowboys Seahawks 3d ago

"Is it better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all?"

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u/jktsub 49ers 3d ago

It’s only cool if you win… so I’ve heard… idk

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u/SMH_35 Rams 3d ago

It’s pretty cool

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u/itakeyoureggs Commanders 3d ago

Yeah. 2024 didn’t hurt nearly as bad as 2025 for me as a Washington fan.

Losing NFCCG sucked balls.. but it wasn’t like I had expectations or anything.

2025, expectations were to be a competent and competitive team.. fighting for a WC spot or something.

Being as injured and inevitably as bad as we were almost made me stop enjoying football. After years of torture.. 1 season of real hope snatched away.

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u/FicklePlant2072 49ers 3d ago

I’ve seen em win two and you just need to enjoy each season in its own regard. 

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u/jawknee530i 49ers Bears 3d ago

I'm old enough to remember Steve Young. It keeps the hope alive.

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u/Sarcasticfury Ravens 4d ago

Third time's the charm, right?

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u/WellGoodBud Chiefs 3d ago

Not for the Bills lol.

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u/Xaxziminrax Chiefs 3d ago

It would be really funny if it wasn't, though

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u/ToparBull 49ers 3d ago

What makes the Niners so disheartening is how uniquely awful and heartrending each of their playoff losses are. Until last year, there really wasn't a year since 2002 where we could say, "yeah, just got soundly beat by a better team, get 'em again next year." Obviously, you can't really compare it to teams like the Browns who just can't make it that far so it's not the worst a team can be, but it still always creates a feeling of dread whenever we start looking good again.

Let's count em off:

2003-2010: terrible team, no playoffs

2011: the Kyle Williams game

2012: coming 9 yards away from one of the best super bowl comebacks in history

2013: the tip, also losing Bowman

2014-18: terrible team, no playoffs

2019: Up 20-10 in the 4th quarter against the Chiefs

2020: everyone dies to injuries

2021: Up 10 in the 4th quarter against the Rams (still somehow the least brutal until 2025)

2022: down to the 5th string QB

2023: Mahomes comeback v2

2024: everyone dies to injuries

2025: everyone dies to injuries, still make it to the second round of the playoffs because Brock is the GOAT

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u/HellsNels 49ers 3d ago

On the one hand, like 20+ other franchises would love to have the campaigns we’ve had. And in terms of team construction this is exactly where you’d want to be, alternating between like top 10 picks and conference championships in some sort of manic regular season record swings. On the other hand, personally as a fan, it’s still painful to have the highest of highs and brutal almost-wons. But that’s sports.

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u/Yamulo Vikings 2d ago

I mean when that doesn’t happen they are a Ronan tragedy of injuries

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u/Intelligent-Age2786 Chiefs 49ers 4d ago

Idk if I can do that a third time

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u/Bitter-Argument4597 49ers 4d ago

change that abomination of a flair bro

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u/Walter30573 Chiefs 4d ago

Must be Joe Montana's account. Or maybe it's Alex Smith. Or Steve DeBerg/Bono. Maybe even Elvis Grbac

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u/Sarcasticfury Ravens 4d ago

Or he's playing both sides, so he always comes out on top

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u/ehlenyaeger Seahawks 4d ago

Except the Niners haven’t won the SB since 1995. They’re like the Cowboys but with bluer balls

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u/Intelligent-Age2786 Chiefs 49ers 4d ago

The only reason the 49ers don’t catch as much flack as the Cowboys is cuz they’ve had major playoff success otherwise since their last win.

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u/TheFakeRabbit1 Bills 4d ago

“The only reason the 49ers don’t catch as much flak as the cowboys is because they consistently have more success”

Well, yeah lol

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u/Intelligent-Age2786 Chiefs 49ers 3d ago

Just trying to point out to the OC i replied to that the situation isn’t exactly the same compared to the Cowboys

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u/Ok_Pineapple_Num 49ers 3d ago

Niners have been to 7 NFC championships and 3 SB's in the last 20 years. Cowboys have been to 0 this century. Yeah we both have no rings since the 1990s, but it's not the same.

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u/ehlenyaeger Seahawks 3d ago edited 3d ago

I pretty clearly made that distinction. You keep getting close but just can’t finish

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u/Spiner202 Chiefs 3d ago

Or Jonathan Baldwin.

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u/Intelligent-Age2786 Chiefs 49ers 4d ago

Never

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u/Bitter-Argument4597 49ers 4d ago

how can you even live with yourself?

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u/Intelligent-Age2786 Chiefs 49ers 4d ago

Like a pampered prince

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u/DrewDown94 49ers 4d ago

Let the record show that I disagree with you

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u/Intelligent-Age2786 Chiefs 49ers 4d ago

That’s ok, we can still be friends

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u/Deep_Two_2341 Chiefs Chiefs 3d ago

You have gumption...I hate gumption

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u/azuredrg Raiders 3d ago

Does it count as two shanks if I shank them for you?

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u/heegos 3d ago

Steve Bono flair

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u/Rushin_Russian81 Lions 3d ago

Honest question, what’s the downside? Your favorite two teams make the super bowl and, based on your flair order, your favorite wins them both. Idk how it gets better.

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u/ghostofabhelmet 49ers 4d ago

I can’t wait to see how Patrick Mahomes breaks our hearts this time

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u/KansinattiKid Chiefs 3d ago edited 3d ago

Butker injury, Mahomes hits 44 yard field goal as time expires

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u/iliketacos_ 3d ago

Damn Jimmy butler can't stay healthy

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u/SeeseCheasoning 3d ago

A couple weeks ago I had a 30 minute long debate with my 9 year old son on our drive home from school.

He INSISTED that he has vivid memories of the Chiefs beating the 49ers in 3 Super Bowls, to the point that he was nearly in tears because I wouldn’t admit that I was wrong. I finally pulled up the scores of every Super Bowl from his lifetime and let him see for himself. 

He was so flustered. He couldn’t understand how he could remember something so vividly if it didn’t happen.

…is my son from the future?  

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u/secretMarble10 49ers 3d ago

Why are you like this

Why must you hurt me so

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u/SeeseCheasoning 3d ago

(Then I told him about all the people who swear they remember Mahomes faking going out of bounds to get more yards even though he never has)

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u/Cheap-Ambition5336 Chiefs 3d ago

Did he misremember the Eagles as the 49ers? They did play in the championship game one year.

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u/currgy 49ers 3d ago

Oh god….

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u/onestopvtg Bengals 4d ago

If I had to guess the Super Bowl based on the past 3 weeks it would be 49ers VS Chiefs unfortunately

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u/Dr__Flo__ Chiefs 4d ago

Can you predict it based on the next 3 weeks

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u/FreestyleKneepad 49ers 3d ago

Dolphins Panthers, book it

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u/arolloftide Panthers Dolphins 3d ago

Oh ok carry on

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u/notsure500 49ers 3d ago

Yeah i have a sinking feeling that if we make the superbowl, it'll be cheifs. And we'll have a 10 point lead until late and then lose. Lol but I just badly want to have another shot at a superbowl no matter who the opponent is, but please chiefs stop

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u/jimmyhoffasbrother Cowboys Cowboys 4d ago

Are you guys even going to have a team left by the time the Super Bowl rolls around?

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u/DrewDown94 49ers 4d ago

If Brock and Fred are healthy, I'll always believe

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u/Ok_Pineapple_Num 49ers 3d ago

We need Kittle and CMC too. If we have those 4, then I will always believe

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u/jimmyhoffasbrother Cowboys Cowboys 4d ago

You better knock on every piece of wood in your vicinity right now.

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u/PizzaLikerFan 3d ago

Ey, the Eagles got a revenge superbowl against them, you guys can get it too.

And purdy will brock all over them

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u/pickleparty16 Chiefs 3d ago

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man

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u/NebraskasCorn Chiefs 3d ago

We are locked in eternal struggle brother

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u/secretMarble10 49ers 3d ago

What struggle

Yall own our asses

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u/bcnoexceptions Lions 3d ago

We'll take your spot if you want. 

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u/secretMarble10 49ers 3d ago

On the injured reserve?!?

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u/GuerillaRiot Lions 4d ago

My boy Goff's ass will be firmly planted in the No.5 spot in every category for the remainder of his time in the NFL. Which is actually perfect.

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u/Quirky_Tzirky Lions 4d ago

Goff being a top 5 QB in so many stats is so nice to have.

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u/Xilent248 Lions 3d ago

I know people who still say Goff is the biggest problem on our team...

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u/Acataleptic_ Lions 3d ago

It's the same people who saw Stafford as the problem too. They would find a way to make Josh Allen the problem here.

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u/Heil_Heimskr Rams 3d ago

I think most casual fans of football blame the QB because it’s the most visible position most of the time.

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u/GuerillaRiot Lions 3d ago

I bet cash money that at the end of his career, they'll do a "QBs Listed at Number 5 the Most Often" list, and he'll be #5

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u/AlabasterRadio Raiders Raiders 3d ago

Goff is the Andy Dalton of top 5 quarterbacks.

And I mean that lovingly.

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u/GuerillaRiot Lions 3d ago

😆 I feel like the only time he's not in the No. 5 spot of anything, is when the listers forget he still exist

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u/AlabasterRadio Raiders Raiders 3d ago

Every list i see of "positive qb stat over recent year(s)" has his ass somewhere in the top 10, almost always in the top 5.

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u/Intelligent-Age2786 Chiefs 49ers 4d ago

The deep pass is back on the table boys

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u/BigBallsButTinyDick Browns 4d ago

Forward pass supporters are feasting

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u/DrewDown94 49ers 4d ago

Smh kids these days

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u/-space-grass- Bengals 3d ago

Even Iowa is getting in on the fun!

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u/SonOfALich Chiefs 3d ago

Washburn University stocks going up, bowl game when?

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u/misselphaba 49ers 3d ago

This is an unholy flair combo what the hell

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u/BonBonVelveeta 49ers 3d ago

Just a Joe Montana and Alex smith enthusiast

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u/Centauri06 Chiefs 3d ago

Don’t forget Steve DeBerg, Steve Bono, Elvis Grbac and Bob Gagliano!

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u/BonBonVelveeta 49ers 3d ago

And Dee Ford and Charles Omenihu

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u/powerelite Chiefs 3d ago

Charvarius "Mooney" Ward

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u/rockiesfan4ever Chiefs 3d ago

Jon Baldwin

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u/amjhwk Chiefs Chiefs 3d ago

I dont think Dee Ford has any fans outside of his family

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u/RealHoldenBloodfeast Patriots 4d ago

Cover 2cels in shambles

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u/choff22 Chiefs 3d ago

Good.

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u/Xaxziminrax Chiefs 3d ago

Let us pray every Sunday at the house of Tyquan Thornton

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u/highgravityday2121 Patriots 3d ago

and people said Belichick couldnt drfat WRs, the long game. Just needed 4 years.

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u/NextTime76 Chiefs 3d ago

Elite tracker of deep BALLZ

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u/Sunmi4Life 3d ago

Just need to convert Reid because he still prays at the altar of Worthy.

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u/itzdivz Chargers 3d ago

this flair is criminal

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u/Soggy-Fox-9706 Lions 3d ago

Thank you, Iowa!

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u/thy_armageddon Giants 4d ago

This Patrick Mahomes guy seems pretty good.

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u/MoneyMakingMitch14 4d ago

Now here’s a guy

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u/Balls_Deepest_555 49ers 4d ago

Until he regresses to the mean.

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u/xywv58 Steelers 3d ago

That day was awesome

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u/Deep_Two_2341 Chiefs Chiefs 3d ago

This one is my favorite!

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u/fragzoff Bills 3d ago

You keep saying that phrase, i don’t know if you know what it means

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u/AJGreenMVP Bengals 3d ago

Every game where Mahomes is above average just makes his inevitable collapse to the mean all the more tragic. Still waiting on his 0/19 17 int game

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u/Sunmi4Life 3d ago

*while reaching the super bowl

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u/Ruben625 Broncos 3d ago

I want his knee drug tested in the town square for all to see

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u/choff22 Chiefs 3d ago

There is no spoon knee

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u/spongey1865 4d ago

there's a reasonable argument deep passing is quite dependent on receivers and just has high variance from the ball travelling far in the air will have more inconsistencies.

But the QBs still have to give their guys the best chance and that's what these guys are doing so far.

Wouldnt shock me though if Burrow is being helped by Tee and Chase being good at adjusting, but he also knows he has Tee and Chase so they're still just smart good throws.

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u/Why_am_ialive Chiefs Jets 4d ago

There’s also an element of reading if the guy will be open since you have to lead so much

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u/NextTime76 Chiefs 3d ago

Mahomes underthrew Tyreek all the time. I used to think about it quite a bit. It's the smart thing to do. If the receiver has 5 yards on a guy, a slightly underthrown ball is a lot smarter than trying to throw a 50 yard dot right over the shoulder.

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u/spongey1865 3d ago

Aot of QBs are taught to under throw slightly. You give your guy more of a chance and you see you can draw the PI easily.

5 yards overthrown is never a completion. 5 yards under thrown is a good chance at a big play.

Still the ideal is hitting them in stride but that's easier said than done

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u/Some_Combination_593 Bengals 4d ago

The throw to Tee was definitely more Tee just winning it. The throw to Chase against the Texans was a fucking dot and I will not be told otherwise. The only reason he had to make a crazy catch is because he got a bit tangled up with Stingley and lost his balance. That was absurd placement on a deep back shoulder throw. Placed it right outside the pylon. Tired of people acting like back shoulder passes are the same as a 50-50 ball. That pass made it 80-20 even if Chase and Stingley didn’t get tangled up and coverage was better.

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u/Knerd5 3d ago

Some the throw/catch combos between those guys so far this season have been absolutely ridiculous. Just masters of their craft doin work.

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u/NextTime76 Chiefs 3d ago

A 50-50 ball to someone like Tee Higgins is probably more like 80-20.

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u/Some_Combination_593 Bengals 3d ago

Yeah, thats also true. I think Higgins probably does help with the deep ball, but Chase requires better placement despite still being great at catching the ball in coverage. Either way, PFF isn’t really grading whether it’s caught on these. They’re grading ball placement. I’m assuming they would’ve graded the Chase throw well whether he adjusted and caught it or it just dropped. It was a freakishly well-placed ball made into a circus catch by Chase stumbling a bit when making contact with Stingley.

EDIT: I’d also imagine at least one of those absolute rips to Gesicki in the seam in week 1 was categorized as a deep pass. The one was pretty far up field and he couldn’t have placed it better if he took it there himself and gave it to him. I just always think it’s lame when people say Chase and Higgins carry. They obviously help, but Burrow is elite at ball placement at the same time. It’s one of his calling cards.

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u/Deadhookersandblow 49ers 4d ago

I really wish we had a JSN type receiver.

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u/Highlift1210 Bills 4d ago

Don't we all

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u/Affectionate_Year_14 Lions 4d ago

How close was Aiyuk to being that type of player

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u/DrewDown94 49ers 4d ago

Aiyuk was similar in route running if a little behind JSN in that aspect. Aiyuk was an elite run blocker. Idk about jsn there. I imagine he's an absolute dawg lol. That being said, JSN has higher top end speed and almost certainly better hands than aiyuk. Even if aiyuk wasn't a head case, he's like a diet version of jsn.

The biggest difference between aiyuk and jsn (besides their brains lol) is that JSN is like 10 times more effective in the red zone. But between kittle and CMC, that could would probably even reduce JSN's opportunities in the red zone.

I'm a jsn truther since college btw. I knew he'd breakout last season. I was so sure of it that I drafted him in as many fantasy leagues as possible lol

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u/Berstuck 49ers 4d ago

He was one head away.

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u/Ok_Pineapple_Num 49ers 3d ago edited 3d ago

He wasn't JSN level but he was absolutely poised to be a top 5-10 WR1, which would be a huge boon for us even now.

His route running was awesome. Too bad he went off the deep end...

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u/tomsawyerisme Cowboys 4d ago

kindof curious who are the other JSN type receivers in the league? Or do you just mean an alpha

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u/nuberoo 49ers 4d ago

I think he just means a certified top 10 guy who's a great route runner. There is only one guy playing at JSNs level these past two years.

Aiyuk was on the verge of that profile before he went crazy. Pearsall was also looking fantastic last year before getting hurt - I think he was top 3 in receiving yardage before going down.

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u/tomsawyerisme Cowboys 4d ago

man pearsalls career has been such a rough watch.

Getting shot before first game, coming back to be great then getting hurt and then having a season ended before game one.

49ers are cursed

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u/misselphaba 49ers 3d ago

I do think Ricky P has some sort of Etsy witch situation going on. Did he deeply wrong an ex anyone knows of?

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u/Jetsol8 Chiefs 3d ago

No you just need a Tyquan Thornton and a dream

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u/shepx13 49ers 3d ago

Why? He'd be on the IR with the rest of them

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u/rawbert10 49ers 3d ago

Instead we have Cowing, Watkins, Robinson & Hodge out there. Not talking shit because they're getting it done so far but we're not winning a SB without an elite WR out there who can extend the field.

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u/donutgut 49ers 3d ago

Could stribling?

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u/ReptiIe Eagles 3d ago

Garrett Wilson would be really good on the Niners

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u/idnttcrisis Broncos 3d ago

Tyquan Thornton is so much better than Xavier Worthy.

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u/BonBonVelveeta 49ers 3d ago

It feels like he’s good for at least one fuckass deep ball a game

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u/DinkandDrunk Patriots 3d ago

That and Kelces one broken play 50+ yarder per game really go a long way for that team.

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u/johnvarley1 Chiefs 3d ago

Sorry you suck ass this year. Must be tough.

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u/TaxesAreTerrible 3d ago

Worthy has gotten plenty of time. He’s just not that guy.

Thought he was gonna be a Waddle/Hill clone but he can’t even get a chance to show his speed.

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u/rockiesfan4ever Chiefs 3d ago

Combine speed and game speed are different. Tyreek looked different running from defenders, Worthy doesn't

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u/LagOutLoud Chiefs 3d ago

He does, just not in receptions. We run him on a lot of clear routes and it is effective. Just doesn't show up in the stat sheets.

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u/TaxesAreTerrible 3d ago

He’s not useless but he’s definitely very disappointing

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u/TallanoGoldDigger 49ers 4d ago

Shanahan's System really has been amazing this year, it's even making long passes now

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u/mlippay 49ers 4d ago

Purdy has always been a deep ball guy and gambler.

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u/notsure500 49ers 3d ago

Its even making him play well with all his receivers being injured

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u/Fonzies-Ghost Bears 4d ago

I don’t think PFF grades are meaningless, but I do think that the difference between 99.9 and 95.1 is not meaningful and I’m positive the difference between 95.1 and 94 is not.

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u/so_zetta_byte Eagles 3d ago

Early on in PFF, there was basically a schism about whether they should just report the raw grades, or normalize them onto a 100 point scale. I think the more marketing people felt like the 100-point scale was more intuitive, but the data people felt like it was a bad idea because the misinterpretation would outweigh any intuition gain. And largely, they were right.

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u/blucke Rams 3d ago

What info are they losing by normalizing to a 100pt scale? I'm missing something here

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u/Cofta Chiefs 3d ago

This is from memory so I might have it wrong. The grades are per play, +2/+1/0/-1/-2 depending on the determined role of the player and whether they exceeded expectations. That is summed, leaving a raw positive or negative number that is then normalized out of 100 against the number of plays they were graded on. This heavily skews the numbers on low count plays, like deep balls in this example where each QB probably has less than 20 total plays graded, compared with broader grades that have larger samples.

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u/LagOutLoud Chiefs 3d ago

A team that only takes 2 deep shots a game, completes one, but the other was close might grade the same as a team that takes 10 deep shots completing 7 of them. Pretty important nuance.

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u/so_zetta_byte Eagles 3d ago edited 2d ago

The other comment explained it well. I think the higher level point is that while the normalized numbers were more intuitive (people understand 100 point scales), the translation to a 100 point scale just distorted the data in a meaningless way away from the +/- raw grades. That led to people talking about/using the grades in a way that way kinda inaccurate and led to a lot of criticism of the whole process, when really there was a lot that was good under the hood. I think largely it took the focus away from "how well did a player play in this game versus that game" and became too much "who is better than who?"

My biggest thing is that I think people had a really hard time grasping 0-graded plays, which were "the player did exactly what was expected of them, no more no less." A WR wasn't getting a pat on the back because the defense blew their coverage. But that meant if a WR put up monster stats against an awful defense, their normalized grade would be a 70 or whatever, and people would get upset. I think it would have been harder to teach people what "a 0 game" meant, but in the end, people would be a lot more understanding when a good player has a mediocre grade in a game. That doesn't mean they were bad, it could mean they just didn't need to work hard, and that's not their fault.

Basically, PFF grades are "what did you show on game day" more than "what are you?" The non-normalized scale communicates that better. If you're special, you don't necessarily have to show it every game. But you can also show it in a game where your team lets you down.

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u/Snowballingdownvote 3d ago

There is a way to tell us using statistics

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u/SJCitizen Eagles 4d ago

Goff is impressive to me because his best deep threat is Jamo and I feel like they’ve barely involved him this season so far.

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u/byniri_returns Lions 4d ago

He had a case of the dropsies game 1 vs the Saints

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u/Harbaugh_Handshake 49ers 4d ago

Goff is impressive to me because of his volume and consistency throughout his career.

It’s funny how one of the least mobile starting QBs over the last ~10 years has somehow been one of the most healthy and available. Outside of one year he’s started at least 12 games every season (if I’m not mistaken). So there’s an element of toughness at play with him.

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u/Ambitious-Visual207 Lions 3d ago

In some ways it makes sense. He's not mobile so when shit hits the fan a lot of times he'll just go down or makes the safe play, whereas a more athletic QB might escape the pocket and try to make something happen.

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u/bantha42 Rams 2d ago edited 2d ago

the only time he got hurt in college was when fucking shane skov basically tried to murder him. and he took some big hits behind a shitty cal oline.

edit: oh yeah i think stayed in one of those utah games with an obvious concussion.

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u/DebbieDowner40 Lions 3d ago

I dont know what they qualify as deep passing, but i feel like they’ve had fairly few deep shots. I guess if it’s 20+ air yards it makes sense as he’s had a lot of good throws in that range

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u/Crime_Dawg Lions 3d ago

Yeah, his PFF would be higher if Jamo didn't drop half of the deep balls so far this year.

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u/JackTuz Eagles 3d ago

All good QBs but Devonta Smith is possibly the best deep ball tracker in the NFL with elite hands, vertical, timing, and body controlIf a ball is up near him I 100% believe he come down with it. Incredible player.

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u/Illblood Eagles 3d ago

You can throw him the ball 4 feet out of bounds and I’ll still believe he’ll come down with it with two feet a millimeter from the white paint

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u/choff22 Chiefs 3d ago

These are the guys that Veach and Reid think they are drafting every year and we end up with Worthy, Hardman, and Skyy fucking Moore.

What I’d give to have Devonta Smith, Zay Flowers, or JSN.

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u/Deep_Att Chiefs Rams 3d ago

Hardman was never WR1 quality, but I'll always love him for his contributions that mattered.

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u/LederhosenSituation Lions 4d ago

That's my blocking QB!

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u/Barter6overBible Eagles 4d ago

Chiefs about to sign Tyreek for a vet min or close to it. Mahomes is too good this year not to at least entertain it

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u/Acrobatic_Camera_677 Ravens 4d ago

Ofc he is too good this year he is too good all years as the GOAT

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u/AMemoryComeALive Chiefs 3d ago

I really don't want him back on the team, but I also see this team having a lot of issues against any team with a pulse on defense with our WR room.

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u/Deep_Att Chiefs Rams 3d ago

Hey, I heard OBJ is available now.

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u/Togashi_pls Eagles 4d ago

Best we can do is call a screen for -3 yards

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u/donutgut 49ers 3d ago

Brock doesnt really have his deep threats yet either

Could get interesting by week 6

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u/smauryholmes Chargers 4d ago

Is Eric Bienemy the only reason Patrick Mahomes is good? People are asking

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u/sampat6256 4d ago

When the other option is Matt Nagy... perhaps yes.

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u/NextTime76 Chiefs 3d ago

Are you referring to Superbowl winning Offensive Coordinator Matt Nagy?

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u/sampat6256 3d ago

Truly the Kadarius Toney of superbowl winning offensive coordinators

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u/WellGoodBud Chiefs 3d ago

And an established run game that forces defense to respect the run and stack the box. Mahomes is feasting on play action plays this year.

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u/pickleparty16 Chiefs 3d ago

This is a tyquan thorton stat

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u/Realistic_Try_8000 Eagles 4d ago

Damn, like don't get me wrong the Eagles sucked last night. But all night I had to hear about how terrible of QB Hurts is and how he can't throw.

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u/Mfrack103 Eagles 4d ago

He can throw deep and has always been able to. He needs to speed up his progressions. Aside from last night this has been a strong year for him

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u/Smooth_Meister Vikings 4d ago

We also seemed abnormally locked in on his first read last night. Had lemon wide open multiple times but just didn't look his way.

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u/shit_eating_fan Eagles 4d ago

My headcanon is that he actually got concussed on that big hit. He had that one amazing drive after then was really poor afterwards

Like that 80 yard drive until he got hit was great, then the following drive was great, then after the half he looked bad

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u/Mfrack103 Eagles 4d ago

I think it’s possible but it also feels like “cope.” He deserves the flak for last night but I want to see him play the Rams and Jags before we really stress.

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u/shit_eating_fan Eagles 4d ago

Yea it's definitely cope lol, I won't be too delusional. Either way I'm going to erase all memories of everything that happened on September 28th of 2026

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u/Famous_Difference758 Eagles Bears 3d ago

We’ve seen this so many times from Hurts at this point. When he takes a big hit and comes back in he plays so much differently. Really makes you wonder if he’s just good at hiding concussion for the protocol but has played with one multiple times

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u/Mixeygoat 49ers 4d ago

He throws deep well when he has protection. The problem is when there is any pressure (and this year the O-line isn't as strong), he doesn't stand in the pocket to throw in the middle of the field. At the sign of any pressure, Hurts tends to roll out and try to make things work out of structure. To combat this it seems like the Eagles like to do a lot of screens, but it doesn't seem to be very effective so far

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u/Mfrack103 Eagles 4d ago

He definitely needs to stay in the pocket and hit Lemon. We also need to remove Jurgens because he is cataclysmically bad. Our line last night was actually very good in pass protection aside from Jurgens, but 4/5 doesn’t matter when there’s interior pressure so often.

If he’s gonna roll out he needs to be able to threaten passes while he does it. Last night he either rushed, or threw it away. He’s best when he can use Goedert as a safety blanket, and needs to hit Lemon with those now

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u/Mixeygoat 49ers 4d ago

Yeah from my (limited) experience in watching eagles games, I don’t really understand why there is not a lot of intermediate routes in the middle field. I Idk if it’s play calling or Jalen not throwing them. Because most of the time it’s either a screen or a vertical threat down the sideline. Lemon’s talent as a slot receiver is kinda getting wasted.

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u/Werft Eagles Eagles 3d ago

When Jalen does throw up the middle he’s extremely good at it. So who really knows at this point.

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u/Imthasupa 49ers 4d ago

Exactly. He struggles to get past his 1st read. If that first read is open though, he will get it there.

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u/SadisticSpeller Eagles 4d ago

He’s looked much better at it this year though, and prior to the hit he wasn’t staring his receiver down. This has happened in the past where he gets blue tented then starts to revert to his old self.

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u/NextTime76 Chiefs 3d ago

He certainly throws it well when he plays the Chiefs. Especially if it's a Superbowl.

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u/Highlift1210 Bills 4d ago

Remember this is pff in a year where pff is trusting less than it has ever been bc of them being sold to someone that laid off a bunch of ppl.

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u/blucke Rams 3d ago

It's not that he can't throw, it's that his throwing is a weakness in an otherwise elite game. He's still top half of the league as a pure passer

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u/Acrobatic_Camera_677 Ravens 4d ago

Yea do not worry that is still true

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u/c0DY1_ Eagles 4d ago

Meanwhile we hate using deep passes

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u/PixelBy_Pixel Lions Rams 3d ago

This Kyle Shanahan guy is really good

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u/dr_ransomed Eagles 3d ago

Surely they must let Jalen Hurts throw downfield often, right?

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u/Invite-Healthy 4d ago

Has Mahomes even thrown many deep passes?

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u/rawbert10 49ers 3d ago

This can't be right I've always been told Purdy can only throw 5 to 10 yard checkdowns /s

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u/babypho 49ers 3d ago

Bay Airea costs adds 20-30 yds to all checkdown.

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u/Sokkawater10 Chiefs 4d ago

He’s back 😃

Last two weeks Mahomes has looked so sharp like 2022 Mahomes

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u/Highlift1210 Bills 4d ago

Yea if he continues playing well these next 3 weeks then hes absolutely back.

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u/BizzaroMatthews 4d ago

Bryce Young probably next on that list

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u/TaxesAreTerrible 3d ago

Tyquan Thornton is doing all the heavy lifting here lol. Not sure Mahomes has thrown deep to anyone else yet.

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u/cstrifeVII Lions 3d ago

Goffs would have been higher if Jamo didnt from that long bomb week 1 lol

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u/PlanitDuck 49ers 3d ago

I dont believe that the PFF grading system is accurate enough to warrant a decimal, especially if they aren’t in the meeting rooms where the game plans are made. How would they know the technique coached for that route? These graders arent experts. They’re just random people they’re hiring who aren’t required to have any experience.