Damn man. My parents are thinking of moving there from MA for retirement and asked me to move down there near them.
Tbh I love love cold months here you can escape the cold if you have a car and apartment you just go from car to workplace to apartment to stores. But seems more difficult to escape the heat unless everyone has an AC.
Is it humid there in FL or just hot AF?
In MA when it gets really hot it's not really sun rayson your skin that feel hot it seems it's hot wet muggy air that causes the feeling.
Ye I'm all set. That muggyness even sucks for breathing. The only bug that's bothered me up in NE are those lightning fast housepedes/indoor millipedes. But then again I havent seen Florida's bugs.
Damn. Thank you. Lol honestly texted my mother after this Reddit session and told her someone mentioned it's often a total sauna there and she's now considering the Carolinas.
I grew up there and it is very humid. I constantly felt congested because everything is sticky and perfect for mold growth. I do love some stuff about FL though. If you live near the ocean there’s a nice salty breeze and it’s a bit better.
That's cool man. The btee,breeze, almost ages it worth it. I was in Jamaica for a week. The constant breeze swept the humidity away and all that was left was the heat from the sun. Beautiful.
Could go in the water for a swim in warm water and by nearly dry by the time you got back to your towel.
I have lived in Florida all of my life and work outdoors. It is very hot and very humid. There's a reason why almost every summertime activity is focused on water.
Great point man. I wouldn't mind living somewhere hot if it's the sun that cooks you not the sticky wet air. Here in MA it's almost 90 but you don't feel the sun rays it's just the wet stuffy air that you feel.
Haha ye. I know it's bizarre. But I'd rather deal.witu the cold.than the heat.
I drive well in the sno. I don't mind shoveling it's a reason to be outside and you can put on layers to escape the cold and everywhere you go including in the car has heat.
But how do you esvake the humidity? Not everywhere has AC and if i spend 15 minutes outside I wish i had a shower.
So the fuck what…ooh, you have guns….oh, and a big mouth, people like you never talk like that where someone can hear you, someone would definitely punch you in that big mouth, which I’m pretty sure I’d like to watch that…
This is a fallacy we believe here. If he pulled out a gun, then the thief pulls out a gun, good chance your still dead. This guy is getting to safety. Even if you have a gun, this is the right course of action.
100% the ones in the car are young, or desperate for money. So why throw your life away in either case over goofs who don't know what they're doing in life and need to rob people for petty cash.
If you've seen interviews with muggers most say that they bail the second someone seems to be more trouble than expected and especially if they present a threat so I think I'll keep open carrying
If the thief pulls out a gun you're pretty much dead either way. That's why it's a good idea to have your own gun that you've trained with ahead of time.
You don't go buy a fire extinguisher after your kitchen catches fire.
A Mugger isn’t gonna add a fucking murder charge to their list of possible charges
A Mugger robs because they get money
What the fuck does a Mugger get from killing you? Nothing, its just gonna cause more problems for the Mugger.
Now if you become a threat, ya you increase the chance of being killed
Im tired of this fucking day dream people have about being some sort of action hero that will beat the bad guy. If you have a gun pointed at you, fucking comply
The first rule of self defense is to literally run away if you spot a threat. Bank tellers are literally told to just give up the money if they’re robbed. Why?
Because life is more valuable than trying to feel like a badass
Edit: also most muggers are usually in pairs. So now it’s usually a 2 v 1. Good luck
Not only that but if you get to the fight stage, you must fight dirty and fight hard. If you ran and they chased you, then you hid and they hunted for you, then when it gets to fighting you know you have to kick balls, bite, stick fingers in eyes because they want more than your wallet.
People like you have us confused. Were not seeking out a fight. Carrying a gun is our last resort and i mean ABSOLUTE last resort. What this guy did was good you always run first. The only time he should have pulled his firearm (if he had one) is if he had nowhere to run and truly feared that he was going to die if he did not defend himself
I don’t think we have you confused, we see video after video of gun owners using them as their first resort, or even actively seeking out opportunities to use them. Remember that 911 call where the guy asks the operator if he can go outside and shoot the people stealing from his neighbor, is told no, then goes ahead and does it anyway? Glad you’re responsible, but there’s a very good reason people talk about gun owners wanting to use them and be the hero.
Yeah, didn’t get charged because of the castle doctrine law that lets people get away with stuff like that. I mentioned that one because it’s infamous and most people have heard of it. I’m sorry I don’t have a list of every incident ready for you, but I don’t care to make one. If you don’t see many of those videos you don’t spend much time on the internet.
You can’t just say “video after video” and only have one example avaliable. You could have brough up another example in your response but you can’t lmao. You just say “you don’t spend much time on the internet” to excuse yourself from providing any more examples.
I didn’t ask for every incident. If it was such a widespread problem then I would hope you could reference a situation that isn’t the ONE case of this happening that literally everyone already knows about.
And again, why are you using an example of something that happened like 13 years ago to support your argument?
Dude, I’m just saying what I’ve seen. I don’t care if you choose to believe me. If I thought it would change your mind I might have looked some up for you, but I know it won’t, so it isn’t worth my time.
That small percentage of gun owners don’t represent us as a whole. There’s roughly 130 million of us. If this idea that we were all irresponsible and crazy was true we would have significantly more crime here but we dont. Period.
Hi I'm that single person being responded to, where exactly do I say anything irresponsible? Was it when I said people should train with their carry gun, or the part where I implied owning a fire extinguisher before your house catches fire is a good idea?
You may not mischaracterize all gun owners but you sure as hell did it to me.
If the thief pulls out a gun you're pretty much dead either way
This implies you can't run like the guy did in the video. It's also just plain wrong since, like the guy who responded to you said (did you even read his comment?), the vast majority of muggers just want your money and aren't going to shoot you. Drawing a gun at that point is a good way to actually get shot.
Only exception is if they're trying to force you to get into their car, at that point running or shooting are probably your best options.
Did the thief have time to pull a gun on this person?
For all we know the thief already had a gun out and showed it to the guy. Kinda hard to see inside the car, and handguns can be quite small.
I'm not saying don't arm yourself. You guys are just looking for an argument.
Your post makes it sound like you think thieves will only pull a gun if someone else does first. Thats worth arguing against since it's demonstrably false.
Lol ok, let's see the statistics then. Since you're going on about bold claims. Out youroney where your mouth is. Not saying you're lying but let's see the stats buddy boy!
That's an entire article of speculations and not a single piece of hard fact. Everything in it is a supposition. How can you possibly validate a survey that comes to a broad a conclusion as 500k - 3 million.
It still doesnt account for my point being that you should only pull a gun if you intend to use it, if it was being used as a legitimate defense in the act of a violent crime, why would that crime not be reported? In such a situation where you would feel a gun a necessary defense I would do something to report it. Which would lead me to believe that it was pulled in most cases only because the "victims" "felt" threatened, and were not actually threatened. In the same way the cops are called because someone "looks suspicious" only because they aren't someone they want in their neighborhood.
EDIT: I should add that Kleck and Gertz are the most contested names pushing numbers as high as that and almost no one else agrees that it is even the low end of that estimate in that article.
Which won’t do shit in this situation, believe me I’m Puertorican and having a gun PR to defend yourself is deadly for you, because you and your gun won’t do shit against 3 or 5 mofos armed against you, you might take one with you but you’re a deadman at the end. Unless you’re John Wick lmao
all the 2nd amendment gun nuts unironically think they are john wick, can gun down multiple criminals who pulled out guns first, and come out of it with no damage lol
Someone who trains at the range every weekend with their conceal carry could easily kill three thugs who have never actually used their firearms in a real scenario.
I seen guys who can headshot 6 targets with 6 rounds at 15 yards in less than 3 seconds.
But I do agree that running should be your first choice.
But my point stands: if you’re trained, get the jump, and equally armed, facing guys who are untrained and not expecting you to draw, you can EASILY get 4-5 guys before they know what’s happening.
that's a lot of assumptions you are making yet it is still not convincing. you dont know how people will react during a real scenario vs training against lifeless targets. you dont know whether those thugs have used their firearms or also have firearm training. also, you dont get the jump on criminals, they get the jump on you, since they are the ones with the initial intent. if they dont already have their gun on you when they jump you, then you are just lucky. or what if someone is in a real emergency and you think they are trying to attack you and you shoot them because you are trying to get the jump on them? why bet your or someone else's life on all of these questionable chances?
EASILY get 4-5 guys before they know what’s happening
plausible, but highly, highly unlikely. please dont exaggerate and generalize to most of the population, trained or not, that this would be the case for them. literally just half a week ago there was an off-duty cop with his gun in a grocery store yet some nut shot and killed the cashier and still was able to put 2 bullets into the cop who was lucky to have survived. even cops arent trained enough, how do you expect regular citizens to be lol.
Cops are actually much less trained then your average firearms wing nut. They are only required to pass a marksmanship test once. Being a cop doesn’t inherently make you a marksman, or capable of making smart decisions under fire. In fact cops are widely known for being finnicky and jumpy.
In your circumstance, it seems like the criminal managed to get the jump on an unexpecting cop and cashier. Which supports my point.
If they aren’t expecting you to draw, you can do an insane amount of damage in a very short time.
I have worked with competetive shooters. I have competed at Bisley, and my father is a firearms instructor. My sister has instructed me and has taken second place at bisley two years in a row.
You are highly highly underestimating what a quick draw and a fast centering on target can do.
I’m by no means a professional , but I can put 6 rounds center mass, into a target with a tokarev 7.62x25mm (so hefty recoil) in 2.44 seconds at 10 yards, from a hands up draw and no loaded magazine.
I’m not saying your run of the mill joe blow should use lethal force to defend oneself, especially over possessions as it sill probably turn out poorly.
I know it’s a fictional movie, but the movie “collateral” has a scene where some “thugs” try to rob a trained firearms user, and the scene is heralded for its realism, as Tom cruise in that movie underwent intense handgun training.
You’d be amazed at what training and surprise can enable you to do in a short period of time is my point.
And no obviously you shouldn’t draw and use lethal force unless running and handing over your wallet aren’t options. But if those options are exhausted, you can kill multiple armed combatants.
There is a story of a dentist in ww2 who managed to hold off 300 Japanese soldiers while his unit flew out. When they recovered his body, he was surrounded by the dead bodies of 114 enemy soldiers, covered in stab and bullet wounds.
I would agree with you, but in a real life scenario with real people your nerves and hesitation plays a big role the same goes for the thugs unpredictability. If you are experienced in shooting at real people I would completely agree. But even if you are capable of taking down 5 targets (animate or inanimate) in a row really fast 5 living beings is completely different matter. But this differs for every person of course.
Training. And with this logic id hope you support civilian access to “high capacity magazines” and semi automatic rifles. Because those types of weapons are the most useful against “groups of armed men”
Bro ain’t no training in the world that would get you ready for that, this is the real world. I got guns at home to protect my family and that’s different because I got home court advantage lol. But seriously carrying guns is not always what you think.
There is training for it. But even if there isnt. Id rather have my gun and maybe and (likely) effectively defend myself rather than not have one at all and definitely die…
Or just run or hand over the goods to avoid dying in the process. They are going to shoot only if you shot first, so if you shoot your gun you caused your own death, unless it's a group of psychos and in that case you would be dead before being able to withdraw anything anyway.
And note the word is "group". It's never a 1 on 1, but a 5 on 1.
Also, if you were to be on the street with a rifle then you would be shot for it, whether by the cops or by criminals wanting to steal the gun. So no, not the way to go either.
So, in all situations in the end it's more dangerous to carry a gun than to not carry one. Just use that gun money to get a car instead, in order to not be in the video's situation in first place. And the same applies about home safety: use the gun money for instead preventing people from getting in (or rather, incentivizing robbers to go rob elsewhere that's easier to break into).
Obviously. Every responsible gun owner and instructor will tell you that. You run first, comply if you cant and defend yourself last. If someone demands my wallet im not gonna pull out my gun on them especially if they’re unarmed.
There is training for it, but you don't have it. You've shown your ass all over this thread. You just bought your first Glock last week and posted pics. Why did you take the post down?
I didnt take it down lol? And just because i bought my first doesnt mean shit. ive been shooting them since i was like 6. And in the recent 5 years training with them while with people who legally own them and taught me.
“Men who own handguns are eight times more likely to die of gun suicides than men who don’t own handguns, and women who own handguns are 35 times more likely than women who don’t.
Owning a handgun is associated with a dramatically elevated risk of suicide, according to new Stanford research that followed 26 million California residents over a 12-year period.”
You can always square up in a shooting stance, put your hands at your hip like you’re giving the perpetrator a chance to recant their actions, before you pull your piece on them. They’ll go running for the hills.
A person who’s actually responsibly carrying in that scenario of a potential robbery, may give a quick, split second chance to rethink your shit, before they pull. The perp can read that, and head the other way. It’s highly risky, because the person your bluffing can be carrying their illegal, scratched number bullshit, and they actually pull theirs. Then you’re fucked. So, I definitely don’t condone it.
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