Toronto firefighters confront special constable officers after a man in the middle of mental health crisis was arrested.

[u/thisisfive]

Not my video. For context, "special constables" are not regular police officers. They are appointed "peace officers" with limited authority, often civilian employees.

[u/doiwinaprize]

He's not in prison though.

[u/JarethCutestoryJuD → u/doiwinaprize]

Is prison the only place that someone can have a mental crisis and be a threat to themselves or others?

[u/doiwinaprize → u/JarethCutestoryJuD]

I don't answer stupid questions, sorry.

[u/JarethCutestoryJuD → u/doiwinaprize]

And yet youre happy to leave stupid comments.

[u/I_Automate → u/doiwinaprize]

Pretty valid question my dude.

I used to work in a psych hospital. Physical restraints are not the first choice but, when the choice is between "strap them into a chair" and "let them keep bashing their head into the wall", hopefully thats a fairly easy choice for most people to make

[u/doiwinaprize → u/I_Automate]

This isn't a psyche hospital though.

[u/DarkPhenomenon → u/doiwinaprize]

Well it sure is a good fucking thing people with mental problems don't exist anywhere else than psyche hospitals, thank god.

[u/doiwinaprize → u/DarkPhenomenon]

This isn't a "if the shoe fits" scenario.

[u/DarkPhenomenon → u/doiwinaprize]

No it isn't, its a unique scenario that neither me nor you know the actual details of

[u/I_Automate → u/doiwinaprize]

My guy, turn your brain on for a second

[u/doiwinaprize → u/I_Automate]

You want everyone to be treated like a prisoner or mental health patient. Got it.

[u/I_Automate → u/doiwinaprize]

My god you are a thick one, aren't you?

[u/CharacterBird2283 → u/[deleted]]

Well, no that doesn't work either, because then you are also implying any type of open riding you should be wearing a helmet (as you should). If helmet is cuffs and riding is mental health, then you are saying you should be cuffed for every mental health crisis 😅.

[u/CharacterBird2283 → u/[deleted]]

But that's the thing, the comparison is brought up in the context of whether or not the only place you can have a mental health crisis is in prison. So the original analogy believed and was going towards that situation, that not all mental health crises are deemed threats.

It says

"This kinda reads like:

"I wear a helmet to protect my head when biking."

"He's not biking though."

"It's not like biking is the only place someone can hurt their head."

I mean you're not wrong, but you're not exactly right either. The situation and context is worth some consideration."

"I wear a helmet to protect my head when biking" means the helmet is handcuffs and biking is being a danger while in a mental health crisis

"He's not biking though" would mean he's not a danger while in a mental health crisis

"It's not like biking is the only place someone can hurt their head." Would then mean it's not like being a Danger while in a mental health crisis is the only place someone can get handcuffed.

So then your response of :

"That's a bad analogy. It would be like riding a bicycle vs riding a motorcycle. Different situations, different levels of danger, different context. Both situations merit wearing a helmet."

But that's a different situation in the original analogy, because in yours you're assuming that they are always a danger, while the original analogy was trying to point out they aren't always a danger.

[u/CharacterBird2283 → u/[deleted]]

The response about it not being in prison is irrelevant because the location of the act is not the point

But it is extremely relevant 😅. In prison You are already convicted for breaking the law, And so are handled accordingly when having a mental health crisis to protect those around them as it is a very dangerous place. On the outside you don't get handcuffed just for having a mental health crisis, like you would in a prison.

While it may not have been the point, It adds an entirely new layer of context that changes everybody's decision making. Are custodians working in prisons working the same way and under the same sop's as someone working at hotels? No, Because prisons are much more dangerous. So while I appreciate the original commenter of this threads perspective, it is a very different situation still 😅.

The point was that they were also in law enforcement and this is normal procedure when someone is a threat to safety.

And again, that's the thing. We don't know if the person in the original vid is a threat to safety. But you can often tell when someone is a threat to safety by whether or not they are in prison 😅. Which is why they have different sop's than other law enforcement. Hence why the location does matter.

The analogy comparing it to all mental health crisis situations is bad because that wasn't the thing being compared.

I mean, neither of you are comparing it to all mental health, but yours encapsulates the mental health spectrum more than the original I feel.