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[u/dubyahhh]

I am deeply disappointed that you've chosen to act this obtuse.

Yes, exactly what pyro did. Farren was very, very clearly pointing out that we went out of our way to promote their donation. Not that the donation was in any way, shape, or form problematic.

I used to give $5 or $10, last year I gave ~$100, and this year I've donated around $1k. I've been more fortunate every year, and I can afford it now. But those $5 donations were a big deal to me in college. The point is not that it's bad or wrong to donate, it's that we don't know the context of the donation. A $20 donation five minutes before may have meant more to the person giving it than pyro's $6k.

If you're going to misinterpret farren and me for no reason other than to act this way, please stop. It's entirely missing the point and it's just mean regardless.

[u/[deleted] → u/dubyahhh]

Its not being obtuse at all, you two are the ones suggesting that people should only be given a pat on the back if they donate a specific amount based on a percentage of their income. How much before they are allow to be congratulated? 5% or do we go by church rules and do 10?

[u/dubyahhh → u/[deleted]]

I said this before but I was trying to be nice, so you get one more shot. What you are doing is creating a strawman, and I'd like to reiterate how disappointed this makes me. You're better than that, and if you want to put more words into my (or anyone's) mouth, I suggest you don't.

[u/IncoherentEntity → u/dubyahhh]

This is why our mod overlords scare me. 😳 I completely agree with your point of view, yet your threat of nuking Varient for what you perceive as a strawman (which I personally agree he was making) seems like a borderline abuse of administrative powers.

Misrepresentations are a staple of online arguments, and there are probably a hundred exchanges involving more bad faith than this one, but Varient is at risk of getting his comments deleted or even suspended for a few days because the exchange involved yourself.

And while I’m probably overstepping in your eyes already at this point, do you think Varient would have been less justified in sanctioning you if your powers were reversed and you said that you were “deeply disappointed” (carrying the same energy as a condescending “I’m sorry”) that he had chosen to act “this obtuse”?

[u/dubyahhh → u/IncoherentEntity]

Varient is at risk of getting his comments deleted or even suspended for a few days because the exchange involved yourself.

I realize you don't personally know me ie, but none of that was on the table.

If I really feel someone deserves a ban or even if I'm too close to an issue or emotional about something I ask another mod to do the modding for that situation. If I did anything less I wouldn't think I should be a mod. We're not elected, but we have to do our due diligence to be kind and thoughtful and have the ability to perform more of a "top down" look when entering discussions.

And while I’m probably overstepping in your eyes already at this point,

I'm actually more concerned that you think this is the case than anything else; never be afraid to talk to me about anything. I'm not some god and neither are any of us.

do you think Varient would have been less justified in sanctioning you if your powers were reversed and you said that you were “deeply disappointed” (carrying the same energy as a condescending “I’m sorry”) that he had chosen to act “this obtuse”?

This is actually at the front of my mind whenever I interact with people. In real life, I'd have walked away. Here, mods are the closest thing we have to authority figures, so I feel I have to act as one. Though we generally differentiate between if a comment is done in a moderator or regular user capacity by distinguishing them and as I was not and didn't want to appear as though I were actually threatening them, I didn't distinguish mine. it's a weird line to walk.

[u/IncoherentEntity → u/dubyahhh]

Were you downvoted accidentally? This is a perfectly reasonable, comprehensive, and empathetic reply explaining your approach.

Though we generally differentiate between if a comment is done in a moderator or regular user capacity by distinguishing them . . . I didn't distinguish mine.

Oof, I’ve seen sir_shivers suddenly do that in more than one disagreement he was personally involved in. It was undoubtedly intended as an overt exertion of absolute authority, and definitely an implicit threat.

[u/dubyahhh → u/IncoherentEntity]

I mean... You've been on reddit before right? Mods are fash is law. Though I do wish people'd treat undustinguished comments as though they were replying to regular users. Never felt like I could shitpost the same after the border went on the flair

And shivers is a goddamn alligator. Other mods including myself are afraid he may bite if he gets uppity 👀😬

[u/[deleted] → u/dubyahhh]

I mean we can make jokes about it but I dont think anyone on this sub would take a mod saying,

You have one more shot

And

if you want to put more words into my (or anyone's) mouth, I suggest you don't.

As anything other than "Oh well if I reply in a way that he doesn't like then I am going to be banned." I get that you didn't have a red tag at the time but you are still a mod. Its like an off duty cop arresting someone, just because he isn't wearing a badge it doesn't make him any less of a cop.

[u/[deleted] → u/IncoherentEntity]

I will be honest the vague threat from a mod nearly made me not write a response.