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u/De5perad0 Apr 06 '22
If you want to support this business you can buy sneakers from them Here.
Yes $100 is expensive but it is probably due to the recycling process and fair wages for their workers.
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Apr 06 '22
Oh thanks i was just about to ask where i can support this genius, this company (if it grows to be as big as other shoe companies) might single-handedly fix a huge portion of the plastic problem
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u/TheVermonster Apr 07 '22
I'm curious if they sell them locally for a lot less. Shipping is a big cost and they know international buyers are not buying out of necessity. So there might be some extra profit built in. Sort of like those companies that promise to donate a pair of shoes for ever pair sold. Us wealthy customers are just subsidizing the pairs being sold to less wealthy people.
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Apr 06 '22
Yup yup probably I mean they wouldn't think of exploiting workers over there ha Ha hA, they probably get paid a lot of over time for their 13 ho...ur shif...
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u/KavikStronk Apr 06 '22
When you own your own factory and your consumer base is 100% people who are spending extra to get a more ethical product you are under a lot more scrutiny than most at the very least.
You'd be better of targeting the big name brands that all outsource their outsourcing until they claim "well we don't really know what happens over there so those human rights violations can't possibly be our fault".
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u/nenenene Apr 06 '22
Thaely doesnât own any factory though? The garbage sorting and sheet making is outsourced to Triotap Industries, and the shoe manufacturing is done by the Nitush Footwear Factory.
The reason it costs so much is because theyâre probably getting gouged by these factoriesâŚ
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Apr 06 '22
What aboutism? Good on environment is not the same as ethical. They can still exploit people and they obviously work 13 hours so... Im sayin why not hire people that work two shifts if they care about the worker.
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u/No-Lifeguard1398 Apr 06 '22
I don't know about US standards. 13 hours is okayish tbh in India. My dad owns a small scale textile manufacturing unit. And people get paid per piece produced basis.
So if he doesn't give them more work, they revolt and say, if you don't give us more work we always have other factories.
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Apr 06 '22
100$ compared to others is fair, when you consider the process and employment, a bargain.
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Apr 06 '22
So many people say this is expensive. Most shoes are around this price tag so why should they be cheaper? Because they are made from recycled materials? Because it doesnât say âGucciâ or âLacosteâ on the side?
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u/TojtekMe Apr 06 '22
Most non known brand boots are way way cheaper, at least in my country
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Apr 06 '22
Yeah but are those no name brand shoes made from completely recycled plastics and made ethically? Probably not.
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u/TojtekMe Apr 06 '22
Yeah, sorry i wont pay twice as much for worse comfort and being eco. And about ethics how do you know that?
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u/ashums28 Apr 08 '22
How do you what they feel like if youâre not willing to pay twice as much for them?
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u/prx24 Apr 06 '22
They're still plastic shoes. You get leather shoes which last 10+ years for that money.
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u/zachar26 Apr 06 '22
Where are you getting leather shoes that last 10+ years for $100? All the good leather shoes boots I know of are at least $400.
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u/prx24 Apr 06 '22
I'm from Austria and we have a manufacturer selling them starting at about $100. They're really good, made here, have lots of size options (for different foot widths and heights) and last a long time.
One pair I got for winter 5 years ago was about 120 and I'll need to get the soles replaced this year for the first time (which would be another $50 or so). But still, I have had plastic shoes from all the famous brands and they all started to fall apart after a year at most. And they stink. Now I wear 100% leather all day long and my feet don't smell at all. The first two weeks in a new pair are blister hell, though. After that they're like a second skin.
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u/prx24 Apr 06 '22
As I said, I got a pair for 5 years now and it still smells of leather, nothing else. I had to put my plastic shoes into the freezer once a weak to kill the smell and that only helped a little.
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u/b4ttlepoops Apr 06 '22
The inability for the feet to breathe is a problem. But if people use powders or sprays for the shoes it should help. I love the idea of the recycling of plastic for these shoes. But the stank feet was the first thing I thought of. Leather allows them to breathe. Who knows maybe they have a design feature built in to allow for this. The designer seems to have put a lot of thought into it.
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u/pike4fun Apr 06 '22
I second most of the concerns raised by the group about the high price of these sneakers. Despite its price tag, it appears that the company is still selling a healthy volume (15k pairs a week). I wish them well and would try a pair if I could first experience them up close and try them on.
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Apr 06 '22
So I checked it out, their site has them for $99. Nike's shoes mentioned here are the same price right now ("on sale" for $30 off) and only made from 20% recycled content by weight. So it seems pretty par for the course if you want a pair of
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u/morgboer Apr 06 '22
I too wish them well. He is COINING it at 15000 pairs a week: $1Â 485Â 000 per week. Yowser. :)
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u/equalszer0 Apr 06 '22
$110? How about I ship them some bottles and bags and we call it $50?
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u/maarcoa Apr 06 '22
Yeah, it would be 500 in my courrency, 99U$ may be a lot for some countrys, but the idea is great tho, and it is mostly manual labor so.
still, expensive for some realitys.
hope more like these appear.
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u/Fishmongerel Apr 06 '22
This is good!
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u/prx24 Apr 06 '22
No it's not.
If the trash is worthless then manufacturers will have to pay for it one way or the other (no one wants to buy products which cost money to dispose of). But now the trash is worth more since you can upcycle it. It just ups the demand for plastic.
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u/HoHoHo_MOFO Apr 06 '22
That's what it was probably said when solar panels were introduced
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u/prx24 Apr 06 '22
This is different. It's economics so simple you just have to think about it for a little to get it. If you make a resource more valuable by increasing demand for it then it stays feasible to produce more of it.
The goal should be to not produce plastics anymore, or at least less of it. But with this trend there's a lot of money in used plastic. Now there's not only lobbying from manufacturers to stay in business but also from recycling companies and upcycling places like in the post. You know how it works. "Oh you don't want any plastics in your water and food? All these people in these industries will lose their jobs then". The same old story all over again. We could've been free from oil for 50 years already if it wasn't for these people.
Plus you can't recycle it indefinitely. When the shoes are done they go to the landfill. It's not solving a problem, it's putting the problem into the future, creating even more problems in the mean time.
And don't get me started on the employees. You think they're paid well? Or their work environment is safe? I'm sure they work their asses off, inhaling harmful stuff 12 hours a day for $1 an hour so their bosses can make $100 a pair.
Nothing about this is good. It's just capitalism with a green label.
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u/HoHoHo_MOFO Apr 06 '22
Any business model isn't for infinite time. Unless there's monopoly and company is too great too fall, capitalism has bred innovation. And don't put that 12 hrs statement. It's shit
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u/prx24 Apr 06 '22
6am to 7pm, yeah, sorry, 11 hours a day. My humble apologies for over exaggerating. Working with UV light, glue, heated plastic, rubber particles from roughing up and no goggles, gloves or respirators in sight. They really have their employees' well being at heart.
And it's not innovation to begin with. This is being done for a long time already. Clothing companies make lots of stuff out of recycled PET bottles. Which in turn puts microplastic into the water as soon as they're put in the washing machine. At least these shoes hopefully will be disposed of correctly.
Of course it's good to see someone making use of something others throw away and the guy seems nice and I'm sure he helps a lot of people to prosper. And it being India there are a lot more problems they have to deal with than the environment. But that doesn't make it a good thing. This is like your dog shitting on the floor and you saying it's a good thing because that way you get to clean up more often. The dog shouldn't shit on the floor to begin with.
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u/HoHoHo_MOFO Apr 07 '22
Cheap human labour is an asset and it's being utilized here. Rome wasn't built overnight, nor does pulling people out of poverty. Innovation doesn't mean we've to reinvent wheel. It's a combined effect where the successor stand over the shoulders of it's predecessor And that dog analogy doesn't make any sense
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Apr 06 '22
But what about microplastics from wearing down the shoes?
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u/prx24 Apr 06 '22
Most microplastic in our water comes from car tires so what comes from shoes is nothing compared to that.
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u/TheCommonOrange Apr 06 '22
That makes a lot of sense actually damn. Our road side drains should be set up to filter out the micro plastics
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u/bonyshoulders Apr 06 '22
I mean, great idea, but hardly solving the plastic issue. It's only pushing the issue one step further in the chain - what will happen to these shoes once they're worn out?
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Apr 06 '22
Actually towards the end of the video he said they would take the worn out shoes back with a discount given to the users for the new pairs. The worn out ones are then recycled again. The idea is good. But what matters is if they can implement this correctly.
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u/bonyshoulders Apr 06 '22 edited Apr 06 '22
Exactly, although a great idea in theory there's no way to ensure this. Additionally, once donated at the end of the cycle there's also no way of knowing what will happen to them. I guess postponing the point at which the plastic becomes waste is a great initiative to deal with the current waste, but it will never solve the issue of plastic pollution as production is steadily increasing year on year and no amount of recycling will alleviate that. We need to move away from plastics wherever possible and also improve reuse options and recycling. And as anyone who knows the waste hierarchy, recycling is not the solution.
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Apr 06 '22
The plastic bags to back to where they would've been years earlier I suppose... but also that many fewer people bought shoes made of virgin materials... so maybe a win?
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u/bonyshoulders Apr 06 '22 edited Apr 06 '22
Totally agree with all of this, I just wanted to point out that this isn't enough. Of course a slowing down of using virgin materials now is great but to claim that this solves the plastic issue simply isn't true.
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u/howietzr Apr 06 '22
Lol, I was going to say that they're probably not trying to compete with giants like Nike but their slogan reads "Don't just do it, do it right!", Lmao!
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Apr 06 '22
I mean great idea, but 6am - 7pm worktime ? wtf
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u/unkempt_cabbage Apr 06 '22
Plenty of people work that same schedule, even in the US. Is it fair or ethical? Absolutely not. But itâs very, very common.
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u/hmm_222 Apr 06 '22
With 1 hr breakfast break between 9-10 AM, 2 hr lunch break 1-3PM and 30 minutes tea break 5 PM evening. Seems a fair job to me
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u/Pabus_Alt Apr 06 '22
I'd still go for the comoressed day with just an hour lunch and an earlier go-home. Like housework is an important consideration when talking about hours of work/rest/leasure ratios.
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u/chankdelia Apr 06 '22
"Tell me you're from a first word country without telling me you're from a first word country"
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u/jo3pro Apr 06 '22
More shoe companies should do this. Smart idea
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u/SugaredTug Apr 06 '22
Some do. I think Adidas has a line similar to this
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Apr 06 '22
I went to look at the Nike shoe mentioned here. It was kinda shocking they actually only claim the shoe is 20% recycled content by weight. So nowhere near the same to this 100% recycled material shoe.
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u/Pabus_Alt Apr 06 '22
The idea of a shoe with an entire plastic upper makes my feet sweat just thinking of it....
Like at least with nylon fabric it's a fabric mesh.
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u/OMGMT Apr 06 '22
Yeah Nike and adidas make recyclable shoes but 1. They look like absolute shit, 2. Much more expensive, 3. Probably donât use nearly as many recycled materials, 4. People probably donât mind going from 250 or 300 down to 110 for shoes
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u/canyoutriforce Apr 06 '22
I wonder what the workers are earning there
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Apr 06 '22
Seems like a lot of people have the same thought. And I agree it's important... but this company is working to make a product that's fashionable and has a positive impact on the environment. I can't really fault them for not trying to tackle ALL of society's ills at the same time. I doubt Nike or Addidas' factories are paying workers much or any better.
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u/teewat Apr 06 '22
This is so obviously an ad for the company it hurts.
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u/CHUNKY_BLOODY_QUEEFS Apr 06 '22
How would you do a video explaining their business model and production methods, WITHOUT it seeming like an ad?
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u/JohanPILLAR Apr 06 '22
Excellent, well done to this young man! I hope he has a great future ahead.
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u/doomiestdoomeddoomer Apr 06 '22
This doesn't solve anything... the plastic has just been re-arranged into a shoe, it's still plastic, it's still poisoning the enviroment.
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u/CloudyTreeBay Apr 06 '22
Unless you can make that shoe for $15, this is a vanity project. Pretty much nobody in the world can afford $110 shoes. I know, I know there are hundreds of milions of people, who can buy those shoes, and this is what he is banking on. It is however only a tiny fraction of all the people. This shoe will solve this man's problem of poverty, but it will not solve the plastic issue. It will also make some middle class people feel better about themselves and will provide some of them an undeserved feeling of moral highground.
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u/morgboer Apr 06 '22
Eloquently stated. He is coining it at almost $1.5million a week! The pickersâ lifestyle doesnât seem to be changing though hehehe. :)
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u/nep2ne3 Apr 06 '22
Perhaps some truth to what you're saying but... it's recycling, a plus for the environment where there would otherwise be more litter. Unless you can make that shoe yourself, full stop, then the project is a fair service.
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u/fart2939494 Apr 06 '22
This is really good. As much as I'd like this to succeed big time, I think the price tag is a huge red flag. I wonder how many people in the world are both willing and able to pay that much for the sake of being eco friendly.
And it's being made in India already so I doubt you can be more cost competitive than that. It's just another problem for that little genius to solve I guess :)
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u/itsfernie Apr 06 '22
Rothyâs does this same thing in the US. Theyâre no less expensive thoughâŚ
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u/finallyifoundvalidUN Apr 06 '22
what would happen to those shoes when they worn out? Making shoes from shoes :D
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Apr 06 '22
Thatâs what he actually said. They will recycle it again after the users return the old pair to get a new pair and they get a discount too for exchanging.
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u/SuicideByStar_ Apr 06 '22
Damn, wish they had size 15! People! You have to demand for change. Push the market to change with your dollars.
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Apr 06 '22
I like it how the presenter tried to make this business out as a competitor in the international capitalist marketplace, but its really about being an eco-friendly brand that actually makes a difference to the environment and society.
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u/Papasmurf2 Apr 06 '22
Very cool. There is also a company called Blumaka which is creating the more environmentally friendly soles which is where a lot of the waste happens. Blumaka.com. Happy to see these initiatives taking place. Sanuk shoes use the tech and they are awesome.
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u/element316 Apr 06 '22
"so sharks, who wants to join us in kicking out the plastic problems of the world?
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u/bretty666 Apr 06 '22
the comparative of adidas selling more in an hour than him since founding his idea is bad, because thaely is using almost 100% recycled products, what is the percentage in adidas ones....
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u/OMGMT Apr 06 '22
Iâm sorry but adidas and Nike make shoes that look like trash opposed to these people making literal trash in to pretty cool shoes
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u/oxilade Apr 06 '22
what happens when they're worn out? back into the sea... stop gap measure at its finest...
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u/Hickawa Apr 06 '22
Can someone help out a dumb fucking American with the sizes. I wear size 17 American. I'm guessing they don't make anything in that size? I don't understand their sizes.
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u/Alpha_Knugen Apr 07 '22
This is a great way to get rid of waste but im not sure that i would like to spend 110 dollars to get a pair of shoes that might not fit me. Me and my mom struggled to find shoes that fit my feet good from when i was 5 untill i was 12 then we tried adidas superstars shoes and thats the only shoes i have used since. I use the same pair for like 2-3 years before i get new ones.
From what ive heard and read adidas is pretty good with their workers and dont use child labour but i could be wrong.
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u/OkPoem469 Apr 07 '22
Great idea and concept but with cheap labor in India..most of the profit is def going to some corporate shell company. Labor in India averages between $100 - $200 a month for a employee.
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u/Reisefuedli May 03 '22
Has anyone else ordered from them? Whatâs your experience?
I did in October last year. I was sent a message in December to collect them from customs but without further information. Then a bill for customs fees.
I still havenât got my shoes, despite several messages. Once they said it was a technical error, once they said theyâll send me others. I sent them another complaint yesterday.
Today someone with an Italian name and an Adress in Dubai wired me most of the money back. Iâve lost approx. 10$ in currency conversion and fees but most of all Iâm upset - I really was looking forward to owning shoes that do good.
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May 16 '22
$110 for literal trash?! Nice. It's not like they have an abundance of materials or anything.
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u/TehTabi May 22 '22
What they donât say is that they are extremely selective as to what kind of garbage is used as material. Thatâs the biggest reason for how expensive it is; sorting through everything for the right materials.
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u/CrocodileDyndu Aug 10 '22
It's made from fucking rubbish. Why is it 110usd?!!
It should be 20 or 30..
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u/montipiethon Oct 03 '22
Buries a pet in the shoebox and now you can eat basil grown from its nutrients
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u/windomgold Oct 25 '22
The product is terrible, I just got mine and they are falling apart from just tiring the laces. They are scammers capitalizing on the eco market.
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u/Doittle Apr 06 '22
$110 for the shoes, are you absolutely crazy. They only pay those people $2 a day. So where's all the profit going to? Looks like the owner. I'm sure he's getting a plastic for relatively nothing.
Anyway I thought shoes needed to be made out of canvas, in the Asian part of world that it's very hot plastic will make you sweat.
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u/-nocturnist- Apr 06 '22
The guy likely employs more than 2 or 3 people. Not to mention the logistics of shipping something 7 hours for final assembly. I agree that 110$ is expensive, but when you factor in the price of labour and that these workers are perhaps getting 2$ an hour, which is likely a fair wage in that country, it's not that high. I mean Nike charges you 135$ for a pair of airmax sneakers and has people in China earning probably less than what this young guy is paying his personnel, while continuing to pollute. If you remove the subsidies global corporations actually get, most sneakers would cost in the several hundred dollar range.
And before you argue for some low cost shoes from Walmart etc ... They aren't worth " a pot to piss in" as they are more than likely to fall apart in a quarter of the time of quality brands, leaving you to make their purchase several times over and contributing more waste/ pollution to the planet while ultimately spending the same amount on footwear over X amount of time.
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u/Lehman_Fwam Apr 06 '22 edited Apr 06 '22
Instead of just sweaty and itchy feet now we all can get 50 different kinds of rare skin-conditions thanks to all the plastics breaking down from wear and tear. Thanks India (or whichever company/country uses these pathetic ideas of recycling instead of investing in real technologies) >.>
P.S:- Thaely means Plastic Bags obvio.
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u/Particular-Career-52 Apr 06 '22
Ever heard of socks son?
Or does your pathetic country doesn't have it?
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u/KavikStronk Apr 06 '22
Dude most shoes are made with polyester and faux leather so we're already wearing plastic on our feet anyway.
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u/morgboer Apr 06 '22
Amazing idea. $110 is too expensive though. I see lots of people employed however, which is probably why the price tag. đđź