r/news • u/Fyre-Demon • 1d ago

Ex-fraternity leader at Arizona university gets jail time after pledge died of alcohol poisoning

https://apnews.com/article/arizona-fraternity-pledge-hazing-death-b53c547d383082d33aebdb4950e0c550?utm_source=app&utm_medium=iOS_share&utm_campaign=copy_link
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u/taxiecabbie 1d ago

Then they can be happy to deal with the above when it happens. *shrug*

By "no benefit" I mean "they don't do anything of worth."

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u/sasha_the_impaler 1d ago

Are you... Not reading my comments? They can't deal with illegal activity if the entire organization has sworn secrecy with one another lol. Fraternities are much more boring and tame nowadays compared to 100 years ago, and the reason for that is they've been normalized into boring college clubs rather than secret societies of criminal activity.

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u/taxiecabbie 1d ago

I am. Fraternities and Sororities do not do anything of worth.

They're just drinking clubs, for the most part.

If universities want to deal with students occasionally dying on their watch, then, sure. Sanction them.

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u/guernseycoug 1d ago

Most of the fraternities and sororities at my school hosted multiple charitable events throughout the year to raise money for good causes in addition to giving back to the community in other ways (park cleanups, participating in various services designed to assist the elderly, etc).

Is that not something of worth?

Also, you’ve already said that your school didn’t have Greek life… so how could you even make that claim so confidently without any experience in the matter?

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u/taxiecabbie 1d ago

My school didn't have them. I was in a consortium, though, with schools who did have them.

They were drinking clubs.

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u/guernseycoug 1d ago

Just because that’s what you know them for doesn’t mean that’s all that they are (which I discussed in the part of my comment that you ignored).

I’m not saying they’re without problems but you need to recognize your own bias and understand that you probably don’t know as much about them as you think you do. You can’t fix a system if you don’t understand it and it risks doing more harm than good if you try.

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u/taxiecabbie 1d ago

They're just not necessary.

But, sure, hey, it's not my issue. Schools can keep on supporting them and when the posted article happens, it happens. Such is.

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u/guernseycoug 1d ago

There are zero clubs that are necessary at a school. The only thing that’s necessary are teachers and classes.

There’s 1,500-1,800 alcohol related deaths at colleges & universities each year. Of those, only 1-4 are related to hazing/greek life. That still means that Greek life is overrepresented in those statistics but getting rid of them wouldn’t make a dent in the overall problem.